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[News] Late For Work 1/30: Joe Flacco Wants More Money Than Peyton Manning

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Flacco getting a Peyton like $100m, $20m avg salary, is similar to Ray Rice asking for a Peterson $100m contract. Its not going to happen. During negotiations you gotta shoot for the moon. Thankfully we have the best FO and a deal will get done that the Ravens & Flacco will be happy with. Go Ravens win the SB!
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If Flacco gets 20 million then are team will never be complete. When you have a player making that much money then other areas of your team will suffer. Hope he gets a fair deal but if he breaks the bank the I'm sorry but I'll lose some respect for him. What's better 100 million dollar contract and not competing for the SB every year or a lesser contract and competing for a SB every year.
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I'll worry about Joe's contract when we are in the offseason.

As for the rest of the contents of this article - I'm done. I've grown weary of the media turning our elation into trepidation. I'll not be visiting any more sports sites, or tuning in to any more radio shows, or watching Sports Center/NFL Network. The next thing I'll see of all of this is 6 PM on Sunday when I settle in front of the TV.

This moment belongs to us ... our team and our fans ... and not to the jackals. Here's to tuning out the noise, watching the beauty of extreme competition and to feel the joy of watching our guys holding the Lombardi. Peace, out.

GO RAVENS!!!!
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Flacco is a G, he know where the money at. Nike, Gatorade, Under Armor...nah I'll get to you in a minute...but HARIBO?! GIMME DAT GUMMY BEAR CONTRACT! lol

Those are the greatest gummy bears in history though
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Eli Manning type contract is the highest Oz will go. No way Flacco gets a $20mil/year deal. Anyway.. only 4 days until Sunday!
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Flacco is now the spokesman for my favorite candy?!?!?!

Everything is going according to the master plan.
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Oz will get it squared away no doubt. Just like he said - 'I did the Suggs deal'...'I did the Ngata deal'...'I did the Ray Rice deal'...etc etc. He will have a fair deal.

But just for the record, if Joe Flacco wins big on Sunday, he will have just as many playoff wins as Peyton.

My second point for the record, he already has more playoff wins than all other QBs not named Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger. Why all the sudden the conversation is about regular season QB comparisons to playoff QB comparisons...or the lack there of on that component is beyond me.

Finally, for all those who will make the uneducated argument of 'Well he's been leaning on the defense all these years...' I ask you[list]
[*]What happened in 2001 - 2007?
[*]Who were the QBs in 2001 - 2007?
[*]Was there a Super Bowl defense in 2001 - 2007?
[*]How many playoff appearances did the team have from 2001 - 2007?
[*]How many playoff wins did the team have from 2001 - 2007?
[*]Is it then safe to assume that with Air McNair and Boller under center back then, this QB has taken us to new heights?
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I know it's a team effort but I'm just saying. If the argument is he leaned on the defense, why then didn't Boller and McNair get us there?
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Peyton Manning's contract is not relevant to the discussion of how much Flacco deserves.

Recall that when Peyton signed his 18 million per year contract, he was a 36 year old coming off of a neck injury, and he hadn't played in a year, and nobody really knew how good he would be and if he would be durable enough to play a whole season. Frankly, he was a bit of a gamble.

In his previous season of play prior to that contract, 2010, he had his worst season since 2002. Most INTs since 2002, lowerst passer rating since 2002, worst regular season record since 2002, first time under 7 yards per attempt since his rookie season, one and done in the play-offs (losing at home in the Wild Card round for the first time in his career).

There were a lot of reasons he shouldn't have gotten MVP/GOAT/Highest-Paid-QB-In-The-League type money in that contract, and yet he still commanded one of the largest contracts, but frankly the contract he got in that scenario SHOULDN'T have been as high as the contract Flacco gets in THIS scenario.
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Look how long it took for Manning to get the kinda money he got. Joe your a good young player but the team comes first, you most definitely didn't do it all yourself, it's a team sport and there were rookies this yr that actually played better statisticly. Far too many on and off games for a 5th yr player. Wr have really shined here in the playoffs so give them alot of credit, Boldin has been lights out and might just have the best hands I've seen. o-line has played very well, should have been the starting line-up throughout the yr but Cam is a nitwit with now vision to utilize players talent. So idk I'm just saying he can't in his right mind really honestly believe he should be paid top 5 qb money. That would just be a travisty and horrible mistake on our part in the long run.
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[quote name='DMAC' timestamp='1359560866' post='1335330']
If Flacco gets 20 million then are team will never be complete. When you have a player making that much money then other areas of your team will suffer. Hope he gets a fair deal but if he breaks the bank the I'm sorry but I'll lose some respect for him. What's better 100 million dollar contract and not competing for the SB every year or a lesser contract and competing for a SB every year.
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LMAO, first of all...until a few weeks ago, you could count the number of people who had respect for Joe Flacco on one hand. and all but maybe 3 people on this site (including myself) "lose respect" for basically anybody that makes more than $8 an hour, so somehow...i dont think Flacco will be bothered.

