Cary Williams

[Free Agent]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1360295808' post='1349918']
Again, we are assuming Webb will be able to start week one; however, how long will it take him to get his legs back after major knee surgery? So, if Cary is gone, can you go with Webb who is not 100% out of the gate [b]and [/b]Smith/Graham/Brown at the other corner?
Now, what happens if whoever starts opposite Webb gets injured or dinged up? [b]That is why[/b] [b]I want to keep Williams.[/b]
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A valid point, but again, Cary is going to want the big bucks. Someone is going to give them to him, and it won't be us.

And even if Webb isnt ready to go, I would be fine with Jimmy and Graham starting. Graham has proven he can be a starter for us, and a very good one. And I really feel that Jimmy is on the verge of breaking out.

I'm completely fine with letting Cary go. He is very overrated, and he wont deserve the money he will surely be asking for.

[baltravens]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1360340134' post='1350289']
A valid point, but again, Cary is going to want the big bucks. Someone is going to give them to him, and it won't be us.

And even if Webb isnt ready to go, I would be fine with Jimmy and Graham starting. Graham has proven he can be a starter for us, and a very good one. And I really feel that Jimmy is on the verge of breaking out.

I'm completely fine with letting Cary go. He is very overrated, and he wont deserve the money he will surely be asking for.
[/quote]
Think of this: J. Smith at one corner and Graham at the other. Honestly, how confident are you playing in a game?
If Cary wants too much let him fly, but try to resign him to [i]reasonable [/i]contract terms. I am standing by wanting him here next year.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1360343793' post='1350348']
Think of this: J. Smith at one corner and Graham at the other. Honestly, how confident are you playing in a game?
If Cary wants too much let him fly, but try to resign him to [i]reasonable [/i]contract terms. I am standing by wanting him here next year.
[/quote]

I would be just as confident as I would be if Cary was at one corner and Graham was at the other, as was the case this year.

Cary is really overrated.

[baltravens]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1360355147' post='1350557']
I would be just as confident as I would be if Cary was at one corner and Graham was at the other, as was the case this year.

Cary is really overrated.
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I forgot, man, Webb will be back at corner, but I sure would like to have some insurance if the price is right for Williams because he already has valuable starting experience on our D. I contend if we do not get more consistent pressure on opposing QB's next year, having fewer experienced and go-to DB's really could hurt us.

[shootyoup]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360172556' post='1347782']
Okay, I'm going to probably give a very different opinion than most around here. This is a completely unbiased opinion of Williams.

He is a CB who is a very good man coverage CB. He struggles in zone because he relies a lot on his physical attributes like height & arm length to compensate for technique. He can hold his own but doesn't have elite speed so struggles against fast receivers. He is also a very good press corner as well. To maximize his potential, he needs a defense with an excellent pass rush. He can cover for a few seconds but can't be relied upon for longer than that. His hands, while previously suspect, are getting better. He is good at deflecting the ball moreso than intercepting. He will often play the receiver and not the ball, which can lead to completions.

He tends to play off of WRs to prevent the YAC in our system. It's hard to say whether that was by design or skill. I would say both, considering he doesn't have the speed to keep up with a Megatron.

Overall, an excellent CB as a football player.

However, with that said, he has some big issues. One, he has a chip on his shoulder. It's both a pro and con. It's a pro because it pushes him to get better. It's a con because he could be subject to personal fouls in the wrong environment. He needs a strong locker room because he could potentially cause problems as you saw with the fight and close ejection. This isn't his first time getting close to an ejection.

Williams has a hard time controlling his emotions and let's them get the best of him. If he goes against a very smart WR he can be burned quite easily due to impatience and his temper.

He is best in a man-coverage secondary with a very good FS over top of him. I think the Vikings would be a good fit for him. The Colts could be if they get some nice OLBs. The Chargers would be a good fit or even the Patriots.
[/quote]I'd say this is pretty spot on, but I don't think he struggles as much with speed receivers. He gives up a lot of intermediate passes of 15-20 yards, but I have rarely ever seen him beat deep. When he matches up against Wallace when we play Pitt or Lloyd in New England, he keeps them in front of him relatively well even though he himself is not a speed guy.

