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[ravefan52]

My 1st Mock: http://boards.baltim...l__+when +watch


2013 Free Agency

Resign: Flacco, Ellerbe, Reed, Mckinnie, Pitta, Dickson, Art Jones, McBean

FA signings: Veteran NT, veteran center

Restructures: Leach


2013 NFL Draft

TRADE our 1st round pick for an early-2^nd, early-4^th,and a 6th

2) Matt Elam 5-10 202, S, Florida- Ed will be back in the NFL and I really hope it’s with us. He is still one of the best and having a good young safety to learn from him would be ideal. Elam is an underrated playmaker who is all over the field and can lineup anywhere. He can roam deep and play centerfield as well as match up one on one against any receiver and even blitzes well too. I love him in run support and he is great at getting into the backfield. He’s a big hitter and has room to improve as an overall tackler. Elam plays with great intensity and passion. His instincts can make him a special player.

TRADE our 3rd, early 4th (from previous trade), and 6th to move up into the mid-2^nd

2) Arthur Brown 6-1 228, ILB, Kansas State- The ILB position will need some more help next season. Brown is an underrated player who could fall due to his size. He’s one of my favorite players in the draft because there is a lot he can do. He plays with great instincts and recognizes a lot of plays. He has good speed to get there once he recognizes it and is a really solid tackler. Brown also takes on blockers really well in the run game and knows how to use his hands. He plays well in coverage too. He would be a great addition to a group of inside linebackers which should include Ellerbe and McClain. McClain is too slow in coverage and Brown is very solid there and has great speed.

2) Quinton Patton 6-0 202, WR, Louisiana Tech- Patton is one of my top six receivers. He’s a natural athlete and a smooth route runner. He isn’t afraid to go over the middle and take a hit and those underneath routes could help open up some throws for other receivers over the top. He is also really good at picking up yards after the catch. He has excellent body control and can make great acrobatic sideline catches. Patton has good hands and has a lot of the traits of a number one receiver. He could go higher, but teams could shy away because the lack of being a deep threat. He was a stud in the Senior Bowl practices. I like our receivers, but sometimes they struggle to get open. While I like Doss and Williams as young receivers they aren’t proven. If Boldin leaves soon we could be left with a struggling receiving core and Patton would take on his role well.

TRADE our 5^th and 6^th to move up.

4 comp) Chris Faulk 6-6 325, OT, LSU- Faulk has a lot potential to be our LT for the future. Joe is amazing when he has good protection and our offense is unstoppable. Faulk has the strength and anchor to deal with bull rushes and the quickness and flexibility for edge rushers. I think its good he has gone up against the top competition in college which will help him be ready for the speed at the next level. He blocks well in run game and in pass protection. Faulk has the quickness and length to play on the left side in the NFL.

4) Tyrann Mathieu 5-9 179, CB, LSU- Big character concerns, but could be a star if he stays on the right track. What I love most about him is he has everything you can’t teach including instincts, athleticism and playmaking ability. We can teach him better technique, but a lot of it is already there. Whether he lines up at corner, safety, or returner he’s a threat on every play. Our defense hasn’t been the dominant D we are used to seeing this year, but we have made so many plays when we needed to and that’s what Mathieu brings to the table. I also think he is on the right track now.

If Mathieu runs into more trouble or for some reason or we think he will, I have a different pick:
Robert Alford 5-10 186, CB Southeastern Louisiana- Alford played well in the senior bowl practices and game and he seemed to get better every day. He flips his hips really well in man and can go strive for strive with anyone. He is really quick in his backpedal and moving laterally. Doesn’t have great long speed, but its good enough. He locates the ball really well and has great ball skills and instincts. I think he has the quickness to be a really good slot corner and could also play on the outside. He would also provide depth.

5 comp) Vance McDonald 6-4 262, TE, Rice- McDonald impressed me during the senior bowl with his physicality while blocking and running routes. He is also really athletic and has decent speed. I think he will need to work on catching, but has soft hands and a huge catching radius. Could [profanity deleted] some muscle. I think he has the potential to be a Pitta-type player. I also think we get Pitta and Dickson back, but It would be smart to add a young tight end who could develop for a few years.


