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[Dubs]

Mock
1. Kansas City Chiefs – Luke Joeckel | OT | Texas A&M
- Andy Reid loves drafting linemen. However he is not afraid to take a QB

2. Jacksonville Jaguars – Damontre Moore | DE | Texas A&M
- Probably getting overvalued but he could be special

3. Oakland Raiders – Star Lotulelei | DT | Utah
- Richard Seymour is gone and they have little depth

4. Philadelphia Eagles – Geno Smith | QB | West Virginia
- I have no clue how Chip will go here, so will go with a common one

5. Detroit Lions – Dee Milliner | CB | Alabama
- There defense is absolutely terrible at times, especially in the secondary

6. Cleveland Browns – Bjoern Werner | DE/OLB | Florida St.
- Ray Horton will love having two hard workers on the edge with Werner & Sheard

7. Arizona Cardinals – Mike Glennon | QB | NC State
- Arians is a QB guru, I think he will love Glennons tools

8. Buffalo Bills – Manti Teo | ILB | ND
- Even with hoax he is a tough guy and I honestly think he impresses in interviews. Marrone needs someone to pull their D together.

9. New York Jets – Barkevious Mingo | DE/OLB | LSU
- Long and athletic, fits Rex’s defense and his love for potential.

10. Tennessee Titans – Chance Warmack | OG | Alabama
- As much as CJ ran laterally, at times he had too, this may help this

11. San Diego Chargers – Eric Fisher | OT | CMU
- Phillip needs a better OL, Fisher is a stud

12. Miami Dolphins – Jarvis Jones | DE/OLB | Georgia
- I honestly think he will be scratched off a lot of boards because of injury, but just needs one.

13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Desmond Trufant | CB | Washington
- Yes this is high, but they picked Barron rather high too--if he runs under 4.5 I think he will be highly coveted. I think Schiano falls in love with his grittiness and picks him over Banks to shore up a need.

14. Carolina Panthers – Sheldon Richardson | DT | Mizzou
- Need help on DL and WR, I think they go DL and hope Cam keeps up late season play.

15. New Orleans Saints – Jonathon Hankins | NT | Ohio St.
- Moving to a 34, they need a NT and a lot of help on that D

16. St. Louis Rams – Kenny Vaccaro | S | Texas
- Fisher is well on his way to having one of the best secondaries & defenses in the league.

17. Pittsburgh Steelers – John Jenkins | NT | Georgia
- I hate Jenkins and hate the steelers, fits well to me

18. Dallas Cowboys – Shariff Floyd | DT | Florida
- I think he will rise, they need some guys to fit the cover 2, Floyd will excel

19. New York Giants – Ezekial Ansah | DE | BYU
- Fits the D, and their philosophy of getting a new pass rusher every year…

20. Chicago Bears – Lane Johnson | OT | Oklahoma
- How I would to see him drop, but this is as far as it gets

21. Cincinnati Bengals – Eric Reid | S | LSU
- He just flashes physicality when you watch him, Zimmer will love him

22. St. Louis Rams – Jonathon Cooper | OG | North Carolina
- An amazingly athletic OL, if any OL is a ‘dynamic’ player it is him

23. Minnesota Vikings – Keenan Allen | WR | Cal
- They were a different team with Harvin, he is similar and has no injury issues.

24. Indianapolis Colts – Dion Jordan | DE/OLB | Oregon
- Steal at this point, beyond versatile

25. Seattle Seahawks – Cordarelle Patterson | WR | Tennessee
- Russell gets an explosive weapon, with a developing OL they are scary

26. Green Bay Packers – Zach Ertz | TE | Stanford
- Jermicheal had some rough moments, Ertz will fit in without hitch

27. Houston Texans – Alec Ogletree | ILB | Georgia
- Him and Cushing could be a very good pairing for many years

28. Denver Broncos – Kevin Minter | ILB | LSU
- Joe Mays too a steep decline this year and they need a presence inside

29. New England Patriots – Jonathon Banks | CB | Miss. St.
- McCourty has transitioned nicely, they need help on the edges though

30. Atlanta Falcons – Tyler Eifert | TE | Notre Dame
- Gonzalez gone, Eifert in. Seamless.

31. San Francisco 49ers – Jesse Williams | DL | Alabama
- Could be their NT of the future and for now depth along the whole front, fits their toughness on D.

