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[monahco]

Now that we won the Super Bowl time to look at next season. We have a lot of free agents and this draft will be very important. It's too early to know who we will resign but it's fun to guess. Who do you think we will draft first and who will we resign?
I think we saw how important the LT is and I think if Lane Johnson is there we take him in the 1st Rd.
I also think we find a way to keep Ellerbe and obviously Flacco. We try everything to keep Kruger but somebody offers more money. Let Cary Williams go. Just to name a few.

[Johnwilson]

I say 1st round pick will be Lane Johnson(only if he starts to fall in the 20 because i see it this way Rams need OL but they need RT so Fluker to them and WR Patterson. after that it will be LB and DLine that will go but if the bears get a LT in FA then i see him falling to us because the teams in the playoffs mostly had a LT and a RT so i guess we could get him andhe will be the francise LT for years to Come) but FA wise i see us keeping( flacco our course, Pitta, Ellerbee and Reed(cheap rice 2-3 year contract with about 15 millon) i could alos see kruger back for less money but everybody else i see moving on.

Edited by Johnwilson, 06 February 2013 - 01:10 PM.

[Sizzlebshu]

Now that we won the Super Bowl time to look at next season. We have a lot of free agents and this draft will be very important. It's too early to know who we will resign but it's fun to guess. Who do you think we will draft first and who will we resign?
I think we saw how important the LT is and I think if Lane Johnson is there we take him in the 1st Rd.
I also think we find a way to keep Ellerbe and obviously Flacco. We try everything to keep Kruger but somebody offers more money. Let Cary Williams go. Just to name a few.

I say 1st round pick will be Lane Johnson(only if he starts to fall in the 20 because i see it this way Rams need OL but they need RT so Fluker to them and WR Patterson. after that it will be LB and DLine that will go but if the bears get a LT in FA then i see him falling to us because the teams in the playoffs mostly had a LT and a RT so i guess we could get him andhe will be the francise LT for years to Come) but FA wise i see us keeping( flacco our course, Pitta, Ellerbee and Reed(cheap rice 2-3 year contract with about 15 millon) i could alos see kruger back for less money but everybody else i see moving on.

Lane Johnson will not by any means end up falling to us. We will have to trade up to get him. I dont see him falling past 11. It would take a miracle (which I think we've used up given this season)

[monahco]

It's too early to call it impossible. I've seen him fall to us in 1 mock draft in 1 Mock Draft already and seen him not drafted in the first round in a couple. This stuff happens. Anyways if you don't think he'll be there who will and who should we get?

[GrimCoconut]

It's too early to call it impossible. I've seen him fall to us in 1 mock draft in 1 Mock Draft already and seen him not drafted in the first round in a couple. This stuff happens. Anyways if you don't think he'll be there who will and who should we get?

I think it's too early to really say. Nobody's stock is in stone. Joeckel could tear a pectoral and drop to the 2nd for all we know. But here's my own personal LT rankings:

1. Fisher
2. Joeckel
3. Johnson
4. Faulk
5. Armstead
6. Nixon

[Miami Hurricane]

I think it's too early to really say. Nobody's stock is in stone. Joeckel could tear a pectoral and drop to the 2nd for all we know. But here's my own personal LT rankings:

1. Fisher
2. Joeckel
3. Johnson
4. Faulk
5. Armstead
6. Nixon

Is this based on when they will be drafted or potential/ability?

[GrimCoconut]

Is this based on when they will be drafted or potential/ability?

No, not where they will be drafted. It's my list of prospects I feel are the best at their respective position. I have some concerns about Joeckel, that's all. I don't see a big difference between him and Fisher after looking at both prospects really closely. I think Joeckel goes before Fisher, but I think Fisher is the better value and I would trade down if I had a shot at Joeckel to get Fisher & pick up another pick, because I don't see a big drop-off at all.

