The Lights Go Out. Was "The Fix" In?

[stan]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1359993235' post='1344495']
It was fitting. I will say this.. The 9ers had extra prep time thats for sure. I think it would have been a blowout of epic proportions had the power never went out!
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Amen. What does a good basketball coach do when the other team puts up 10 - 12 unanswered points? He calls a timeout to stop their momentum and let his team regroup mentally. It's psychological. It's a real mistake to think the outage did not benefit the 49ers

[antiRaven]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1359991371' post='1344410']
i'm curious to see what my flock brothers/sisters think about that "mysterious" power outage that happened right after our boys went up 28-6. Beyonce had a whole lot of electrical stuff going on in her show and no power outage then. hmmm. so what are your views on this? could "the fix" have possibly been on? lol!

~Mili
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All I can say is BS...
Last season the same thing happened at Candlestick.
What WAS fixed were the plethera of noncalls by the Refs benefitting the Ravens..
Ya want at least one PROVEN noncall that was??
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Obviously even to nonNiner fans was the story of Ray Lewis, NOT THE RAVENS, winning was a bigger for the NFL than a repeated story of an inexperienced QB winning the SB.

We will see you next year, and we will beat you

[Tank 92]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1360073740' post='1346175']
here is a link to what happen

[url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8916015/cause-super-bowl-power-outage-remains-unclear"]http://espn.go.com/n...remains-unclear[/url]
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Nothing in this article. If there had been a failure because of an aging, failing infrastructure there would be obvious evidence of that failure.

All that has been said is that the system shunt tripped and performed as designed. Nothing has been said describing the fault that triggered the trip. The longer it goes unexplained the more it points to a manual trip.

[PuRock]

Just heard a new theory that wasn't bad. Vegas loses major loot when an underdog wins the SB. The mob played their best hand to help out.

[jaege]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1360008637' post='1345036']
At this point there's not enough info to tell if this was deliberate outage or just some anomaly. But I will tell you this, I've managed large facilities for many years and if there is an outage of this magnitude you know pretty quickly of the cause. The fact that they still haven't publicized the issue is very suspicious.

Believe it or not, switchgear carrying this much power can be killed by the flip of what amounts to a light switch. That switch is always behind locked doors, but easily accessible to anyone that can get into the room. So, it is possible that an angry, wealthy niners fan(or someone who bet big $) thought to disrupt the Ravens momentum by paying a facilities person to trip the power. I know it sounds like a movie plot, but I have seen it done in a large office building as a prank.

If it was deliberate, we'll probably never be given those details. But there is no question that the outage completely deflated all of the momentum earned in the first half and by Jacoby's TD at the start of the second half. I for one await the explanation with much curiosity.
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I have worked in the maintenance field too, and it is very easy to take out the power to a whole building. Someone suggested that Vegas lost a lot of money on our prior two games since we beat the odds so well. Maybe it was not a 9ers fan but a betting man...


The kind of money that we are talking, anything could and would be done.

[jaege]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1360108763' post='1346882']
Just heard a new theory that wasn't bad. Vegas loses major loot when an underdog wins the SB. The mob played their best hand to help out.
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I was going to say the same thing.

[jaege]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1360083230' post='1346305']
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Beyonce's performance was on generator power...[/font][/color]
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If that was the case why didn't they crank up the generator and get the lights back on in less than a minute. That is how emergency power works. Takes seconds to get it back on. I know, I am in the trade.

[RavenaS]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360109674' post='1346900']
If that was the case why didn't they crank up the generator and get the lights back on in less than a minute. That is how emergency power works. Takes seconds to get it back on. I know, I am in the trade.
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From what I heard they were running on generator power. It was just only powerful enough for half the lights and emergency lights in the corridors. It couldn't power the press booth, jumbotron, coaches' radios, the credit card POS', or full bank of lights.

[funky141]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360109674' post='1346900']
If that was the case why didn't they crank up the generator and get the lights back on in less than a minute. That is how emergency power works. Takes seconds to get it back on. I know, I am in the trade.
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Not that easy

[jaege]

[size=4][quote name='RavenaS' timestamp='1360110187' post='1346909'][/size]
From what I heard they were running on generator power. It was just only powerful enough for half the lights and emergency lights in the corridors. It couldn't power the press booth, jumbotron, coaches' radios, the credit card POS', or full bank of lights.
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If Beyonce was using the generators to power her entire show then there was more than enough power to run the entire stadium. Although typically a generator system is not designed to do that. They are just designed for emergency situations. Enough light to leave the building.

