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[Purple_ICE 81]

This is pre-superbowl/pre offseason mock.

Not going to go full mock offseason until after the Superbowl. But touching on it a bit, I think Ozzie will try and retain "the big three"- Joe Flacco, Ed Reed, and Paul Kruger. I think if we retain them it will be a huge accomplishment in the offseason.

On to the draft...I see the biggest need lying on defense. Our defense has been falling apart the past few seasons and needs some new talent. I like our o-line as long as Bryant Mckinnie comes back and takes a reasonable contract like last year. And our pass rush will get better as Terrell Suggs heals, I think Kruger took a big step forward this year but could be even better when Suggs is back to being the focal point for o-lines.

We trade our 4th round pick, and our 3rd round pick for an early-mid 2nd round pick.
Ravens 2013 picks: 1...2...2...3(comp)...4(comp)...5...6...7

1- Kevin Minter ILB LSU- I think if we win the Superbowl, Ozzie goes and gets us a a ILB as a Ray-Placement haha, but of coarse it will still be hard with Ray gone and no one will ever replace him just make up for his retiring. Minter looks like a talented guy, Im skeptical he will be taken earlier in the first but seeing as this is the first mock I have him falling to us. Great instincts, good tackler, and can even cover guys decent. A little raw but he can learn behind Denelle Ellerbe and Jameel Mcclain, and add depth the the position. I think he will have good impact next season.


2- Datone Jones DE/DT UCLA - Another versatile player here, he can play DE or DT. Jones lit up the Senior Bowl practices the past week and looks like a beast, showcasing a lot of versatility. Everyone is saying clearcut first rounder with all the hype around him, but I think his talent is being overlooked a bit. He still needs work, and depending on what posisition he plays he needs size as well. I think we could move Ngata to the inside and Jones could make an impact as a DE, he can get after the QB and has great athleticism, but still lacks skill and size to be a surefire first rounder so I think he could slip to the 2nd.


2-Sharrif Floyd DT Florida- I have actually seen Floyd in a few Ravens mock drafts around the web taking him with the late second round pick. I think Floyd is a run stuffer in the making with some good raw talent. He has average strength and will have to hit the weights hard to gain that runn stuffing power, but he uses his hands and quickness to get around defenders and get after the ball. He doesnt get to the QB much but we would need him more as a run stuffer anyway, seeing how our run defense has gotten worse and worse the past couple seasons. He has a great motor to play high tempo football and has the work ethic to work and groom himself into an even better player.

Compensatory 3rd- Robert Lester S Alabama- 'Bama alumni, Newsome approved. Never thought about a superbowl contending team getting a comp 3rd but we have gotten one before. Lester is not ready to start yet in the NFL, while Ed Reed is not ready to retire from the NFL. Therefore making this a perfect opportunity to grab an above average safety who needs a little grooming before becoming a starter. And no better athlete to learn from then the ball hawk him self Reed. Lester has decent ball skills mixed with good size, physicality and speed.


Compensatory 4th- Brennan Williams OT North Carolina- Played very well his junior year with a lot of hype surrounding him as a potential first rounder. Missed most of his senior year due to a shoulder injury and still needs work. However has the raw talent to become a potential OT of the future with Bryant Mckinnie's future with the Ravens up in the air.


5- Aaron Dobson WR Marshall- With Torrey, Anquan, and Jacoby locked in as the top 3 receivers next season, Dobson could give the incumbent Tandon Doss a run for the 4th spot and could even make an impact next season. Tandon Doss got some opportunities this year but didnt play up to par except for drawing a pair of crucial P.I. penalties in Denver and New England that gave us some help. Dobson is a guy whos stock is rising, but still is projected at the bottom half of the draft. He has a big 6'3" frame the typical go up and get it big guy who has deep speed, and runs pretty good routes, and see's himself as "a complete receiver". He looks like a value in the 5th if he makes it there.


6- Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois- Fast, good footwork for a bigger DB, and actually has great hands. Thing that caught my eye about him was that he was in line to help replace Aj Jenkins after being drafted last year because of his talent at the receiver position, although he is better as a corner Not the best CB but has upside, and after last year with the fallout of Lardarius webb, and for some reason Cary williams wanting big time $ we could always use an extra corner.


7-Joe Madsen C WVU- Matt Birk may play his last game in New Orleans, if thats the case Madsen could help push Gino Gradkowski and compete for the starting job.

Edited by Purple_ICE 81, 26 January 2013 - 10:51 PM.

[GrimCoconut]

I like your first three picks and then there's a huge drop-off in my opinion. No offense.

I also don't see us getting a 3rd. Really don't. I think we may have if Grubbs went to the Pro Bowl and also met us in the Super Bowl or even made the playoffs. Since neither of those things happened, I think we get a 4th. A high 4th compensatory pick (possibly 33rd), but nothing higher than that.