[shootyoup]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1360181082' post='1347980']
Which behind the bench was this?
[/quote]I'm pretty sure it was against the Browns, in the game in which he didn't have an interception (not sure if home or away). He had reason to be upset with Lewis though. He had excellent coverage and played the ball perfectly, but the receiver was able to get a hand in there and swat it away to prevent an INT. Basically he turned the wideout into a corner, and I think Lewis was upset thinking he had dropped a pass.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='shootyoup' timestamp='1360355761' post='1350580']
I'd say this is pretty spot on, but I don't think he struggles as much with speed receivers. He gives up a lot of intermediate passes of 15-20 yards, but I have rarely ever seen him beat deep. When he matches up against Wallace when we play Pitt or Lloyd in New England, he keeps them in front of him relatively well even though he himself is not a speed guy.
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Well, I think he gives up those yards because he plays so far off WRs because he cannot keep up with their speed. He can't be at the LOS or 5 yards off because if the WR has a quick first step they can get behind him rather easily. He has to play 10 yards or so off because of this flaw.

[omar586]

We all know that ravens players don't have success once they leave the ravens. So memo to reed, do what Ray did once he was free agent. Teams will overpay for Krueger & Williams, like past former ravens.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='BucsFan5' timestamp='1360130085' post='1347406']
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3]First of all, Congrats on winning the Superbowl. I already posted it in the other thread, but I figured I'd post it again here so people don't think I am a Ravens hater after reading this.[/size][/font]

[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Anyways, I want to hear Ravens fans thoughts on Cary Williams because he is a Free Agent this year and the Bucs desperately need CB's.[/size][/font]

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(204, 204, 204)]From what I have seen, he seems like he's a decent CB, nothing special, but not awful.[/background][/size][/font]

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(204, 204, 204)]However, is it just me, or is Cary Williams one of the biggest jackasses in the league? And I noticed this before the Superbowl. Earlier in the year, I always saw him in the middle of scums and he constantly would run his mouth after the play was over. [/background]

[background=rgb(204, 204, 204)]He should have been ejected after he pushed the ref, they cut him a big break. I don't know if anyone else noticed either, but after that, there was a play on the sideline where Williams was trying to break up a pass and when he ran out of bounds he shoved a camera guy into the ground unnecessarily extending his arms and didn't even acknowledge that he did anything. Didn't help the guy up or even look at him, and just walked back to the huddle.[/background][/size][/font]
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My opinion - he's an average starting corner in this league. He won't get you a lot of interceptions, and certainly he's not going to shut down most number one receivers in this league, but with a decent pass rush he can be very effective. He's not worth what he's probably going to want from us, and with the depth we have at the corner position we're likely going to let him hit the market. But he is a starting caliber cornerback, no question about it. If your team signs him for the right price, he'll be worth it.

[Ravens2013ornothing]

I think he is overrated. He will be let go as another team picks him up especially now that he has a ring and his value goes up. I think people forget that during all the way up to half the season he was getting burned and eaten up by wideouts. He got some good play in when our defense improved, because the rush is what predicts the coverage.

I know carry williams will be let go, because Ozzie knows.
Ladaruis webb, will be back.
Jimmy Smith its his time now.
Graham a diamond in the ruff. Ozzie is thinking like this , and brown will be there as well.


He celebrates during the game on a play so hard, that I just laugh, and then what you get burned on the next series, dude celebrate when the clock hits 0:00 and then talk your smack.

[Ravens2013ornothing]

williams gave up 39 1st downs in the regular season and 6 more in the post season, meaning his 45 combined 1st downs were the 2nd highest of all cornerbacks. He was not a shutdown corner but rather someone the teams moved the chains on. He maybe looking for top cornerback money but teams shouldnt be thinking he is one.

I gurantee you when its all said and done Jimmy Smiths career numbers will be better than Cary Williams.