6 comp) Meshak Williams 6-3 245, OLB Kansas State- Williams is a good pass rusher who played a lot of defensive end at K-state. He played really well against Lane Johnson this year showing his ability to get to the quarterback and hold his own ground in the run game. I think OLB is a need if Kruger leaves. I love Sizzle and Upshaw and I think McClellan is a solid backup, but Hamilton and McAdoo are both unproven and pass rushers are really important. I also like Cornelius Washington or Keith Pough if they are here

7) Josh Boyd 6-3 312, NT/DE, Mississippi State. NT a big need for us, but drafting one early could be a huge hit-or-miss. I think we sign a vet (I like McBean too) and I also think we believe we can find a good one late. Not sure if it is Boyd, but I do like him. He gets off the snap pretty quickly and stands his ground. He performed pretty well at the Senior Bowl after a bad final season.

Edited by ravefan52, 27 January 2013 - 05:45 PM.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

You cannot trade Comp picks, but good draft otherwise

[ravefan52]

You cannot trade Comp picks, but good draft otherwise

Ok so just switch those for the non comp ones. Thanks

[CapoRocky]

It seems every year trades cloud our ability to accurately predict the draft. I'd say we stay put for an ILB such as T'eo or Minter. I'd love to see us get more help on the D-line or pass rush. I'm not sure if we can re-sign all the potential FAs. One thing we won't do is go after a high priced one.

[GrimCoconut]

I like some of your picks a lot. Big fan of Boyd. I love Elam, Brown, Faulk & Patton. It's up in the air whether some of them will be there but that's OK. I know it's hard to predict draft position. Still, Faulk shouldn't be there in the 4th.

I really like Alford & Mathieu. A lot. I also like Williams and McDonald. Both are solid prospects. This is a nice draft.

[pitchblack_20]

If we get 4 comp picks, you still have a 5th and 6th. Any suggestions ?

[Free Agent]

Regardless of whether or not Ed Reed is resigned, I think Elam and Brown would be ideal selections with our first two picks. I also like taking a flier on Mathieu, although the 4th round may be a little early at this point.

[Corvus Amplus]

I say you've done your homework, or just look around the thread and see the love for Elam, Brown, and Patton, which are all legit picks.

1) For Elam, I doubt he will fall into the 2nd round or even in our 1st round spot because there's a lot of teams who need safeties like Denver, Dallas, San Francisco. However, if we land Elam, I would be satisfied that we got a hard hitting playmaking safety who can patrol the back area. He reminds me more of Sean Taylor than Ed Reed. I believe Pollard and Elam are going to be called the Roger Goodell's fan club due to the excessive amount of fines they will bring in.

2) Brown has been getting a lot of love due to his ability to shed tackles while weighing around 230 lbs. He's more of a middle linebacker who can stuff the run, but pass coverage isn't his strong suit. I believe low 2nd to early 3rd is a good range because linebackers who can defend the pass like Luke Keuchly will get drafted sooner than later.

3) Patton is the WR I like too, but his draft stock has been soaring because he might be the most polished WR coming in the draft. He doesn't have anything flashy, but his technique sets him apart for everyone. He will contribute right away and could be a very productive WR3 in his rookie year. I feel like Patton might be gone in the mid 2nd round because there's a lot of team who need WR help.

4) Chris Faulk is going to slide due to a knee injury that cost his season. There will be a lot of question about him, but I think there will be plenty of good talents in the 4th round, so I think the 5th round would be a good spot to check out Chris Faulk.

5) The Honey Badger, I like him, but he also is out of football for an year. There will be a hype for him, but I say we go for the established talents first, then get the questionable ones later. I think Mathieu's best fit will be in a Tampa Two scheme where another small corner (Tim Jennings) had a Pro-Bowl year. However, I would also think he could fit slot.

Edited by Corvus Amplus, 27 January 2013 - 05:28 PM.

[ravefan52]

Regardless of whether or not Ed Reed is resigned, I think Elam and Brown would be ideal selections with our first two picks. I also like taking a flier on Mathieu, although the 4th round may be a little early at this point.

He could go anywhere from the 4th-6th. Also its at the very end of the 4th so its almost worth the same as an early 5th

[ravefan52]

I say you've done your homework, or just look around the thread and see the love for Elam, Brown, and Patton, which are all legit picks.