Baltimore Draft
1^st. Kawann Short | DL | Purdue

- Love him. Uses his hands, has great length and is one of those rare DL who can take over a game. He needs to develop a better motor/endurance but in an NFL rotation I think he will thrive. I think he can line up anywhere on the line and provides the inside pass rush we desperately need.

2^nd. Arthur Brown | ILB | Kansas St. – TRADE (2^nd, 4^th & 5^th to move up)

- Plays much bigger than his size. A player who can do it all, not much is needed to be said there as there is already a ton of love floating around him on these boards.

3^rd. Tony Jefferson | S | Oklahoma

- I think he may drop even further than this. Have heard some bad rumors about his weight room work ethic. I do not think he will have very good combine numbers but he is a football player and shows up on the field. With proper support and motivation I think he could be special.

Comp. 4^th. Chris Faulk | OT | LSU

- If he was not injured I think he could have gone in the first. Stock depends on his pre draft recovery evaluations but could be our future LT. Big, and has strong hands, has the body of Orlando Pace, just needs to work on the footwork.

Comp. 5^th. Nick Casa | TE | Colorado

- Former DL and has only played TE for a year or so. Has a ton of talent to work with and given our situation at TE he could basically have a “redshirt” type season learning the ropes. In the past we have done similar moves with Edgar Jones, maybe this one works better.

6^th. Blaize Foltz | OG | TCU

- I think he is very underrated and is just a smart player. Not sure if he has ever lined up at C but would be nice to have a versatile OL at this point.

7^th. Quanterus Smith | DE/OLB | Western Kentucky

- A late round pass rusher that should give depth and explosion. Has the production. Would like to go earlier but Short should help greatly as well as a healthy Suggs and McPhee next year.

[bkellz]

finally somebody agrees with drafting tony jefferson. the rumors of him of with no work ethic are just rumors. none of that is true at all. just haters at the fact he is not staying for his senior season. i feel depending on how well he does in the draft, he goes late second though. i think we will move back in the draft and trade away the 1st round. if they draft short it will end up being another upshaw situation i feel.

[GrimCoconut]

I agree with most of your selections for other teams.. All your rationales make sense. I won't argue them. I only wonder if the Cardinals & Bears make those picks. I can really see the Cardinals passing on a QB and taking Fisher then that would cause the Chargers to take Johnson and the Bears would probably take Jones. Then, I can see the Patriots taking Matt Elam, whom you completely ignored on this list. The Patriots have McCourty, but Chung is a FA & I can see them taking Elam to be the SS because of his hard-hitting ability and play-making ability as well as versatility.

As for our picks...

1. I like Short, but I think it's a little high for him. I'd almost rather take B. Jones if he can indeed play LT or LG, since we could always switch KO to RT again. We could also take D. Jones to be DE, and I would be happy with that, too. I like Short--don't get me wrong. It's just I'm not sure with the talent left.

2. Love Arthur Brown.

3. I like Jefferson, too. I'd rather have Mathieu, though; but this is a very nice pick. I just think Mathieu would be a perfect FS in a couple of years, and I personally see Reed returning. I also see Mathieu being able to play dime CB, which would be versatile. Jefferson, I don't think, can do that.

4. I like Faulk. I think Castillo could make a big impact on his improvement & refinement.

5. I don't know a lot about him, but I like Williams a lot from Alabama. Still, I can't discredit this pick.

6. I like the idea of getting a late-round OL, but I'm not impressed with the interior OL prospects of this draft in the 3rd day. Don't know a lot about this guy, so I'll have to just comment with that.

7. I really don't think Smith goes this late, but I'd take him here, too. Smith's a beast. I think he has a lot of potential.