Jimmys rookie year in the AFC championship game against the Pats he played beautiful, then his 2nd year in the SB, need I say more. I will take Jimmy Smith anyday over Cary Williams, mark my words if Jimmy Smith plays a full season he will show he is a top corner.

[baltravensrj55]

Williams was a valuable asset to our bowl run. If we don't resign him (I don't think we will) then we will miss him next year. That deflected pass in the bowl that saved a TD was insane!!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='baltravensrj55' timestamp='1360405773' post='1351522']
Williams was a valuable asset to our bowl run. If we don't resign him (I don't think we will) then we will miss him next year. That deflected pass in the bowl that saved a TD was insane!!
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He won't be missed if Webb returns strong, Graham maintains his level of play and Jimmy emerges (none of which are far-fetched possibilities). Brown has potential and I see Asa Jackson surprising some people.

That pass deflection was a great play though.

[PurpleCorsair]

For a guy coming undrafted out of Washburn to suddenly be overrated is [i]something[/i]. If anything Cary is an overachiever, and for that reason I wouldn't mind if he stayed.

[bdub85]

I loved Cary, but he's going to get a huge offer from some team that needs a corner. I'm 99% he won't be a Raven next season.

[jberta1]

I think Kruger and Ellerbe should definitely be the priority. We will also be getting back Webb and a healthy Jimmy Smith, so, it wouldn't be a huge loss. I am very thankful for his contributions to the Ravens. Sure he's a hot-head, but all teams have at least one...

[Guest RBates]

Let me look at this and try to be optimistic.

Webb = back to back season ending injuries.

Smith = Not good enough, still bites hard on double moves. Dealt with injuries himself

Graham = arguably the most reliable corner we have coming into next year without Williams.

Brown = TBD

Now just how bad is Cary Williams in some of you guys eyes? SMH

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1360455620' post='1352304']
Let me look at this and try to be optimistic.

Webb = back to back season ending injuries.

Smith = Not good enough, still bites hard on double moves. Dealt with injuries himself

Graham = arguably the most reliable corner we have coming into next year without Williams.

Brown = TBD

Now just how bad is Cary Williams in some of you guys eyes? SMH
[/quote]
Webb hasn't had back to back season ending injuries. He had one as a rookie in 2009 and then in 2012. Two full seasons apart. Besides, we cant pay for Williams. He's gone.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1360456644' post='1352331']
[b]Webb hasn't had back to back season ending injuries. [/b] He had one as a rookie in 2009 and then in 2012. Two full seasons apart. Besides, we cant pay for Williams. He's gone.
[/quote] Thanks for this, i must hurry and delete. LMAO

[baltravens]

I know many of the Flock think that Cary is too cocky and flamboyant for us, but I like his emotion and passion when he plays, and that don't-back-down attitude when he faces any receiver. It is unfortunate, IMO he is just too difficult to re-sign, but darn do I hope Cary takes some less per year to remain on a Super Bowl contender.
Thanks Cary for contributing to a much-need Super Bowl win!

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1360456930' post='1352343']
Thanks for this, i must hurry and delete. LMAO
[/quote]
I got you. I know where you're coming from though, Webb is another knee injury away from not having enough ligaments in his body to reconstruct a knee with lol.

[PuRock]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1360458345' post='1352375']
I know many of the Flock think that Cary is too cocky and flamboyant for us, but I like his emotion and passion when he plays, and that don't-back-down attitude when he faces any receiver. It is unfortunate, IMO he is just too difficult to re-sign, but darn do I hope Cary takes some less per year to remain on a Super Bowl contender.
Thanks Cary for contributing to a much-need Super Bowl win!
[/quote]

He won't even back down on a ref. It's one thing to be passionate and play with emotion but its another thing when you can't ever reel it in.