1) For Elam, I doubt he will fall into the 2nd round or even in our 1st round spot because there's a lot of teams who need safeties like Denver, Dallas, San Francisco. However, if we land Elam, I would be satisfied that we got a hard hitting playmaking safety who can patrol the back area. He reminds me more of Sean Taylor than Ed Reed. I believe Pollard and Elam are going to be called the Roger Goodell's fan club due to the excessive amount of fines they will bring in.

2) Brown has been getting a lot of love due to his ability to shed tackles while weighing around 230 lbs. He's more of a middle linebacker who can stuff the run, but pass coverage isn't his strong suit. I believe low 2nd to early 3rd is a good range because linebackers who can defend the pass like Luke Keuchly will get drafted sooner than later.

3) Patton is the WR I like too, but his draft stock has been soaring because he might be the most polished WR coming in the draft. He doesn't have anything flashy, but his technique sets him apart for everyone. He will contribute right away and could be a very productive WR3 in his rookie year. I feel like Patton might be gone in the mid 2nd round because there's a lot of team who need WR help.

4) Chris Faulk is going to slide due to a knee injury that cost his season. There will be a lot of question about him, but I think there will be plenty of good talents in the 4th round, so I think the 5th round would be a good spot to check out Chris Faulk.

5) The Honey Badger, I like him, but he also is out of football for an year. There will be a hype for him, but I say we go for the established talents first, then get the questionable ones later. I think Mathieu's best fit will be in a Tampa Two scheme where another small corner (Tim Jennings) had a Pro-Bowl year. However, I would also think he could fit slot.

Ive done my homework. If you look at my first mock(listed at the top) I was one of the first to put in Elam and Brown. I also loved Patton before anyone else was talking about him and before he lit up the senior bowl.

I love your comment about Goodell's fan club hahah. Also you said take the more established guy instead of Mathieu. What do you think about Alford? I love him. And I think Mathieu can fit in our scheme.

[Purple_ICE 81]

My 1st Mock: http://boards.baltim...l__+when +watch


2013 Free Agency

Resign: Flacco, Ellerbe, Reed, Mckinnie, Pitta, Dickson, Art Jones, McBean

FA signings: Veteran NT, veteran center

Restructures: Leach


2013 NFL Draft

TRADE our 1st round pick for an early-2^nd, early-4^th,and a 6th

2) Matt Elam 5-10 202, S, Florida- Ed will be back in the NFL and I really hope it’s with us. He is still one of the best and having a good young safety to learn from him would be ideal. Elam is an underrated playmaker who is all over the field and can lineup anywhere. He can roam deep and play centerfield as well as match up one on one against any receiver and even blitzes well too. I love him in run support and he is great at getting into the backfield. He’s a big hitter and has room to improve as an overall tackler. Elam plays with great intensity and passion. His instincts can make him a special player.

TRADE our 3rd, early 4th (from previous trade), and 6th to move up into the mid-2^nd

2) Arthur Brown 6-1 228, ILB, Kansas State- The ILB position will need some more help next season. Brown is an underrated player who could fall due to his size. He’s one of my favorite players in the draft because there is a lot he can do. He plays with great instincts and recognizes a lot of plays. He has good speed to get there once he recognizes it and is a really solid tackler. Brown also takes on blockers really well in the run game and knows how to use his hands. He plays well in coverage too. He would be a great addition to a group of inside linebackers which should include Ellerbe and McClain. McClain is too slow in coverage and Brown is very solid there and has great speed.

2) Quinton Patton 6-0 202, WR, Louisiana Tech- Patton is one of my top six receivers. He’s a natural athlete and a smooth route runner. He isn’t afraid to go over the middle and take a hit and those underneath routes could help open up some throws for other receivers over the top. He is also really good at picking up yards after the catch. He has excellent body control and can make great acrobatic sideline catches. Patton has good hands and has a lot of the traits of a number one receiver. He could go higher, but teams could shy away because the lack of being a deep threat. He was a stud in the Senior Bowl practices. I like our receivers, but sometimes they struggle to get open. While I like Doss and Williams as young receivers they aren’t proven. If Boldin leaves soon we could be left with a struggling receiving core and Patton would take on his role well.

TRADE our 5^th comp and 6^th to move up.