And the Broncos look pretty complete to me.
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Callahan09: Did you REALLY just try to compare Flacco to Manning??? Please be joking man. Manning earned his money. Multiple 4,000 py seasons, MVP awards, Many seasons with OVER 25 pass td, A SB victory. There is no camparison man. Joe wasn't in the top 10 in any catigory I believe besides maybe yrds per comp. Idk I'm just a fond believer in EARNING things. If we win the SB like I know we will it won't be just because Joe I can guarantee you that. D will win this game.
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[quote name='FLBoyRaven' timestamp='1359562180' post='1335347']
Look how long it took for Manning to get the kinda money he got. Joe your a good young player but the team comes first, you most definitely didn't do it all yourself, it's a team sport and there were rookies this yr that actually played better statisticly. Far too many on and off games for a 5th yr player. Wr have really shined here in the playoffs so give them alot of credit, Boldin has been lights out and might just have the best hands I've seen. o-line has played very well, should have been the starting line-up throughout the yr but Cam is a nitwit with now vision to utilize players talent. So idk I'm just saying he can't in his right mind really honestly believe he should be paid top 5 qb money. That would just be a travisty and horrible mistake on our part in the long run.
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This is dumb. you basically just said Joe shouldnt get paid because he's on a football team.
Yo havent said anything here that isnt true of any other QB playing at a high level.
ALL QBs need people who can catch, ALL QBs need a line to protect them, ALL QBs need a creative OC.

i invite you my friend, to the Gisele Bundchen school of football
[url="http://youtu.be/67oHwqzR4yM?t=16s"]http://youtu.be/67oHwqzR4yM?t=16s[/url]
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[quote name='FLBoyRaven' timestamp='1359562764' post='1335354']
Callahan09: Did you REALLY just try to compare Flacco to Manning??? Please be joking man. Manning earned his money. Multiple 4,000 py seasons, MVP awards, Many seasons with OVER 25 pass td, A SB victory. There is no camparison man. Joe wasn't in the top 10 in any catigory I believe besides maybe yrds per comp. Idk I'm just a fond believer in EARNING things. If we win the SB like I know we will it won't be just because Joe I can guarantee you that. D will win this game.
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I see that you completely failed to comprehend the meaning behind my comment. I was talking about how Peyton's contract didn't exactly come at a time when he was peaking and at the prime of his career. It didn't come after a good season, or a demonstration of improvement. It came after a season he couldn't even play due to a nearly career-ending injury, and following the last season he did play being his worst in the past 9 years. It was a gamble of a contract and didn't represent the kind of contract he would have gotten had he been on the open market in, say, 2007. You can look at his career accolades all you want, I'm not saying Peyton's career hasn't been better than Joe's, I'm just saying that Peyton's contract wasn't as high as it would have been had those other factors not been involved. You can't just say, well, Peyton was amazing a few years ago... you have to consider what he will do DURING THE CONTACT HE IS ABOUT TO SIGN. And recent history did not lend one to believing that he would be playing his best football during this current contract.
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I hope the ravens re-sign cary williams , ed reed and paul kruger

cary williams and paul kruger on 4-5 year deals
ed reed on a 1-2 year deal because we cant afford to lose ed reed and ray lewis in the same year
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[quote name='easternshore97' timestamp='1359561783' post='1335343']
Oz will get it squared away no doubt. Just like he said - 'I did the Suggs deal'...'I did the Ngata deal'...'I did the Ray Rice deal'...etc etc. He will have a fair deal.

But just for the record, if Joe Flacco wins big on Sunday, he will have just as many playoff wins as Peyton.

My second point for the record, he already has more playoff wins than all other QBs not named Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger. Why all the sudden the conversation is about regular season QB comparisons to playoff QB comparisons...or the lack there of on that component is beyond me.

