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The Bigger Priority: Kruger or Reed

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I keep seeing people saying that they think we will keep Reed. If that's the case, I really don't see us keeping both Kruger AND Reed. I don't even see how we can even sign Kruger with Reed gone. Personally I'd rather have Kruger for the future. He has been a fantastic addition to our pass rush. Reed being gone would be a big hole in secondary also. You don't magically get players like Ed.
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Neither, both will be gone next season. Both are asking for huge contracts that the Ravens can't afford.
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Reed is a larger priority. Maybe not for his actual skills anymore, however his leadership and intelligence will be especially huge for our team next year without Ray. Krugs hasnt really done anything up until this year and will get much more money elsewhere. I think we will keep both Reed and Ellerbe. Let kruger go.
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I agree that it's harder to replace someone like Reed, but how much longer do you think he'll play? It would seem that longevity would be a factor if it comes down to one or the other. Although, if we could keep Reed, we could probably raise a rookie and get him playing at Kruger-level before Ed retired...

Hmmm. Glad I'm not the one having to make that call.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1359734769' post='1337515']
Neither, both will be gone next season. Both are asking for huge contracts that the Ravens can't afford.
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I was also thinking neither. I really want them to keep Kruger though. Both being gone would be a huge whole in my purple heart. :(
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Neither. Locking down Joe to a contract to at least give us a chance at either Kruger or Reed.
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[quote name='RobFuseRaven' timestamp='1359735945' post='1337552']
I was also thinking neither. I really want them to keep Kruger though. Both being gone would be a huge whole in my purple heart. :(
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Yes Kruger is a big must if they can keep him but again it's all about the benjamins.
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Kruger wants big money and Ed already has one foot put the door. I'd be surprised if either turns down more money so they can return.
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I honestly think Kruger's success is a result of Suggs' return to the field. Kruger was a non-factor until Suggs returned in the Houston game. After that game, Kruger BLEW UP. And I believe a large reason for that boost in production was because Sizzle was demanding the double team. Kruger is a quality player but he isn't a premier pass rusher like the stats would imply. He is a product of the system he's playing in and he definitely benefits off of the other talent in that front 7.

If Paul follows the blockbuster contract to another team they'll be sorely disappointed in his drop in production without a player of Suggs caliber demanding all of the attention on the other side of the line.
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Reed we have upshaw if we cant sign kruger. All pro FS vs promising OLB? All pro. i think we can fit reed in somewhere but its going to come down to how the FO places the money in Flacco's contract i read the cap goes up a few million in 2014 maybe fit some wiggle room in 2013 higher pay in 2014.. who knows up to Oz.
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If I had to choose one, from a general manager's standpoint, Id go with Kruger. Reed would probably be around another 2-3 years at best. Kruger we could lock up to a long term contract, and he'd be an impact pass rusher for years to come.

I can't see how we'd manage to keep them around though.
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Reed. While Reed's speed has declined, his IQ & instincts are sharper than before. He is best in his zone and not gambling. I also think contrary to others that Reed will be cheaper than Kruger. His leadership is also a very underrated aspect of his game. I think we will need his leadership with the loss of #52.

Kruger's becoming a top-notch pass rusher. He can play DE & OLB. That's versatile. He is OK in coverage and is also OK at setting the edge. Teams will think they can coach him up and will offer him a bigger deal and he takes it. His pass rush is too good to pass up, and he can play in a 2-point, 3-point, or 4-point stance. He's good.

I think we will keep Ellerbe, Reed & Joe. Might let some RFAs go and re-sign to veteran minimum deals.
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People need to accept the fact that neither is going to be here next season. Reed is washed up and wants too much money, and Kruger isn't going to be able to turn down the large contracts some other teams can offer. Flacco is the priority, him and Ellerbe might be it.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1359734769' post='1337515']
Neither, both will be gone next season. Both are asking for huge contracts that the Ravens can't afford.
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Hey, this guy might be a partial troll (you know since you are an Indy fan. Too) but I have to agree with this. They could both be gone next season. I do not know that Kruger is asking for a big contract, but the way he has played lately he certainly could expect one. Reed, who knows. The guy is an enigma.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1359737882' post='1337608']
People need to accept the fact that neither is going to be here next season. Reed is washed up and wants too much money, and Kruger isn't going to be able to turn down the large contracts some other teams can offer. Flacco is the priority, him and Ellerbe might be it.
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Man, I hate to use the word washed up. Thats a little brutal. Although he may want a lot of money who knows with this guy. He might just want a big office. It is hard to understand his motivations. Kruger must know that he can get a fat contract and will likely hold out to see what exactly it is. We will not be able to match it. So unless he is willing to take a huge hometown discount, I expect (as painful as it will be) we lose him. Reed may be back, he may go elsewhere, he may retire, who knows?