I think Faulk is a 1st round talent in all honesty, but I think those injuries of his drop him into the 2nd. I think he can be a good LT, possibly elite. Armstead, I feel, is a better prospect than Nixon but that doesn't mean I dislike Nixon. I think Armstead would be higher if he went to a bigger school. Nixon has a lot of potential but needs work, which I think Castillo & Moeller may be able to get out of him because of his physical measurables.

[Brandon22]

No, not where they will be drafted. It's my list of prospects I feel are the best at their respective position. I have some concerns about Joeckel, that's all. I don't see a big difference between him and Fisher after looking at both prospects really closely. I think Joeckel goes before Fisher, but I think Fisher is the better value and I would trade down if I had a shot at Joeckel to get Fisher & pick up another pick, because I don't see a big drop-off at all.

I think Faulk is a 1st round talent in all honesty, but I think those injuries of his drop him into the 2nd. I think he can be a good LT, possibly elite. Armstead, I feel, is a better prospect than Nixon but that doesn't mean I dislike Nixon. I think Armstead would be higher if he went to a bigger school. Nixon has a lot of potential but needs work, which I think Castillo & Moeller may be able to get out of him because of his physical measurables.

Thats why I see Us Getting Xavier Nixon

[Miami Hurricane]

No, not where they will be drafted. It's my list of prospects I feel are the best at their respective position. I have some concerns about Joeckel, that's all. I don't see a big difference between him and Fisher after looking at both prospects really closely. I think Joeckel goes before Fisher, but I think Fisher is the better value and I would trade down if I had a shot at Joeckel to get Fisher & pick up another pick, because I don't see a big drop-off at all.

I think Faulk is a 1st round talent in all honesty, but I think those injuries of his drop him into the 2nd. I think he can be a good LT, possibly elite. Armstead, I feel, is a better prospect than Nixon but that doesn't mean I dislike Nixon. I think Armstead would be higher if he went to a bigger school. Nixon has a lot of potential but needs work, which I think Castillo & Moeller may be able to get out of him because of his physical measurables.

I agree with the fisher over joeckel pick I just would have put Faulk over Johnson. The rest is pretty much spot on and where would you put Ricky Wagner?

[GrimCoconut]

I agree with the fisher over joeckel pick I just would have put Faulk over Johnson. The rest is pretty much spot on and where would you put Ricky Wagner?

I'd probably place Wagner after Nixon. He's OK. He needs work, and I am not sure he can be a tackle. His footwork, lateral speed, & athleticism aren't that impressive to me. I studied him pretty closely because people kept talking him up around here, and I'm just not impressed with him. I think Nixon offers more as a project than Wagner. I see Wagner as the second coming of Jah Reid.

If we trade Oher and get Wagner as RT, then it might be OK. But I can't see us using Wagner as a LT, as I think that's setting him up to fail. I just think Armstead will be there in the 3rd or maybe the 4th, and I wouldn't mind taking him there than taking Wagner or Nixon. Right now, my top-2 LTs are Armstead & Faulk due to value, potential, & starting ability.

Thats why I see Us Getting Xavier Nixon

Yeah, but his potential depends on the coaches to get it out of him. I think it's possible, but I would only take Nixon if Armstead or Faulk were off the board. He's not at all a bad prospect. He's good and I agree with you that he could be a good fit here.

Let me say this, because I think this will help people understand my opinions on these guys. I see Faulk as a Whitworth, Armstead reminds me of Albert. Nixon reminds me of McKinnie.

Edited by GrimCoconut, 06 February 2013 - 03:26 PM.

[Bruce_Almty]

No, not where they will be drafted. It's my list of prospects I feel are the best at their respective position. I have some concerns about Joeckel, that's all. I don't see a big difference between him and Fisher after looking at both prospects really closely. I think Joeckel goes before Fisher, but I think Fisher is the better value and I would trade down if I had a shot at Joeckel to get Fisher & pick up another pick, because I don't see a big drop-off at all.

Your opinion on Barrett Jones. I like his smarts, size (goldielocks), versatility (including LT) and overall athleticism. I think he would be a great 1st round selection and finish off our o-line needs.