Finally, for all those who will make the uneducated argument of 'Well he's been leaning on the defense all these years...' I ask you[list]
[*]What happened in 2001 - 2007?
[*]Who were the QBs in 2001 - 2007?
[*]Was there a Super Bowl defense in 2001 - 2007?
[*]How many playoff appearances did the team have from 2001 - 2007?
[*]How many playoff wins did the team have from 2001 - 2007?
[*]Is it then safe to assume that with Air McNair and Boller under center back then, this QB has taken us to new heights?
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I know it's a team effort but I'm just saying. If the argument is he leaned on the defense, why then didn't Boller and McNair get us there?
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I get what you're saying, and I did a little comparison of some key factors...

Between 2001-2007, the Ravens allowed 290.6 yards per game, and had 1.99 takeaways per game, while our quarterbacks threw 1.009 interceptions per game.

Between 2008-2012, the Ravens allowed 304.1 yards per game, and had 1.80 takeaways per game, while our quarterbacks threw 0.725 interceptions per game.

So we were giving up about the same number of points per game, and fewer yards per game, while at the same time they going onto the field more because our QBs were turning the ball over a lot more, and our QBs were putting up fewer TDs despite getting the ball more as a result of takeaways.

Flacco has put the defense back on the field due to interceptions at a much lower rate, he has benefited from fewer takeaways getting him back on the field, and his defense lets the opposing team eat up clock and churn out more yards... and yet has had a lot more success, both in his personal numbers, and in terms of leading our team to wins. I'd say that speaks volumes.
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I'm sick to my stomach about what's going on with the media. The Ravens are getting TRASHED from every single angle! It's literally sickening.

Every news about the Ravens is something negative: "Flacco not elite, wants too much money"; "Lewis used illegal substances"; "Flacco said 'retarded' (though it was completely out of context)". And those are only from the official NFL page, which I so far had hoped was objective and impartial. Well, I guess not.

The only talk about 49ers is how Kaepernick is the QB of the future and how the Ravens will never be able to stop him and how Moss won(?!) the media day (he said the exact same thing Flacco did, but Flacco is only getting crap for saying he is the best). Basically NFL official media says that 49ers are the World Champions of everything and everyone. Can't find ANYTHING negative about 49ers, nada!

Talk about media being biased! It's pathetic! so called "professionals". It's like the media tries to distract our players on purpose so they wouldn't focus on the game. The only way media could go lower than this is if they started bringing up Torrey and Ed's brothers deaths or dig up some skank who claims to be the mother of one of the Ravens' players child or something. Wouldn't surprise me at this point, tough.

I was whole hearted Ravens fan before, but now I'm burning with frustration and grave for the Ravens to win the SB! Go out there guys, destroy the 49ers, shock the whole world and those so called experts, make everyone forget about Kaep-whatever and show the world what the Ravens are really all about!!!
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Kudos to Dameshek for manning up enough to admit he was wrong. And shame on him for being an idiot in the first place.

One way or another, Joe will be staying in Baltimore. But probably not to the tune of $20 million a year...need money to pay the line that keeps him upright, and need to focus on defense (not saying the defense is bad, just old/retiring/entering free agency)...
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I've been reading about Alex Smith QB of San Fran,I think it's terrible that when someone gets hurt and another QB takes over they can't get their job back when they get better because that backup QB is a little better,I hope we rattle Kaepernick so bad he has to sit out the rest of the Super Bowl,I know it's about business but when I was laid off from my job they had to find 3 people to replace me and not only that but the business folded up,they ask me to come back but told them I'm not interested,Alex will find a better job on another team
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[quote name='easternshore97' timestamp='1359561783' post='1335343'] Oz will get it squared away no doubt. Just like he said - 'I did the Suggs deal'...'I did the Ngata deal'...'I did the Ray Rice deal'...etc etc. He will have a fair deal. But just for the record, if Joe Flacco wins big on Sunday, he will have just as many playoff wins as Peyton. My second point for the record, he already has more playoff wins than all other QBs not named Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger. Why all the sudden the conversation is about regular season QB comparisons to playoff QB comparisons...or the lack there of on that component is beyond me. Finally, for all those who will make the uneducated argument of 'Well he's been leaning on the defense all these years...' I ask you[list] [*]What happened in 2001 - 2007? [*]Who were the QBs in 2001 - 2007? [*]Was there a Super Bowl defense in 2001 - 2007? [*]How many playoff appearances did the team have from 2001 - 2007? [*]How many playoff wins did the team have from 2001 - 2007? [*]Is it then safe to assume that with Air McNair and Boller under center back then, this QB has taken us to new heights? [/list] I know it's a team effort but I'm just saying. If the argument is he leaned on the defense, why then didn't Boller and McNair get us there? [/quote] [quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1359563490' post='1335364'] I get what you're saying, and I did a little comparison of some key factors... Between 2001-2007, the Ravens allowed 290.6 yards per game, and had 1.99 takeaways per game, while our quarterbacks threw 1.009 interceptions per game. Between 2008-2012, the Ravens allowed 304.1 yards per game, and had 1.80 takeaways per game, while our quarterbacks threw 0.725 interceptions per game. So we were giving up about the same number of points per game, and fewer yards per game, while at the same time they going onto the field more because our QBs were turning the ball over a lot more, and our QBs were putting up fewer TDs despite getting the ball more as a result of takeaways. Flacco has put the defense back on the field due to interceptions at a much lower rate, he has benefited from fewer takeaways getting him back on the field, and his defense lets the opposing team eat up clock and churn out more yards... and yet has had a lot more success, both in his personal numbers, and in terms of leading our team to wins. I'd say that speaks volumes. [/quote]