[cwfRaven]

[quote name='BucsFan5' timestamp='1360130085' post='1347406']
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3]First of all, Congrats on winning the Superbowl. I already posted it in the other thread, but I figured I'd post it again here so people don't think I am a Ravens hater after reading this.[/size][/font]

[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Anyways, I want to hear Ravens fans thoughts on Cary Williams because he is a Free Agent this year and the Bucs desperately need CB's.[/size][/font]

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(204, 204, 204)]From what I have seen, he seems like he's a decent CB, nothing special, but not awful.[/background][/size][/font]

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(204, 204, 204)]However, is it just me, or is Cary Williams one of the biggest jackasses in the league? And I noticed this before the Superbowl. Earlier in the year, I always saw him in the middle of scums and he constantly would run his mouth after the play was over. [/background]

[background=rgb(204, 204, 204)]He should have been ejected after he pushed the ref, they cut him a big break. I don't know if anyone else noticed either, but after that, there was a play on the sideline where Williams was trying to break up a pass and when he ran out of bounds he shoved a camera guy into the ground unnecessarily extending his arms and didn't even acknowledge that he did anything. Didn't help the guy up or even look at him, and just walked back to the huddle.[/background][/size][/font]
[/quote]

I agree with what's already been said about his talent, but watch the tape on that scuffle...

One of the 49ers (not sure who it was) intentionally kicked - no, [b]stomped on[/b] - his back when he was on the ground and the other guy was already up. It wasn't like he "accidently" kicked him while trying to get up. Carey jumped up swinging and ooops! It was the ref. It didn't look like Carey even saw who he was swinging at. I suspect the ref saw what happened in the pile and didn't feel it was necessary to add more drama and punish Carey for what was clearly unintentional when there were already flags on both sides.

[baltravens]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1360480049' post='1352732']
He won't even back down on a ref. It's one thing to be passionate and play with emotion but its another thing when you can't ever reel it in.
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In his defense, he got caught up in the emotion of the scrum, but he should have more self-control in those instances.

[PurpleCityLights]

Graham is better, Carry does nothing but get burned up & down the field.We have more important people we have to sign other then him....

[20ravens52]

Bottom line is he gave up the second most 1st downs in the league out of all CB's. What does this tell you?

When people needed to move the chains they looked his way. The majority of his picks were lucky - right place right time.

I'll be more than happy with a Webb, Graham, Smith, Brown, Jackson secondary. Guys that can actually cover.

[rmw10]

I've always thought Cary gets an unnecessarily bad rap around here. I don't think he's the greatest CB to ever play the game, but I think he's an above-average guy who has shown some flashes of poor play and some flashes of great play. Cary, along with most CBs, benefit from a great pass rush. Remember in the beginning of the year when Suggs wasn't playing and Kruger wasn't getting to the CB? Opposing QBs had time in the pocket and a CB can only stay on coverage for so long. When Suggs came back and Kruger exploded, Cary played a lot better than the first half of the season dictated. Also add in the fact that Cary is a #2 CB and was playing #1 WRs all year, and you will definitely have a regression on what he was able to do with Webb next to him and a pass rush.

With that being said, there's no way he'll be back. He's too much and we have other guys that can hopefully step up. He'll get his payday somewhere else.

[ghost1986]

Yeah I don't want him back. I was just watching a vid on NFL Network with Suggs and the host said Cary Williams said the 49ers had a lot of fake tough guys. We already know that, but be professional, Cary.

[admartian]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1360355631' post='1350575']
I forgot, man, Webb will be back at corner, but I sure would like to have some insurance if the price is right for Williams because he already has valuable starting experience on our D. I contend if we do not get more consistent pressure on opposing QB's next year, having fewer experienced and go-to DB's really could hurt us.
[/quote]There is no sane person here that [b]WOULDN'T[/b] want the "insurance" of having Cary and the uncertainty of Webb's form.

But at what[b] cost?[/b]

The situation with Joe, Dannell, and possibly Reed, Q, Jacoby etc is just too dire and more important than this 'insurance policy'.

[Ngata Chance]

Ya,no dice on Williams. I was so sick of him being the guy good QB's picked on thus year, yet he turned down a huge contract thinking he was worth more.

No way.