4 comp) Chris Faulk 6-6 325, OT, LSU- Faulk has a lot potential to be our LT for the future. Joe is amazing when he has good protection and our offense is unstoppable. Faulk has the strength and anchor to deal with bull rushes and the quickness and flexibility for edge rushers. I think its good he has gone up against the top competition in college which will help him be ready for the speed at the next level. He blocks well in run game and in pass protection. Faulk has the quickness and length to play on the left side in the NFL.

4) Tyrann Mathieu 5-9 179, CB, LSU- Big character concerns, but could be a star if he stays on the right track. What I love most about him is he has everything you can’t teach including instincts, athleticism and playmaking ability. We can teach him better technique, but a lot of it is already there. Whether he lines up at corner, safety, or returner he’s a threat on every play. Our defense hasn’t been the dominant D we are used to seeing this year, but we have made so many plays when we needed to and that’s what Mathieu brings to the table. I also think he is on the right track now.

If Mathieu runs into more trouble or for some reason or we think he will, I have a different pick:
Robert Alford 5-10 186, CB Southeastern Louisiana- Alford played well in the senior bowl practices and game and he seemed to get better every day. He flips his hips really well in man and can go strive for strive with anyone. He is really quick in his backpedal and moving laterally. Doesn’t have great long speed, but its good enough. He locates the ball really well and has great ball skills and instincts. I think he has the quickness to be a really good slot corner and could also play on the outside. He would also provide depth.

5) Vance McDonald 6-4 262, TE, Rice- McDonald impressed me during the senior bowl with his physicality while blocking and running routes. He is also really athletic and has decent speed. I think he will need to work on catching, but has soft hands and a huge catching radius. Could [profanity deleted] some muscle. I think he has the potential to be a Pitta-type player. I also think we get Pitta and Dickson back, but It would be smart to add a young tight end who could develop for a few years.


6 comp) Meshak Williams 6-3 245, OLB Kansas State- Williams is a good pass rusher who played a lot of defensive end at K-state. He played really well against Lane Johnson this year showing his ability to get to the quarterback and hold his own ground in the run game. I think OLB is a need if Kruger leaves. I love Sizzle and Upshaw and I think McClellan is a solid backup, but Hamilton and McAdoo are both unproven and pass rushers are really important. I also like Cornelius Washington or Keith Pough if they are here

7) Josh Boyd 6-3 312, NT/DE, Mississippi State. NT a big need for us, but drafting one early could be a huge hit-or-miss. I think we sign a vet (I like McBean too) and I also think we believe we can find a good one late. Not sure if it is Boyd, but I do like him. He gets off the snap pretty quickly and stands his ground. He performed pretty well at the Senior Bowl after a bad final season.

Like the trading for 3 second rounders, although I feel like that is a bit much and a little unrealistic though.

Dont like Matt Elam with the first pick, would like him if we failed to retain Ed Reed but I think Ozzie has a plan to keep Ed. You also have Tyrann Mathieu in the later rounds-a perfect prospect to learn and grow under Reed. I would rather take Datone Jones with the first pick.

I like Arthur Brown solid pick...Dont see us grabbing a receiver until the later rounds of the draft. If we did grab a receiver in the second I feel like there are better ones then Patton-Robert Woods, Justin Hunter, we could even grab Deandre Hopkins early on. But after what Torrey, Anquan, and jacoby accomplished in the playoffs I think we will grab a receiver between rounds 4-7 to compete with Tandon Doss for the 4th spot.

I also have us taking an OT in the 4th round in my mock draft, good thinking. I dont see us grabbing a TE in the 5th round, even if we were to lose Ed dickson in FA. I think we could find a good TE UDFA or on the FA market for cheap.

Pretty nice, would be happy if this was the outcome.

[ravefan52]

If we get 4 comp picks, you still have a 5th and 6th. Any suggestions ?

If it was 4 comp picks then we would have one left. Probably a 6th or 7th and I'd go BPA, maybe a center to compete with Grad or D line. Or take the risk on a talented play with injury or off the field problems(Montori Hughes, Lattimore, Qaunterus Smith)

[ravefan52]

Like the trading for 3 second rounders, although I feel like that is a bit much and a little unrealistic though.

Dont like Matt Elam with the first pick, would like him if we failed to retain Ed Reed but I think Ozzie has a plan to keep Ed. You also have Tyrann Mathieu in the later rounds-a perfect prospect to learn and grow under Reed. I would rather take Datone Jones with the first pick.