I also doubt we retain Kruger. I see us keeping Ellerbe, Flacco & Reed, though. I like Lester, but he may be a SS-only.

Edit: I like Hawthorne. He's got talent.

Edited by GrimCoconut, 26 January 2013 - 10:58 PM.

[gabefergy]

Couple of things. We arent going to have a 3rd round comp pick and Floyd is a likely 1st round pick. Im not a huge Lester fan, I think there are seversl better options at safety. I like Dobson, but he will likely go much earlier as well. I like the idea of taking a couple Olineman too in the later rounds.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I like your first three picks and then there's a huge drop-off in my opinion. No offense.

I also don't see us getting a 3rd. Really don't. I think we may have if Grubbs went to the Pro Bowl and also met us in the Super Bowl or even made the playoffs. Since neither of those things happened, I think we get a 4th. A high 4th compensatory pick (possibly 33rd), but nothing higher than that.

I also doubt we retain Kruger. I see us keeping Ellerbe, Flacco & Reed, though. I like Lester, but he may be a SS-only.

Edit: I like Hawthorne. He's got talent.

Yea its the first mock, still have a lot of evaluating to do once the combine gets going, players stock is going to go up down left and right. Retaining Kruger will be tough but Ozzie never lets a good player walk out before putting an offer on the table so hopefully Kruger stays. I like Lester as a FS, thats where he was most productive at 'Bama. And yea like I said its hard to imagine us getting a 3rd rounder as compensation but its a long shot.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Couple of things. We arent going to have a 3rd round comp pick and Floyd is a likely 1st round pick. Im not a huge Lester fan, I think there are seversl better options at safety. I like Dobson, but he will likely go much earlier as well. I like the idea of taking a couple Olineman too in the later rounds.

Yea I always try and make my first mock an awesome one haha. I think if we got Minter, Jones, and Floyd we would be sittin' pretty next year. But I think all three could be gone by the second round so its a long shot. After hearing Ed Reed will be returning next season the need for safety dropped a little so I chose to get a safety a little later in the draft. If we dont retain Reed for some reason, the need sky rockets and I could see us drafting Matt Elam, or Eric Reid in the early rounds.

[GrimCoconut]

Yea I always try and make my first mock an awesome one haha. I think if we got Minter, Jones, and Floyd we would be sittin' pretty next year. But I think all three could be gone by the second round so its a long shot. After hearing Ed Reed will be returning next season the need for safety dropped a little so I chose to get a safety a little later in the draft. If we dont retain Reed for some reason, the need sky rockets and I could see us drafting Matt Elam, or Eric Reid in the early rounds.

Honestly, if we can bring back Reed (I believe it will happen), I would skip on the safeties and take Tyrann Mathieu in the 4th or 5th and have him learn under Reed to be FS. I really like Mathieu as a player and perhaps learning under Reed can help him reach his potential.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Honestly, if we can bring back Reed (I believe it will happen), I would skip on the safeties and take Tyrann Mathieu in the 4th or 5th and have him learn under Reed to be FS. I really like Mathieu as a player and perhaps learning under Reed can help him reach his potential.

He is on my radar BIG TIME. He will be in my future mocks for sure, great talent for a 4th-6 pick.

[GrimCoconut]

He is on my radar BIG TIME. He will be in my future mocks for sure, great talent for a 4th-6 pick.

How would you play Mathieu? I like him at FS. People might say he's small at 5'9", but he reminds me a lot of Ed Reed. I think he would be a good safety, even at that height. But then I believe him coming here hinges heavily on us retaining Reed. Here's a possibility in how we can move in free agency as well as in retaining Reed.

I'm also thinking that we may be able to address NT in free agency with Ratliff. A lot of people may not like his stupid DWI especially after the Brent incident, but I would take a flier on him. He might be desperate. It sounds like he's going to get cut, due to the Cowboys switching to a 4-3 from a 3-4 and the DWI. I don't see him going to the Rams since they already have Brockers. It would also be an Ozzie-type move. But that's all hyperbole, since he hasn't actually been released--yet.

I can see us restructuring Boldin for sure, and possibly Suggs and maybe Leach, with the possibility of restructuring in that order. Boldin's making a lot of money, but he provides invaluable leadership to the WR corps. Perhaps we can keep him another three years, but make it cap-friendly for at least this year. As for Suggs, he's hard to predict. He may not be willing to do it, honestly. He's just a possibility. Leach's making a lot for a FB. I don't have the numbers, but he's easily the highest-paid FB in the league, most likely. I think we might be able to get him to go for a cheaper deal. Maybe $2 million a year with a few more years added on, maybe one or two.

I really get the impression Ozzie's going to get a NT in free agency.

Edited by GrimCoconut, 27 January 2013 - 12:05 AM.

