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The Necessary Cuts

The Necessary Cuts   90 members have voted

  1. 1. Who would you pick?

    • Ed Reed
      21
    • Paul Kruger
      30
    • Bryant McKinnie
      18
    • Art Jones
      6
    • Dennis Pitta
      0
    • Dannell Ellerbe
      3
    • Ma'ake Kemoeatu
      53
    • Ed Dickson
      28
    • Cary Williams
      66
    • James Ihedigbo
      28
    • Josh Bynes
      32
    • Other
      20

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Who would you prefer the Ravens' front office cut to make room for Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco's huge new contract? Keep in mind Baltimore's priorities and budget. [would've posted more choices, but I ran out of space on the Poll}
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Just putting this out there for discussion, would cutting Suggs or Rice help our cap at all? I DONT want to see Suggs go, but if the FO has reason to believe he won't be the same player, we can't pay him his huge salary. In regards to Rice, I think rb is the most overvalued position as the line does most the work anyways. If cutting Rice meant bringing back Reed, Ellerbe, Flacco, and keeping Boldin, I would do it. Pierce is not the blocker or receiver that Rice is, but he is just as good a runner.
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Too soon Poe, too soon. All of these guys are SB winning Ravens. None of them deserve to be talked about getting cut tonight.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1359960027' post='1343827']
Too soon Poe, too soon. All of these guys are SB winning Ravens. None of them deserve to be talked about getting cut tonight.
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Agree. They'll be plenty of time for this discussion down the road. Right now, relax, and enjoy.
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Cary Williams is good money! I'm surprised so many people are voting for him. I wouldn't want to cut too many parts of the defense, given Lewis' departure and Reed and Suggs' aging.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1359960183' post='1343832']
This is too soon man. Ravens as a TEAM[b] just won the superbowl. [/b] Lets celebrate pls
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Alright, vote tomorrow if you'd prefer!
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Let's table this discussion for a week or until the parade at least. These guys deserve their 15 minutes and moreeeee!!! We have to say goodbye to Ray too...it has been a long season, enjoy the ride, soak up every second.
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[quote name='Grapple Raven' timestamp='1359960677' post='1343845']
Let's table this discussion for a week or until the parade at least. These guys deserve their 15 minutes and moreeeee!!! We have to say goodbye to Ray too...it has been a long season, enjoy the ride, soak up every second.
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Just looking ahead! Maybe if we buy enough Ravens merchandise, the Ravens can retain all their players! :ravensquote:[size=4] [/size]
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1359960431' post='1343837']
Cary Williams is good money! I'm surprised so many people are voting for him. I wouldn't want to cut too many parts of the defense, given Lewis' departure and Reed and Suggs' aging.
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Cary Williams is requesting too much he and Paul kruger both request around 8-10 million a year...no way we will retain them. With the emergance of Brown, and Graham and Webb coming back next year Williams isnt a big need. Dont think we retain Williams or Kruger unless they take low contracts
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[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1359962113' post='1343898']
Cary Williams is requesting too much he and Paul kruger both request around 8-10 million a year...no way we will retain them. With the emergance of Brown, and Graham and Webb coming back next year Williams isnt a big need. Dont think we retain Williams or Kruger unless they take low contracts
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BAL needs to retain Kruger, at the very least. He's one of the anchors of BAL's defense.
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[quote name='shootyoup' timestamp='1359960019' post='1343825']
Just putting this out there for discussion, would cutting Suggs or Rice help our cap at all? I DONT want to see Suggs go, but if the FO has reason to believe he won't be the same player, we can't pay him his huge salary. In regards to Rice, I think rb is the most overvalued position as the line does most the work anyways. If cutting Rice meant bringing back Reed, Ellerbe, Flacco, and keeping Boldin, I would do it. Pierce is not the blocker or receiver that Rice is, but he is just as good a runner.
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No it wouldn't, it would still detract a lot of money from the cap. Rice will probably be traded in a year or two, but he'll be on the team next season for sure because of all the guaranteed money we'd still be responsible for. If we didn't get bogged down with his contract, that'd be the most logical move, but unfortunately we've hitched our wagon to him for the next few seasons. If Suggs does not return to his DPOY form, our defense next year will be even worse than the one this year. He's our only hope in the short term to turn things around on that side of the ball, no way Sizzle gets cut. Plus, I believe he has $10 million guaranteed that we'd be responsible for.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1359964041' post='1343963']
No it wouldn't, it would still detract a lot of money from the cap. Rice will probably be traded in a year or two, but he'll be on the team next season for sure because of all the guaranteed money we'd still be responsible for. If we didn't get bogged down with his contract, that'd be the most logical move, but unfortunately we've hitched our wagon to him for the next few seasons. If Suggs does not return to his DPOY form, our defense next year will be even worse than the one this year. He's our only hope in the short term to turn things around on that side of the ball, no way Sizzle gets cut. Plus, I believe he has $10 million guaranteed that we'd be responsible for.
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Good thing BAL now has Pierce to fall back on if they choose to part ways with Rice. As for Suggs, we'll just have to wait and see how his progress goes.
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Our defense ran out of juice in the second half. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are not the huge difference makers anymore (Ed's pick was more on Kap then anyone). Our whole defense basically fell apart, when Ngata got injured. Suggs looked average as well, being outplayed by Kruger.
Most of our talent lies suddenly on our offense. Joe, Torrey, Boldin, Pitta (Seriously take his name off the potential cuts! That ridiculous!) or our OLine (can't believe I just typed it). Pierce and Rice (a fumble again?) had average to mixed performances though.
It's hard to predict, what the FO will need to do in the off-season, but I would assume some minor tweaks to the OL and some major drafting on defense.
I don't know, if we should resign Reed.
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1359967201' post='1344019']
Our defense ran out of juice in the second half. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are not the huge difference makers anymore (Ed's pick was more on Kap then anyone). Our whole defense basically fell apart, when Ngata got injured. Suggs looked average as well, being outplayed by Kruger.
Most of our talent lies suddenly on our offense. Joe, Torrey, Boldin, Pitta (Seriously take his name off the potential cuts! That ridiculous!) or our OLine (can't believe I just typed it). Pierce and Rice (a fumble again?) had average to mixed performances though.
It's hard to predict, what the FO will need to do in the off-season, but I would assume some minor tweaks to the OL and some major drafting on defense.
I don't know, if we should resign Reed.
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Do you want BAL to part ways with 34-year old Bryant McKinnie?
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Would love to see Art, Reed, Pitta, and Kruger all be back. McKinnie would be a plus too. But the rest imo are expendable.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1359967525' post='1344027']
Do you want BAL to part ways with 34-year old Bryant McKinnie?
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Yes, but that one cut will not be enough, imho.
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1359967716' post='1344032']
Yes, but that one cut will not be enough, imho.
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For the O-line?
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1359967716' post='1344031']
Would love to see Art, Reed, Pitta, and Kruger all be back. McKinnie would be a plus too. But the rest imo are expendable.
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If I had to cut 1 of the players you mentioned, it would be Reed. He simply won't be worth the price he'll demand for the duration of his tenure in the NFL.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1359967771' post='1344034']
For the O-line?
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No. I meant for the team in general. I would hope we can pick up a good replacement for McKinnie in the earlier rounds.
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1359968028' post='1344039']
No. I meant for the team in general. I would hope we can pick up a good replacement for McKinnie in the earlier rounds.
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Baltimore's going to need to cut a lot more than that to stay under the cap!
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359968760' post='1344049']
None of those players are under contract so none can be cut.
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Technicalities... who do you want BAL to [i]re-sign[/i], arnie?
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Pitta will be tendered. There is enough cap to keep Pitta and Flacco. Most of the people you named though are FAs anyway. I say redo Boldin and Leach. Birk probably retires giving more cap space. Ellerbe needs to be brought back to me. I would restructure Suggs contract, but don't see it happening. Would also like to keep Kruger cause I've always thought he would be good, but he has earned himself a nice payday. This will be an interesting off season as far as personnel moves.
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[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1359970593' post='1344064']
Pitta will be tendered. There is enough cap to keep Pitta and Flacco. Most of the people you named though are FAs anyway. I say redo Boldin and Leach. Birk probably retires giving more cap space. Ellerbe needs to be brought back to me. I would restructure Suggs contract, but don't see it happening. Would also like to keep Kruger cause I've always thought he would be good, but he has earned himself a nice payday. This will be an interesting off season as far as personnel moves.
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What about McKinnie and the other FAs?
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1359971003' post='1344073']