[GrimCoconut]

Your opinion on Barrett Jones. I like his smarts, size (goldielocks), versatility (including LT) and overall athleticism. I think he would be a great 1st round selection and finish off our o-line needs.

Jones is an enigma. He could possibly be a good LT, then again it could blow up in our face. He's a little short but out of all the prospects I feel he has the best technique. What he lacks physically he makes up for with his technique. That's good and bad, because he could very well be NFL-ready, but bad because I think he may be reaching his potential. I think he's definitely a player to consider, since he can play any position on the OL and that's extremely valuable.

Another prospect to watch that is projected as a guard is David Quessenberry, but he may be able to play LT as well.

Honestly, I think there's more talent at LT than people give credit to around here. There's risk in every pick. For all we know, Jones could be the second-coming of Cordy Glenn. Cordy Glenn was projected as a RT or guard, but he started at LT and did really well there. I wouldn't be surprised if Barrett Jones, David Quessenberry, or even Dallas Thomas could be the next Glenn.

[Cville-Raven]

Thats why I see Us Getting Xavier Nixon

dude you see us drafting like everyone

[black blood purple passion]

lol theres 40 prospects people are calling top 15 picks. Its all relative, let someone have their opinion.

[monahco]

lol theres 40 prospects people are calling top 15 picks. Its all relative, let someone have their opinion.

good point. this early it could be almost anybody. every year somebody falls to us that we didn't think would be there in the first or second. the point of this topic is to see who everybody would like us to get that has some sorta shot at being there when we pick. I think we all agree the tackle positions is a huge need after we saw how big of a difference McKinnie mad

[black blood purple passion]

good point. this early it could be almost anybody. every year somebody falls to us that we didn't think would be there in the first or second. the point of this topic is to see who everybody would like us to get that has some sorta shot at being there when we pick. I think we all agree the tackle positions is a huge need after we saw how big of a difference McKinnie mad

yeah I'm saying be reasonable, the top 10 is fairly easy to pick out but even then you never know. People are also making assumptions based on mock drafts they've seen, and mock drafts vary wildly.

But there were only 2 tackles taken in the first round last year, saying Lane Johnson is a top ten pick is bold, and to insult someone for thinking otherwise is just rude. Let people discuss thats what forums are for (not that im saying you've personally stifled any conversation yourself)

[ravensdan]

I laid out a scenario addressing each left tackle needy team where johnson could fall to us in a different post, it is also a possibility to try to trade in front of chicago. The key point to keep in mind is other gms don't think like the ravens and the teams perrenially picking at the top do so for a reason.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't know if LJ is worth a 1st. I might get some flack for saying this, but I feel like the FO likes where we are with guys and will roll with what we have. I'm starting to think a tackle is overrated in today's NFL with the interior line prospects being able to compensate for average tackles. I think you can get away with average tackles now. If the interior line holds up, the pocket remains intact.

I don't know. I just think the Ravens are going to make people upset and not take a LT again early. I think they roll with what they have & don't reach for anyone. I think LJ is a bit of a reach because I don't personally see him as NFL-ready. I guess we'll see, though.

[Yatagarasu]

Lane Johnson is going to be gone by the time we pick.

LT class is not very deep and half of them are gone in the first half of the first round.

We could've had a shot on Johnson if Lewan and Mathews decided for the draft.

[Sizzlebshu]

I don't know if LJ is worth a 1st. I might get some flack for saying this, but I feel like the FO likes where we are with guys and will roll with what we have. I'm starting to think a tackle is overrated in today's NFL with the interior line prospects being able to compensate for average tackles. I think you can get away with average tackles now. If the interior line holds up, the pocket remains intact.

I don't know. I just think the Ravens are going to make people upset and not take a LT again early. I think they roll with what they have & don't reach for anyone. I think LJ is a bit of a reach because I don't personally see him as NFL-ready. I guess we'll see, though.

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