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1360112313' post='1346964']
Not that easy
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I was a maintenance electrician for 15 years. It is that easy. If you pretend to be an expert it is better to have some idea of what you are talking about. Or at least make sure the guy you are talking to doesn't know more than you.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1360108763' post='1346882']
Just heard a new theory that wasn't bad. Vegas loses major loot when an underdog wins the SB. The mob played their best hand to help out.
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i heard the same thing and it makes a little more sense cause the Ravens blow out of the 49ers was in full effect UNTIL the blackout. and as someone else posted, people would have turned the channel to watch something else and then all of those companies that paid $3-$4 million dollars or more for a 30 seconds ad to be viewed by the watchers would lose major money. it's definitely food for thought imo.

~Mili

[PuRock]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1360123787' post='1347299']
i heard the same thing and it makes a little more sense cause the Ravens blow out of the 49ers was in full effect UNTIL the blackout. and as someone else posted, people would have turned the channel to watch something else and then all of those companies that paid $3-$4 million dollars or more for a 30 seconds ad to be viewed by the watchers would lose major money. it's definitely food for thought imo.

~Mili
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Who's that electrician walking out the electrical room? I think his name tag said 'Vinny'.

The mob can still pull some strings from Vegas.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1360123787' post='1347299']
i heard the same thing and it makes a little more sense cause the Ravens blow out of the 49ers was in full effect UNTIL the blackout. and as someone else posted, people would have turned the channel to watch something else and then all of those companies that paid $3-$4 million dollars or more for a 30 seconds ad to be viewed by the watchers would lose major money. it's definitely food for thought imo.

~Mili
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Problem with this theory is that a blackout doesn't exactly guarantee anything in the game changes.
SF is simply too good a team to roll over and take a beatdown without throwing some haymakers of their own.

[PuRock]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1360124115' post='1347309']
[b]Problem with this theory is that a blackout doesn't exactly guarantee anything in the game changes.[/b]
SF is simply too good a team to roll over and take a beatdown without throwing some haymakers of their own.
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True, but it couldn't hurt. The Ravens were on fire. The halftime didn't change the tides, so might as well try to cool it down some more before it really got out of hand.

I'm not buying into there being a 'Fix', I'm just enjoying theorizing. I truly believe it was an abnormality that helped make the story even better.

[flynismo]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1360124512' post='1347321']
True, but it couldn't hurt. The Ravens were on fire. The halftime didn't change the tides, so might as well try to cool it down some more before it really got out of hand.

I'm not buying into there being a 'Fix', I'm just enjoying theorizing. I truly believe it was abnormality that helped make the story even better.
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Well, the fact that halftime started off the way it did on the first two possessions just further points to the fact that a blackout doesn't mean anything in the game would necessarily change.

But I do agree that when looking back on the game, it added another interesting dimension to things

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1359991371' post='1344410']
i'm curious to see what my flock brothers/sisters think about that "mysterious" power outage that happened right after our boys went up 28-6. Beyonce had a whole lot of electrical stuff going on in her show and no power outage then. hmmm. so what are your views on this? could "the fix" have possibly been on? lol!

~Mili
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"When God's w/ you who can be against you?" Lol

Nahh they definitely didn't want to see us winning let alone OPEN UP A CAN on the Niners. I find it a tad bit funny that the Niners side of the field was dark while our side was lit. It's Bogus!

[flynismo]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360117865' post='1347145'][size=4]

I was a maintenance electrician for 15 years. It is that easy. If you pretend to be an expert it is better to have some idea of what you are talking about. Or at least make sure the guy you are talking to doesn't know more than you.
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Well that just takes the fun out of trolling. LOL!

[adam713]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1360034234' post='1345829']
Didn't listen to the song, but if you don't think things like this happen you are being naive. Where there's big money, corruption and unethical behavior are not far behind. Have you heard about the big soccer match fixing bust in Europe, Asia and Africa? Believe it, it happens.
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I have a fairly decent grasp on the reality and yes, I realize we don't live in a world of gold yielding rainbows and unicorns. Call this what you want, but right now you're perpetuating a conspiracy hypothesis (not even a theory because there's 0 to little proof).