[Dubs]

Grim - Of all the picks my two biggest struggles (even though a mock is a struggle) was Arizona and New England. As you said in Zona their OL is absolutely terrible and it may be a David Carr situation if they draft a QB, but I have a feel that Arians may see a little Joe Flacco in Glennon and after playing against him for several years take the risk. I could be completely wrong though and he may enjoy the QBs there or ones in FA more as it is not as 'risky' to his job security. That pick really is the domino effect for the OT movement, as you already showed.
I went Banks for the Pats mainly because I think they pursue Ed Reed like no other, basically my assumption is they get Ed...I will get angry...and he will tutor up Jonathon Banks and McCourty. I hope this does not happen and if it does not I think they will prefer Elam, but him and Banks is a tough one for Bill. He has been looking for a corner for a long time, basically Asante Samuel or Ty Law days.

Thanks for the feedback - I may love Short more than most and I really think he is a steal at the end of the first. I would prefer to keep Osemele at LG, I think he is amazing there. Still a good RT though, but I would love to see the grouping we have all come back. With Faulk eventually taking the LT spot

I agree on Smith probably going much higher--anyone have any late round pass rushers who may be interesting to look up?

[Corvus Amplus]

Why no Matt Elam?

[GrimCoconut]

Grim - Of all the picks my two biggest struggles (even though a mock is a struggle) was Arizona and New England. As you said in Zona their OL is absolutely terrible and it may be a David Carr situation if they draft a QB, but I have a feel that Arians may see a little Joe Flacco in Glennon and after playing against him for several years take the risk. I could be completely wrong though and he may enjoy the QBs there or ones in FA more as it is not as 'risky' to his job security. That pick really is the domino effect for the OT movement, as you already showed.
I went Banks for the Pats mainly because I think they pursue Ed Reed like no other, basically my assumption is they get Ed...I will get angry...and he will tutor up Jonathon Banks and McCourty. I hope this does not happen and if it does not I think they will prefer Elam, but him and Banks is a tough one for Bill. He has been looking for a corner for a long time, basically Asante Samuel or Ty Law days.

Thanks for the feedback - I may love Short more than most and I really think he is a steal at the end of the first. I would prefer to keep Osemele at LG, I think he is amazing there. Still a good RT though, but I would love to see the grouping we have all come back. With Faulk eventually taking the LT spot

I agree on Smith probably going much higher--anyone have any late round pass rushers who may be interesting to look up?

No, you're right. Glennon is similar to Flacco. The problem is, I think the Cardinals could get him in the 2nd, or possibly trade up into the 1st to get him. If they get Glennon, who's going to protect him? Maybe they'll get Long, that changes things dramatically. Still, I think as of this moment it's a top need. Go for the tackle, then for the QB. Especially since this class isn't the strongest. There doesn't seem to be a clear & distinct front-runner as of yet.

I don't think the Pats are that bad in the secondary. They'll probably re-sign Talib and they have the money to get a CB. I can see them get Grimes or something like that. They're a smart team, so it's hard to say. Still, if I was BB, I would pass on Reed despite the love affair. I'd take Elam without a question. Elam & McCourty would be a dominant safety group. He could also probably take a CB in the 2nd round if he wanted, too. I doubt Elam makes it there.

KO is great at LG, but if we drafted Jones he might be just as good. It's hard to say. Besides, they say he can play any OL position, so he could possibly play RT or LT for us. I'd still take Faulk if that's the case. You could have a line of Faulk, KO/Jones, Gradkowski, Yanda, KO/Jones. Not bad at all. Trade Michael Oher for a pick and there you go.

I don't think there will be too many guys late left. Pass rushing OLBs don't go undrafted, normally. Hamilton is an exception. I'd take one earlier, like in the 5th or so. Also, I think we get 4 comp picks and didn't you project us only two?

Edited by GrimCoconut, 30 January 2013 - 09:58 PM.

[Dubs]

Why no Matt Elam?

I think he has the talent to be in the first but as I did the mock he just barely fell out...I was thinking of him at NE's spot and ours - in the end went a different direction. I would not be surprised if this happens though as he is undersized and probably wont put up amazing combine numbers.