Impressive. I hadn't even done that assessment. And what's really important is that the only real stud season the defense had in the Flacco era was the 2008 season. And of course he leaned that year cause he was a rookie...with Mark Clayton and Derrick Mason as the wide receiver corps....But like you've shown statistically, the defense was better then from '01-'07 and I don't even know if we got more than 1 playoff win in those 7 seasons.

Perhaps we should go take over ESPN First Take or any of the shows on ESPN, because those guys are clearly only paid to talk about what "sounds right" as opposed to really pointing out the key aspects and right comparisons
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The way Ray Rice wanted Adrian Peterson money? I hate reading the rumors during contract negotiations. Screw you, La Canfora.
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If that was real then much respect to Dave Dameshek. He's the only person I've ever seen do that, Skip Bayless would never! Not only because he can't leave his desk without looking awkward, but because of his pure hatred for Baltimore.
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I think the Broncos should be paying Peyton more cash. He's good all around. I think they kept the cash down to 18 million because they weren't sure how he was going to perform after that neck injury. I'm sure he will get more money the next time around if he continues to play after his next contract is up.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1359564596' post='1335380']
If that was real then much respect to Dave Dameshek. He's the only person I've ever seen do that, Skip Bayless would never! Not only because he can't leave his desk without looking awkward, but because of his pure hatred for Baltimore.
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That is just so strange and beyond me that a "journalist" or whatever some of these guys call themselves would have such a hatred for a team over un-impressive stats. I feel like that's his gripe. He wants to see great stats.

Maybe it's just me that finds that to be so bizarre. He is still talking about how we 'were in danger of losing our last 6 out of 7'....he's just so stuck on that...so angry about that for whatever reason.

We should all stop talking about that guy. I never thought I'd say this about anyone, but he's a bigger hater than Jim Rome.
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Regarding Joe's contract. I am sure Joe's agent is saying to Ozzie that it really does not matter what the regular season stats say because he gets us to the playoffs every year and has been outplaying great quarterbacks like Manning and Brady in back to back years when he gets there. I then say...ok give Joe his money....but make it contingent on that. In order for Joe to make the full 20 million he must:
1. Get us to the playoffs every year
2. When in a playoff game - he must outplay the opposing quarterback by having a better quarterback rating.

Notice I did not say win the playoff game because that would not be fair because of fumbles, missed kicks, etc. If that is the arguement that his agent is going to make then put your money where your mouth is. If those two things don't happen, pay him the following year the same pay as the quarterback who had the closest regular season stats to Joe. Seems simple to me.

Of course I am just being funny here, only because I have never been a fan of big long term guarenteed contracts. That is why I love Ozzie, he always seems to know what is best.
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[quote name='Waka Flocka Flacco' timestamp='1359560561' post='1335326']
Flacco getting a Peyton like $100m, $20m avg salary, is similar to Ray Rice asking for a Peterson $100m contract. Its not going to happen. During negotiations you gotta shoot for the moon. Thankfully we have the best FO and a deal will get done that the Ravens & Flacco will be happy with. Go Ravens win the SB!
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Thank you. At least someone gets it. I still remember last off season, when everyone was almost demanding for FO to trade Rice. There is no need to bash Joe Flacco or Ray Rice for wanting to get paid and allowing their agents to set up negotations with sometimes overblown rumors.
The FO and it's players tend to settle for money, that other comparable players make (for Ray it was Arian Foster, I think). Joe will get a little bit more then what Eli Manning gets now (16-17 million is probably what Joe will end up getting). I think it's very obvious and everyone should see that coming.
Joe has gone on record saying, that he wants to play for the Ravens for a long time. Plus, Flacco seems to enjoy the company of the players the Ravens drafted around him. Rice, Pitta, Torrey all young players that have great report with Joe.
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Go get your money Joe Flacco!!! He's not a business man; He's a business, man. Some of you fans are off your rockers to think that Flacco should turn down money in a league that dosen't give out guaranteed contracts.
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PolishRifle:

Two problems with what you are saying though:

1. Everybody would agree that Flacco earned more money from his contract this season, and arguably significantly more. They could have realistically probably signed him for $15 million a year this past offseason (reports say Flacco was asking for 17). But they didn't.

I suspect the franchise tag is coming this offseason. Which means, Flacco will have 2013 again to help or hurt his financial impact. If say, in theory, the Ravens get back to a SB again next year, do you realize how much Flacco can demand in a contract then? The minimum average annual contract would START at $20 million.

By not signing Flacco this past offseason, I think the FO gambled with Flacco's abilities, and pretty much lost.

2. I said the moment it happened that I thought Ray Rice's deal would be a big problem for this FO long-term. We historically have never had to worry much about giving big contracts to RBs or QBs, let alone both. There is no chance he is playing at a $7 million level in three years when his contract gets closer to expiring, and I certainly don't think he's worth $6-7 million more than Bernard Pierce based on their play this season.

This is unchartered territory for this FO, and I'm dying to see how they handle it. There will certainly be a lot of roster cuts and people leaving who we would like to see stay because of these contracts.
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Jason La Canfora of CBSSports.com - just wondering how he got the inside track on what Joe wants? Flacco has been pretty tight lipped and I truly believe he has focused on the playoffs and Super Bowl, not his contract. One thing I agree on - Joe is a horse - he has been put on his back so many times this season without injury - I think that is a huge factor. He is not like "Big" Ben - always hurt.
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Since Caldwell took over, Flacco has been playing LIKE an "elite" QB. I am not saying he is one by no means. Flacco has carried this team in the playoffs, and our defense. But without Flacco, we wouldn't be in the superbowl. He has 8 TD's and NO INTERCEPTIONS. Ray Rice hasn't done very much in the playoffs. Pierce had more yards than him last game. Boldin has been playing awesome, but have you noticed the placement of those balls that he has caught??? Flacco has been lights out, along with our defense and O-Line. If you look at Peyton Manning, he always has great protection. He has always had a great reciever to make him look good as well, so don't say the only reason Flaccco looks good is because of Boldin. And to say that he doesn't deserve big money because of regular season is bull. What does Flacco do better than almost any QB in the playoffs? He WINS. That is the most important stat out of all of them. He almost has more wins than peyton manning in the playoffs, and if he wins the superbowl, he will be tied. How many years has Peyton been in the league compared to Joe? And if Caldwell is our Cordinator next season, i gurarentee that flacco throws over 4,000 and possibly 30 TDs. My question to you, Where are all those QB's that put up better stats than Flacco right now??? Ohh yeah home on the couch, or in the stands watching Flacco play in the Superbowl. I don't care what his stats are, He wins the big games, he plays very very well under pressure, and can do everything that you want from a QB.

By the way, the last time the Colts "creamed" us was back in 2008, when they beat us 30-3 or something like that. Since then, they have been very close games. Flacco is a player, and he is a winner.
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If flacco plays like he does in the playoffs all year then he'll have about 4,500 yds passing and 40 tds. Those are crazy numbers and worth all the money he going to get. I want Flacco for many more years. I like winning and he wins. his numbers might not be consistent year to year but he wins 10 or more games a year. And the way the league has been in recent years even if you win 8-9 games you still have a good chance of making the playoffs (except in afc North) I still we have one of the toughest division to make it to the playoffs.
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Just yesterday, they were saying that Flacco wanted Drew Brees money. Knowing Joe, he hasn't said anything but, he wasn't concerned about his contract while the season is on-going. That the contract situation would take care of it self. As Ozzie Newsome has stated, Joe Flacco will be with the Ravens and under contract. Whatever he gets paid will be "Flacco Money"!
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Yes, the Ravens have problems, because they are about to sign a Superbowl caliber QB, but need cap space left to sign a great TE in Dennis Pitta and promising young WR in Torrey Smith in the near future. Oh, did I forget to mention, that we have Anquan Boldin on our roster? I am sure the hearts of Jets fans are bleeding for us right now. It's hard to be a Ravens fan sometimes. Aww, who am I kidding? I LOVE IT!!!
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if AMERICA is tiring of RAY.... that means it is tired of seeing someone who has worked so hard to achieve great things. That used to be calld the AMREICAN DREAM.