What about these reports?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/superdome-officials-warned-potential-blackout-months-super-bowl-article-1.1255959

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/05/us/louisiana-superdome-blackout/index.html

If you have any real, tangible evidence that can prove a shred of your claims, then I'd be more inclined to take them seriously. And remember folks: correlation isn't causation.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1359991867' post='1344436']
The lights are coming on... wait... no it can't be!









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BAH GAWD KANG IT'S THE UNDERTAKER!!!
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lol

[Tank 92]

[quote name='adam713' timestamp='1360128920' post='1347390']
I have a fairly decent grasp on the reality and yes, I realize we don't live in a world of gold yielding rainbows and unicorns. Call this what you want, but right now you're perpetuating a conspiracy hypothesis (not even a theory because there's 0 to little proof).

What about these reports?
[url="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/superdome-officials-warned-potential-blackout-months-super-bowl-article-1.1255959"]http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1255959[/url]

[url="http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/05/us/louisiana-superdome-blackout/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2...kout/index.html[/url]

If you have any real, tangible evidence that can prove a shred of your claims, then I'd be more inclined to take them seriously. And remember folks: correlation isn't causation.
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Not sure what you are saying here. Neither of those articles presents any evidence of the cause of the fault that caused the system to shunt trip. There's just as much evidence that this was a purposeful act as there is evidence of an accidental event.

I'm not making any claims, merely pointing out that if there were a major infrastructure failure that caused the issue it would be quickly apparent and also pointing out that it is very easy to manually shunt trip a switchgear system of this type. It's my opinion that the longer the cause is not publicized the more likely it is the loss of power was caused by someone manually tripping the system.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1360124115' post='1347309']
Problem with this theory is that a blackout doesn't exactly guarantee anything in the game changes.
SF is simply too good a team to roll over and take a beatdown without throwing some haymakers of their own.
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This is true, not a guarantee. But the outage conveniently robbed all of the momentum away from the Ravens.

Think of a basketball team being down by a large margin and the opposition hits consecutive three pointers. What does the coach do? He calls a time out to try to slow the mo. This outage equated to a 34 minute timeout!

[runamuk]

Two things are certain one.Beyonce's show was NOT run off a generator . after two full days not one valid reason given and that usually means "they" would rather not share the reason. it doesn't pass the smell test not from any angle.

[funky141]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1360124996' post='1347331']
Well that just takes the fun out of trolling. LOL!
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If he thinks it's that easy, he wasn't much of a electrician. There could be hundreds of things that went wrong for a building that size for the lights to go out. This is not your backyard garage.
Does the so called 15 year electrician know they just spent 600,000 million in upgrades this past year. Maybe something was missed, something that know one knows, a fluke thing, or the mob, but I really don't care but to say it was "just that easy" is just nonsense.
And the post above, yes Beyonce;s show WAS run on generators as "reported in the press"..

[gotekiraven]

Enough with the power outage conspiracy. How soon people forget that the 49ers came back on the Falcons after being down 17-0 at the half just two weeks ago.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1360154201' post='1347537']
If he thinks it's that easy, he wasn't much of a electrician. There could be hundreds of things that went wrong for a building that size for the lights to go out. This is not your backyard garage.
Does the so called 15 year electrician know they just spent [b]600,000 million[/b] in upgrades this past year. Maybe something was missed, something that know one knows, a fluke thing, or the mob, but I really don't care but to say it was "just that easy" is just nonsense.
And the post above, yes Beyonce;s show WAS run on generators as "reported in the press"..
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Wowee - that's a lot of money.

[jaege]

I was not an electrician. Nor do I work in a back yard garage. I was a maintenace electrician, which covers a little more than installing lights and reptacles. I am now an engineering technician for the Smithsonian Institute. We use a little bit more power than a little tiny stadium, and considering the requirements of the objects (artifacts), power is a bit more important than for a football game. One thing I do know, if you spend 600k on a project to revamp your electrical system there are no "flukes" or "things missed". (Actually, do [u]you[/u] realize that 600k is a very small revamp project. That might replace two motor control centers.) These systems are designed by people (supposedly) smarter than the average joe. When a company "misses things" that leads to lawsuits and bankrutpcy. No reputable firm is going to miss something.