What about McKinnie and the other FAs?
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I think McKinnie is a FA as well. I think or hope we try to draft a LT if they don't think one is on the team already. I'm not sure if the team can afford to keep McKinnie. Most of the guys are expandable. I think the needs in the draft will be tackle, nose tackle, lb and tight end. I think the team tries to position itself to resign Reed, while keeping Flacco Pitta and Ellerbe. Cary is gone and Jimmy will step up. Asa will prove valuable too I think. The team doesn't have many needs, mostly just filling holes in the depth chart that will be left from some of the guys leaving.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1359969662' post='1344051']


Technicalities... who do you want BAL to [i]re-sign[/i], arnie?
[/quote]its not technicalities, cutting saves money resigning costs money.

I'd like to see leach Jones and boldin all re structured. Ellerbe retained, pitta dickson and art etc are rfa so they will be cheap. Work out longterm deals after the tender with Jones and pitta like Webb last year.

Kruger is a situational pass rusher, a good one but we could have a slight drop of in production for a hell of a lot cheaper.

I want reed back but Duno how we can afford it. I'm hoping he retires if we can't afford him.

McClain only saves about 1mil if he's cut so I don't think that's worthwhile, mike oher could be extended reducing his cap number which is over five due to hitting escalators.

I'd like a longterm deal for graham as well. We really need to get proactive and sign players before the run out of contract.
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