I also agree with Bmorelegacy, Kruger has excelled because of the team around him. I really do not think he will have the same level of success, but he will have the big contract.
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[quote name='RobFuseRaven' timestamp='1359734669' post='1337507']
I keep seeing people saying that they think we will keep Reed. If that's the case, I really don't see us keeping both Kruger AND Reed. I don't even see how we can even sign Kruger with Reed gone. Personally I'd rather have Kruger for the future. He has been a fantastic addition to our pass rush. Reed being gone would be a big hole in secondary also. You don't magically get players like Ed.
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Reed. As much as I love Kruger, we have Upshaw to replace him. We don't really have much depth or many players to replace Reed in the secondary. Reed is also one of those players, who changes the game by just being on the field. People have to account for him. Kruger has developed well, but he will be overpaid by someone else (same argument for Reed), and won't have the same impact that Reed has just with his presence.

FWIW I don't think either will be here this season as belichick will pay Reed whatever he wants to be there and Ozzie being a good GM wont screw his team over and match it just to keep him.
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Reed is going to be too expensive for what he is now - a locker room presence. It's hard to accept, but his play is declining quickly and he will get more money elsewhere from a team who still sees him as the Ed Reed from years ago.

I doubt we have the cap space for Kruger and I think he is also going to be paid more than he's worth by another team. I think we draft a safety early to replace Reed and Upshaw takes Kruger's spot.
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1359738188' post='1337615']



Man, I hate to use the word washed up. Thats a little brutal. Although he may want a lot of money who knows with this guy. He might just want a big office. It is hard to understand his motivations. Kruger must know that he can get a fat contract and will likely hold out to see what exactly it is. We will not be able to match it. So unless he is willing to take a huge hometown discount, I expect (as painful as it will be) we lose him. Reed may be back, he may go elsewhere, he may retire, who knows?


I also agree with Bmorelegacy, Kruger has excelled because of the team around him. I really do not think he will have the same level of success, but he will have the big contract.
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I think one of the best teams for Kruger to go to would be the Vikings. Having Allen & Kruger across from each other would be a strong tandem. Add in the fact that they run a 4-3 and I think it's a good fit for him.
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1359737889' post='1337609']
Hey, this guy might be a partial troll (you know since you are an Indy fan. Too) but I have to agree with this. They could both be gone next season.[b] I do not know that Kruger is asking for a big contract, but the way he has played lately he certainly could expect one.[/b] Reed, who knows. The guy is an enigma.
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LaCanfora reported he's expecting $8 million earlier in January. A desperate team could very well offer him more once FA starts.
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Reed and Ellerbe will be in purple next year but Kruger will definitely be somewhere else. We're going to have to re-structure Anquan and possibly Haloti to make it work but Ed Reed will retire as a Raven.
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[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1359736368' post='1337563']
I honestly think Kruger's success is a result of Suggs' return to the field. Kruger was a non-factor until Suggs returned in the Houston game. After that game, Kruger BLEW UP. And I believe a large reason for that boost in production was because Sizzle was demanding the double team. Kruger is a quality player but he isn't a premier pass rusher like the stats would imply. He is a product of the system he's playing in and he definitely benefits off of the other talent in that front 7.

If Paul follows the blockbuster contract to another team they'll be sorely disappointed in his drop in production without a player of Suggs caliber demanding all of the attention on the other side of the line.
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Don't forget Ngata is getting doubled as well.
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Reed, and Ellerbe. This upcoming draft has some great pass rushers in it. And we also have McAdoo and Hamilton who may become great rushing OLB. Upshaw is a beast against the run and may grow into a everydown OLB. If we lose both Ed and Lewis in the same year we will have lost more than can be replaced with talent, but all around football genuis directly on the field calling the shots.
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Why is there this assumption that Kruger is going to demand huge money? He had a great stretch there, but has been quiet before and since then... I'd like to keep him since he finally has come on, though.
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1359748523' post='1337815']
[b]Why is there this assumption that Kruger is going to demand huge money?[/b] He had a great stretch there, but has been quiet before and since then... I'd like to keep him since he finally has come on, though.
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He fired his agents earlier in January and was expected to sign with a major firm.
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