We are becoming a culture who wants things handed to us. Ray has made no apologies for his success and in fact is not afraid to be clear on the fact that his success has been attributed to his desire to out work other people.

In a fastfood culture always looking for shortcuts - Ray Lewis is a constant reminder that success is tied to work.... His very presence reminds and challenges people to work harder and to not be lazy... if AMERICA is tiring of that ... of someone who has lived that DREAM...well that says a lot about the state of our union!

Ray should be a model of how to work hard and not let adversity or obstacles of any kind stand in your way.... He has done what many people only dream of .... if that bothers people it has more to do with envy than fatigue!
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I expect to have Joe back... and Joe has been consistently a good QB but $20 million per season avg? There are only 3 other QB's in that range
1. BRADY
2. BREES
3. PEYTON (who is actually a little less)

Joe is good -in fact one can argue that Joe is really good but no one will put Joe in that top three catagory yet? Joe will need to do more then just win the super bowl... like someone pointed out DILFER did that for us...

Joe will need to be the super bowl MVP and make it clear that he was the reason for the championship. We can win with JOE and he should be paid like a top QB in this league but not top 3....

Litna (JOE's agent) needs a little perspective here!
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Flacco has been incredible this post-season, but the man is delusional if he wants Manning money. If he played like this all season long then yes, give it to him. But did you watch all of his games this year? He doesn't do this every week, some of the games were downright awful. Manning is in the conversation for best QB of all time and Flacco wants more than him? I love Flacco, he's been fantastic, but that might be the single most ridiculous thing I've heard all season.
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[quote name='steelcityraven' timestamp='1359569507' post='1335483']
I expect to have Joe back... and Joe has been consistently a good QB but $20 million per season avg? There are only 3 other QB's in that range
1. BRADY
2. BREES
3. PEYTON (who is actually a little less)
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Brady's pretty over rated at this point in his career.
Over the past two years he has consistently performed poorly/lost against the steelers, Giants, US, Cardinals, Seahawks....a pretty disturbing trend considering that those are the only Good defense he's been scheduled against in that time frame.
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ok three things and they all fall under the heading of "Who's that idiot and why do we care?"
Starting with Jason La Canfora. Joe isnt talking about his contract and neither is his agent so how would Canfora know. He doesnt! He's just speculating.
Second is Mitch Ross. He's just some bottom feeder trying to get some of Rays "media scraps" to help his career.
Third is another maggot named Dave Dameshek. Like Flacco or anyone would remember this toads proclamation about the Ravens not getting to the Superbowl. Flacco was like "who are you?" Then this guy goes after Flacco's dad.
All three are insignifcant bugs and should think about new careers.
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Dameshek is a clown haha.
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He really is a biased moron. I am watching the NFL.com coverage and of course he has the Niners destroying us. Cannot wait until the Ravens prove him wrong again.
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Anybody comparing his contract to Manning's is already making a big mistake. You don't really grasp the concept of what the contract is for.

Peyton Manning's contract was paid by a team that defined the word "desperate" and his contract was also indicative of the costs of a player who is easily within 5 years of being out of the league, and likely much sooner. It was also a contract for a guy who just came off of extremely major surgery.

He's 36, and Denver paid him substantially more than every other team on planet. They frontloaded his deal, and they can basically get out of it after year 3 for practically nothing.

Do you really think Peyton Manning is making $20 million from Denver because they think he procedues $20 million worth of value to their franchise? They paid him for his past, not for his future. And when he doesn't win them a SB (and he won't) they will regret that deal in 5 years.

The difference between the two is night and day. Flacco hasn't peaked yet, and Manning's arrow is pointing down, not up, regardless of how great his statistical (regular season) numbers were this season.

I don't think Flacco should get $20 million, but I'm not pretending like it's unfathomable. Your guys problem is you are comparing 2013 Joe Flacco to 2005 Peyton Manning. That's not very smart.
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Meh, if America is tired of Ray Lewis and the Ravens then let them be tired. It's not like its a big change from business as usual.
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