Let me explain, in small words, how easy it is to transfer to emergency power. Power goes out, within micro-seconds the emergency systems come up, automatically. If that sounds hard to you, then I guess it is hard. We are talking about life safty here. The power is needed for lighting in case people have to evacuate the building. Again not something they are going to let fall to a "fluke"


Maybe something happened that YOU do not know about, but the pros know. Electricty is not all that bewildering.

[flynismo]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360162095' post='1347616']
I was not an electrician. Nor do I work in a back yard garage. I was a maintenace electrician, which covers a little more than installing lights and reptacles. I am now an engineering technician for the Smithsonian Institute. We use a little bit more power than a little tiny stadium, and considering the requirements of the objects (artifacts), power is a bit more important than for a football game. One thing I do know, if you spend 600k on a project to revamp your electrical system there are no "flukes" or "things missed". (Actually, do [u]you[/u] realize that 600k is a very small revamp project. That might replace two motor control centers.) These systems are designed by people (supposedly) smarter than the average joe. When a company "misses things" that leads to lawsuits and bankrutpcy. No reputable firm is going to miss something.


Let me explain, in small words, how easy it is to transfer to emergency power. Power goes out, within micro-seconds the emergency systems come up, automatically. If that sounds hard to you, then I guess it is hard. We are talking about life safty here. The power is needed for lighting in case people have to evacuate the building. Again not something they are going to let fall to a "fluke"


Maybe something happened that YOU do not know about, but the pros know. Electricty is not all that bewildering.
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Actually, he said they made $600 Million in upgrades.
Which I honestly doubt. Considering a lot (most?) stadiums don't cost that amount, I can't imagine this being the case.

[flynismo]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1360154201' post='1347537']
If he thinks it's that easy, he wasn't much of a electrician. There could be hundreds of things that went wrong for a building that size for the lights to go out. This is not your backyard garage.
Does the so called 15 year electrician know they just spent 600,000 million in upgrades this past year. Maybe something was missed, something that know one knows, a fluke thing, or the mob, but I really don't care but to say it was "just that easy" is just nonsense.
And the post above, yes Beyonce;s show WAS run on generators as "reported in the press"..
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Well, I don't know the first thing about powering up a stadium; hell, last time I installed a stereo in my car I started a fire in the trunk (true story, lmao), so I am not exactly the guy to propose theories to....that said --

In a previous job, it required me to travel to many different faculties, warehouses and factories. There were several occassions where the power went down while visiting these places (four, to be exact). Each time, the power was back on in a matter of 5 - 10 seconds.

Now, I realize that powering a factory is not the same as powering a stadium, but considering the size and function of some of these factories, I would assume that the power usage isn't all that far off from that of a stadium. If (big if) that is anywhere remotely near the truth, it makes me wonder--

if there really were $600M worth of upgrades made, then there is absolutely zero reason why the stadium could not get lighting within seconds. None! If factories and warehouses and foundries that run 40+ year old electrical systems can get power back in a matter of seconds, why couldn't a modern stadium with an additional $600M of upgrades do the same?

[funky141]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1360163215' post='1347635']
Well, I don't know the first thing about powering up a stadium; hell, last time I installed a stereo in my car I started a fire in the trunk (true story, lmao), so I am not exactly the guy to propose theories to....that said --

In a previous job, it required me to travel to many different faculties, warehouses and factories. There were several occassions where the power went down while visiting these places (four, to be exact). Each time, the power was back on in a matter of 5 - 10 seconds.

Now, I realize that powering a factory is not the same as powering a stadium, but considering the size and function of some of these factories, I would assume that the power usage isn't all that far off from that of a stadium. If (big if) that is anywhere remotely near the truth, it makes me wonder--

if there really were $600M worth of upgrades made, then there is absolutely zero reason why the stadium could not get lighting within seconds. None! If factories and warehouses and foundries that run 40+ year old electrical systems can get power back in a matter of seconds, why couldn't a modern stadium with an additional $600M of upgrades do the same?
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Stadium lights, even my local high gym lights take time to come back on. When they are turned off, there is a grace period before they can be turned back on. Stadium lights are much different then a light bulb at home or at work.

[funky141]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1360159711' post='1347589']
Wowee - that's a lot of money.
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Much of the upgrade was also because of the hurricane damage they didn't get to yet.
And my bad, it was 600,000 thousand not millions.