I like Arthur Brown solid pick...Dont see us grabbing a receiver until the later rounds of the draft. If we did grab a receiver in the second I feel like there are better ones then Patton-Robert Woods, Justin Hunter, we could even grab Deandre Hopkins early on. But after what Torrey, Anquan, and jacoby accomplished in the playoffs I think we will grab a receiver between rounds 4-7 to compete with Tandon Doss for the 4th spot.

I also have us taking an OT in the 4th round in my mock draft, good thinking. I dont see us grabbing a TE in the 5th round, even if we were to lose Ed dickson in FA. I think we could find a good TE UDFA or on the FA market for cheap.

Pretty nice, would be happy if this was the outcome.

Getting a safety if Ed doesnt leave isnt a big need, but Elam or any other safety would benefit greatly from learning from him. It would also give them a year to just adjust to the game and learn the system.

Edited by ravefan52, 27 January 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[arnie_uk]

If anyone has watched opus in the playoffs they'd know we've been paying our best ball when leach is of the field and we are running either two tes or 3 wideouts.

We need another tight end, because Dickson just isn't good enough. So I'm satisfied with you drafting one who can block and pass catch. It's also why I would be upset if we took efiert in the first.

And just because we keep ed doesn't mean we ignore safety. This is the best safety class there has been in years and probably will be for years, its time to draft his potential replacement this draft.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Getting a safety if Ed doesnt leave isnt a big need, but Elam or any other safety would benefit greatly from learning from him. It would also give them a year to just adjust to the game and learn the system.

Yea but since Ed will be back Elam wouldnt do much next year, compared to someone like Datone Jones who could compete for a starting job in camp and be more affective. Then we could go out and grab Rambo or Lester in the 3rd who could as you said learn from Ed for the next season or 2.

[Purple_ICE 81]

If anyone has watched opus in the playoffs they'd know we've been paying our best ball when leach is of the field and we are running either two tes or 3 wideouts.

We need another tight end, because Dickson just isn't good enough. So I'm satisfied with you drafting one who can block and pass catch. It's also why I would be upset if we took efiert in the first.

And just because we keep ed doesn't mean we ignore safety. This is the best safety class there has been in years and probably will be for years, its time to draft his potential replacement this draft.

I tried to explain this to people last year and got very negative feedback. I had us taking Dwayne Allen in the 3rd round to be a replacement for Ed Dickson. I tried to convince people that we need 2 reliable TEs but no one seemed to like that move. But I dont see us grabbing a tight end early on in this draft maybe later on. Dennis Pitta holds it down

[ravefan52]

Yea but since Ed will be back Elam wouldnt do much next year, compared to someone like Datone Jones who could compete for a starting job in camp and be more affective. Then we could go out and grab Rambo or Lester in the 3rd who could as you said learn from Ed for the next season or 2.

I get what youre saying it just depends on who what the organization thinks is best. I love Elam but I also like guys like Rambo, Thomas and Cyprien later. This is just a thought but maybe Elam could fall a bit due to the position being so deep and teams thinking they could get one later. Elam could also be good on ST and provide good depth for both safety positions.

[Free Agent]

He could go anywhere from the 4th-6th. Also its at the very end of the 4th so its almost worth the same as an early 5th

This is true. Either way, Id be very happy to give him a shot.

[trickstar21]

My 1st Mock: http://boards.baltim...l__+when +watch


2013 Free Agency

Resign: Flacco, Ellerbe, Reed, Mckinnie, Pitta, Dickson, Art Jones, McBean

FA signings: Veteran NT, veteran center

Restructures: Leach


2013 NFL Draft

TRADE our 1st round pick for an early-2^nd, early-4^th,and a 6th

2) Matt Elam 5-10 202, S, Florida- Ed will be back in the NFL and I really hope it’s with us. He is still one of the best and having a good young safety to learn from him would be ideal. Elam is an underrated playmaker who is all over the field and can lineup anywhere. He can roam deep and play centerfield as well as match up one on one against any receiver and even blitzes well too. I love him in run support and he is great at getting into the backfield. He’s a big hitter and has room to improve as an overall tackler. Elam plays with great intensity and passion. His instincts can make him a special player.