No, you're right. Glennon is similar to Flacco. The problem is, I think the Cardinals could get him in the 2nd, or possibly trade up into the 1st to get him. If they get Glennon, who's going to protect him? Maybe they'll get Long, that changes things dramatically. Still, I think as of this moment it's a top need. Go for the tackle, then for the QB. Especially since this class isn't the strongest. There doesn't seem to be a clear & distinct front-runner as of yet.

I don't think the Pats are that bad in the secondary. They'll probably re-sign Talib and they have the money to get a CB. I can see them get Grimes or something like that. They're a smart team, so it's hard to say. Still, if I was BB, I would pass on Reed despite the love affair. I'd take Elam without a question. Elam & McCourty would be a dominant safety group. He could also probably take a CB in the 2nd round if he wanted, too. I doubt Elam makes it there.

KO is great at LG, but if we drafted Jones he might be just as good. It's hard to say. Besides, they say he can play any OL position, so he could possibly play RT or LT for us. I'd still take Faulk if that's the case. You could have a line of Faulk, KO/Jones, Gradkowski, Yanda, KO/Jones. Not bad at all. Trade Michael Oher for a pick and there you go.

I don't think there will be too many guys late left. Pass rushing OLBs don't go undrafted, normally. Hamilton is an exception. I'd take one earlier, like in the 5th or so. Also, I think we get 4 comp picks and didn't you project us only two?

On the Zona topic - I agree and that is what I would do, but my process for this was not exactly what I would do but what I think occurs..I wanted to put Barkley in the first too as I think in the end he will go there, probably with a trade into the late first. I really am excited to see how the QBs start shaping up and rolling off the board as they will be pushed up even without a clear frontrunner.

I may be stubborn but I like Oher at RT and would never even think of trading him. He is a great run blocker and when he knows his assignment he can stop any pass rusher...I do like Barrett Jones, but I do question him as a LT and I think he will drop kinda like Peter Konz last year. Both are very good players and as Konz showed this year could be steals once they find their spot on an OL.

As much as I hate to say I really do think Reed or a veteran would be huge for the Pats in the secondary. Whether that is Grimes or Reed and most likely keep Talib, however I do think they go secondary in the first. Banks vs Elam depends on their FA and even if they do nothing it is still a tough decision. I could see him loving Elam as a S who can line up anywhere.

I did only project two comps...just to be on the safe side. Smith could always be an earlier comp pick, and if it is earlier Travis Long or Cornelius Washington I would put in there

[evass#ravensnation]

We need to add a WR for Flacco and Da'rick Rogers would be the perfect guy !!! He'll be our Megatron

[Miami Hurricane]

We need to add a WR for Flacco and Da'rick Rogers would be the perfect guy !!! He'll be our Megatron

He's nothing like megatron though in any aspect.

[ravefan52]

Where are your 4th and 5th picks? Short will be there early 2nd and we could trade back, but I do like him a lot. I love Brown and Faulk. If those rumors about Jefferson arent true then hes a good pick. Kasa could be good in a few years, but I would rather have Vance Mcdonald if he is there or possibly take him earlier. Getting a guard could be smart. You could put Faulk at LT when hes ready, then if oher is gone, KO could easily go back to RT. Then have Foltz compete with reid among others and provide depth. However I havent seen Foltz play so I dont know about him. Smith is a good pick if hes there

[Dubs]

Where are your 4th and 5th picks? Short will be there early 2nd and we could trade back, but I do like him a lot. I love Brown and Faulk. If those rumors about Jefferson arent true then hes a good pick. Kasa could be good in a few years, but I would rather have Vance Mcdonald if he is there or possibly take him earlier. Getting a guard could be smart. You could put Faulk at LT when hes ready, then if oher is gone, KO could easily go back to RT. Then have Foltz compete with reid among others and provide depth. However I havent seen Foltz play so I dont know about him. Smith is a good pick if hes there

The 4th and 5th picks I used in the trade up for Arthur Brown to get us into that early to mid 2nd range. After Shorts senior bowl week and productive couple of years I would be surprised if he makes into very far into the 2nd and think his value is really good at #32..I like your future thinking on the OL and that would be best case scenario esche.