TRADE our 3rd, early 4th (from previous trade), and 6th to move up into the mid-2^nd

2) Arthur Brown 6-1 228, ILB, Kansas State- The ILB position will need some more help next season. Brown is an underrated player who could fall due to his size. He’s one of my favorite players in the draft because there is a lot he can do. He plays with great instincts and recognizes a lot of plays. He has good speed to get there once he recognizes it and is a really solid tackler. Brown also takes on blockers really well in the run game and knows how to use his hands. He plays well in coverage too. He would be a great addition to a group of inside linebackers which should include Ellerbe and McClain. McClain is too slow in coverage and Brown is very solid there and has great speed.

2) Quinton Patton 6-0 202, WR, Louisiana Tech- Patton is one of my top six receivers. He’s a natural athlete and a smooth route runner. He isn’t afraid to go over the middle and take a hit and those underneath routes could help open up some throws for other receivers over the top. He is also really good at picking up yards after the catch. He has excellent body control and can make great acrobatic sideline catches. Patton has good hands and has a lot of the traits of a number one receiver. He could go higher, but teams could shy away because the lack of being a deep threat. He was a stud in the Senior Bowl practices. I like our receivers, but sometimes they struggle to get open. While I like Doss and Williams as young receivers they aren’t proven. If Boldin leaves soon we could be left with a struggling receiving core and Patton would take on his role well.

TRADE our 5^th and 6^th to move up.

4 comp) Chris Faulk 6-6 325, OT, LSU- Faulk has a lot potential to be our LT for the future. Joe is amazing when he has good protection and our offense is unstoppable. Faulk has the strength and anchor to deal with bull rushes and the quickness and flexibility for edge rushers. I think its good he has gone up against the top competition in college which will help him be ready for the speed at the next level. He blocks well in run game and in pass protection. Faulk has the quickness and length to play on the left side in the NFL.

4) Tyrann Mathieu 5-9 179, CB, LSU- Big character concerns, but could be a star if he stays on the right track. What I love most about him is he has everything you can’t teach including instincts, athleticism and playmaking ability. We can teach him better technique, but a lot of it is already there. Whether he lines up at corner, safety, or returner he’s a threat on every play. Our defense hasn’t been the dominant D we are used to seeing this year, but we have made so many plays when we needed to and that’s what Mathieu brings to the table. I also think he is on the right track now.

If Mathieu runs into more trouble or for some reason or we think he will, I have a different pick:
Robert Alford 5-10 186, CB Southeastern Louisiana- Alford played well in the senior bowl practices and game and he seemed to get better every day. He flips his hips really well in man and can go strive for strive with anyone. He is really quick in his backpedal and moving laterally. Doesn’t have great long speed, but its good enough. He locates the ball really well and has great ball skills and instincts. I think he has the quickness to be a really good slot corner and could also play on the outside. He would also provide depth.

5 comp) Vance McDonald 6-4 262, TE, Rice- McDonald impressed me during the senior bowl with his physicality while blocking and running routes. He is also really athletic and has decent speed. I think he will need to work on catching, but has soft hands and a huge catching radius. Could [profanity deleted] some muscle. I think he has the potential to be a Pitta-type player. I also think we get Pitta and Dickson back, but It would be smart to add a young tight end who could develop for a few years.


6 comp) Meshak Williams 6-3 245, OLB Kansas State- Williams is a good pass rusher who played a lot of defensive end at K-state. He played really well against Lane Johnson this year showing his ability to get to the quarterback and hold his own ground in the run game. I think OLB is a need if Kruger leaves. I love Sizzle and Upshaw and I think McClellan is a solid backup, but Hamilton and McAdoo are both unproven and pass rushers are really important. I also like Cornelius Washington or Keith Pough if they are here

7) Josh Boyd 6-3 312, NT/DE, Mississippi State. NT a big need for us, but drafting one early could be a huge hit-or-miss. I think we sign a vet (I like McBean too) and I also think we believe we can find a good one late. Not sure if it is Boyd, but I do like him. He gets off the snap pretty quickly and stands his ground. He performed pretty well at the Senior Bowl after a bad final season.

great draft I'd love to have this draft when I seen it I was like is this guy ozzy lol great draft

[Cville-Raven]

I like Patton, but I think we might want to get bigger at the position. I like Rogers at the bottom of the second, I think there is better chance he'll be there than Patton.