On the no WR pick - usually I am a huge advocate for taking a WR at some point in every draft but my trade limited my options. I do like Darick Rodgers but there are many players to choose from in the early to mid rounds and I think there may be some good value in rd 2-3 with possibilities in Woods, Rogers, Wheaton, Patton, etc. I would love one but depends on who is there

[GrimCoconut]

I think he has the talent to be in the first but as I did the mock he just barely fell out...I was thinking of him at NE's spot and ours - in the end went a different direction. I would not be surprised if this happens though as he is undersized and probably wont put up amazing combine numbers.



On the Zona topic - I agree and that is what I would do, but my process for this was not exactly what I would do but what I think occurs..I wanted to put Barkley in the first too as I think in the end he will go there, probably with a trade into the late first. I really am excited to see how the QBs start shaping up and rolling off the board as they will be pushed up even without a clear frontrunner.

I may be stubborn but I like Oher at RT and would never even think of trading him. He is a great run blocker and when he knows his assignment he can stop any pass rusher...I do like Barrett Jones, but I do question him as a LT and I think he will drop kinda like Peter Konz last year. Both are very good players and as Konz showed this year could be steals once they find their spot on an OL.

As much as I hate to say I really do think Reed or a veteran would be huge for the Pats in the secondary. Whether that is Grimes or Reed and most likely keep Talib, however I do think they go secondary in the first. Banks vs Elam depends on their FA and even if they do nothing it is still a tough decision. I could see him loving Elam as a S who can line up anywhere.

I did only project two comps...just to be on the safe side. Smith could always be an earlier comp pick, and if it is earlier Travis Long or Cornelius Washington I would put in there

I think there will be plenty of talent in the 2nd round for QB-needy teams. I mean, we could see a run on them. Every team in the top 9 or 10 needs a QB. Lots of arguments to be made there. I could see it happen. Teams have shown us they are willing to do Matt Millen moves. Still, I don't think Arians takes a QB. Glennon is the best fit for him, but I don't think they must take him.

Michael Oher is in a rough spot. Castillo (I think he will have some influence on the OL, whatever position he holds) could help improve his technique, and perhaps he becomes a LT like we wanted. If not, I would be willing to listen to offers. Oher makes almost $5M, and that's quite a bit. Depending on the draft, we might be able to get a very nice pick for him. It's worth listening to at the very least.

For the Pats...eh. I don't think they need a vet. McCourty is one anyway. I know that's not what you mean but yeah. Besides, if they sign Reed where does McCourty go? He's not a SS and neither is Reed. This is a big reason why I see it failing. McCourty's not a great CB but he's a pretty good & improving FS.

[Dubs]

I think there will be plenty of talent in the 2nd round for QB-needy teams. I mean, we could see a run on them. Every team in the top 9 or 10 needs a QB. Lots of arguments to be made there. I could see it happen. Teams have shown us they are willing to do Matt Millen moves. Still, I don't think Arians takes a QB. Glennon is the best fit for him, but I don't think they must take him.

Michael Oher is in a rough spot. Castillo (I think he will have some influence on the OL, whatever position he holds) could help improve his technique, and perhaps he becomes a LT like we wanted. If not, I would be willing to listen to offers. Oher makes almost $5M, and that's quite a bit. Depending on the draft, we might be able to get a very nice pick for him. It's worth listening to at the very least.

For the Pats...eh. I don't think they need a vet. McCourty is one anyway. I know that's not what you mean but yeah. Besides, if they sign Reed where does McCourty go? He's not a SS and neither is Reed. This is a big reason why I see it failing. McCourty's not a great CB but he's a pretty good & improving FS.

Agreed that Glennon fits Arians and Arizona and also that they do not need to pick him. I am not a huge Zona fan so I would rather them go Glennon and let him get beat up in that division. I agree fully that the logical, smart and most likely most successful pick is Fisher, just dont think Arizona has always shown that logic, even with level headed/great coaches (Wisenhunt). I am very interested in this pick though as I think it is a tone setter for how the first round of the draft may fall. If they go Glennon I could see some anxiety flowing in other war rooms. Buddy Nix and Buffalo have even said they want a QB , so Glennon may go here if passed by Arizona, or if picked Barkley could rise.

Oher is in an odd one, especially with him going into a contract year. This is what worries me most as he has extensive LT playing time, agent will more than likely push this...he may be capable there but has not shown it yet..It may be smart to trade him from that outlook. But i really want us to keep him at RT.

Lately I am not sure if the Pats follow the same traditional S method that we have or SF or many other teams. I think they almost prefer two "FS" type guys back there..I am not fully sure as I do not follow them too closely (mainly cause they annoy me) but when I do watch them they seem to prefer physicality on the corners and coverage from the safeties. It could be too much of one kinda with McCourty and Reed but I do think it fits Bill's system

[arnie_uk]

Grim are you suggesting taking datone Jones ahead of short in the first?

[GrimCoconut]

Grim are you suggesting taking datone Jones ahead of short in the first?

Not exactly. I'm really torn between both prospects. I think Datone offers a lot as does Short. There are weaknesses from both that really make it hard for me to pick one in the first. I'd almost rather trade back if they are what's left. They're talented, but I don't consider either player 1st-round talent. I was just offering another player in the same class who is pretty good and in my opinion comparable to Short.

[GrimCoconut]

Agreed that Glennon fits Arians and Arizona and also that they do not need to pick him. I am not a huge Zona fan so I would rather them go Glennon and let him get beat up in that division. I agree fully that the logical, smart and most likely most successful pick is Fisher, just dont think Arizona has always shown that logic, even with level headed/great coaches (Wisenhunt). I am very interested in this pick though as I think it is a tone setter for how the first round of the draft may fall. If they go Glennon I could see some anxiety flowing in other war rooms. Buddy Nix and Buffalo have even said they want a QB , so Glennon may go here if passed by Arizona, or if picked Barkley could rise.

Oher is in an odd one, especially with him going into a contract year. This is what worries me most as he has extensive LT playing time, agent will more than likely push this...he may be capable there but has not shown it yet..It may be smart to trade him from that outlook. But i really want us to keep him at RT.

Lately I am not sure if the Pats follow the same traditional S method that we have or SF or many other teams. I think they almost prefer two "FS" type guys back there..I am not fully sure as I do not follow them too closely ( Reply cause they annoy me) but when I do watch them they seem to prefer physicality on the corners and coverage from the safeties. It could be too much of one kinda with McCourty and Reed but I do think it fits Bill's system

I think Elam can play FS & SS. Reed would only be a band-aid on their problem. I think if Elam's there, Belichick is stupid not to draft him. I could see him take Patterson if he's there, however. The Patriots have a need at S, WR, CB, OT. Probably in that order. Vollmer's a free agent, so it's really unknown if he returns. I think it's Elam or Patterson if he's there, personally.

I hear you on Oher. I don't disagree. I don't dislike Oher at all. I think he's talented and is very versatile, but if I can get a 3rd round pick for him he's gone straight-up. He'll be making $5M almost next year. While that's not too much for a tackle, it's his final year. He's been inconsistent outside of starting every game and being a very big team player. He's a good RT & a decent LT. That's a big commodity. Some WCO team might think they can turn him around, and it's possible. Or they may use him at RT where he is proven.

I can name a few teams who could be interested, such as the Cardinals, Bears, Dolphins, Jets (if they had cap space), and those are just the first few teams I can think of right now.

[trickstar21]

no wrs wheres the joe love

[Dubs]

no wrs wheres the joe love

I wish I would have but I used alot of the picks to trade up. I really would love to see us get a WR in this draft, preferably in the top 4 rounds as I like alot of the WRs from that 2-3 range. Next mock I may put this in there.