[Purple_ICE 81]

How would you play Mathieu? I like him at FS. People might say he's small at 5'9", but he reminds me a lot of Ed Reed. I think he would be a good safety, even at that height. But then I believe him coming here hinges heavily on us retaining Reed. Here's a possibility in how we can move in free agency as well as in retaining Reed.

I'm also thinking that we may be able to address NT in free agency with Ratliff. A lot of people may not like his stupid DWI especially after the Brent incident, but I would take a flier on him. He might be desperate. It sounds like he's going to get cut, due to the Cowboys switching to a 4-3 from a 3-4 and the DWI. I don't see him going to the Rams since they already have Brockers. It would also be an Ozzie-type move. But that's all hyperbole, since he hasn't actually been released--yet.

I can see us restructuring Boldin for sure, and possibly Suggs and maybe Leach, with the possibility of restructuring in that order. Boldin's making a lot of money, but he provides invaluable leadership to the WR corps. Perhaps we can keep him another three years, but make it cap-friendly for at least this year. As for Suggs, he's hard to predict. He may not be willing to do it, honestly. He's just a possibility. Leach's making a lot for a FB. I don't have the numbers, but he's easily the highest-paid FB in the league, most likely. I think we might be able to get him to go for a cheaper deal. Maybe $2 million a year with a few more years added on, maybe one or two.

I really get then impression Ozzie's going to get a NT in free agency.

Mathieu is a great athlete. He could be a safety a corner, and could even give Jacoby a run for his money in the return game (although cobe has solidified the position with his pro bowl year). I agree mathieu would be best used as a FS, too small to play on the strong side and Bernard Pollard just turned 28 last month and is locked up until 2016 and playing outstanding.

I look at Mathieu as someone with a ton of upside. Last year I hated all over Vontaze Burfict I really hated his sour attitude and lazy work ethic even though others didnt. But with the honey badger, you just cant take a way from that Heisman trophy runner up talent. He is a good player who got into some childish trouble kind of like Jimmy Smith did. But I think the thing that sets Mathieu a part is that after he was let go by LSU instead of playing for another College he chose to go to rehab and get better by his own choice. That shows that he really wanted to better himself and I think Harbaugh and Ozzie would like to hear that. And in the 6th or 7th round thats a good pick.

As far as free agency goes, Im sure Ozzie will get someone. I actually have a lot of "troubled upsiders" on my radar that need a fresh start who are almost "desperate" as you mentioned of Ratliff. Rolando Mcclain is almost certain to be released by the Raiders and has had off the filed problems in his short career so far. BUT he does have talent and could be cheap as people may pass on him. Ray Edwards is also on my radar. He used to be good, but fell off the wagon when he went to Atlanta for the big contract in 2011. He hasnt done anyhting but workouts for teams but he hasnt signed anywhere. I think he could produce for us for a cheap contract, he has to want to play somewhere and no one has signed him after the workouts he has had this year so he has to be desperate. In a nutshell Ozzie will grab a cheap free agent be it a NT, DE, LB troubled, desperate whatever Ozzie will figure something out thats best for the team. we always get 1 or 2 cheapy free agents

I would like to see us resign Boldin, I think Oz will figure out a way to get Boldin his money but keep it cap friendly-restructure...extend or what have you. leach is the highest paid fullback because there is no one better than him at the position. While I do think FBs are a dime a dozen, Leach is somewhat of a household name now and paves the way for Ray and Bernard. Suggs should be restructured because of his fall off last year...not saying tearing his achilles was his fault but you have to question his worth after this terribly injury consumed season.

Edited by Purple_ICE 81, 27 January 2013 - 12:15 AM.

[Brandon22]

This is pre-superbowl/pre offseason mock.

Not going to go full mock offseason until after the Superbowl. But touching on it a bit, I think Ozzie will try and retain "the big three"- Joe Flacco, Ed Reed, and Paul Kruger. I think if we retain them it will be a huge accomplishment in the offseason.

On to the draft...I see the biggest need lying on defense. Our defense has been falling apart the past few seasons and needs some new talent. I like our o-line as long as Bryant Mckinnie comes back and takes a reasonable contract like last year. And our pass rush will get better as Terrell Suggs heals, I think Kruger took a big step forward this year but could be even better when Suggs is back to being the focal point for o-lines.

We trade our 4th round pick, and our 3rd round pick for an early-mid 2nd round pick.
Ravens 2013 picks: 1...2...2...3(comp)...4(comp)...5...6...7

1- Kevin Minter ILB LSU- I think if we win the Superbowl, Ozzie goes and gets us a a ILB as a Ray-Placement haha, but of coarse it will still be hard with Ray gone and no one will ever replace him just make up for his retiring. Minter looks like a talented guy, Im skeptical he will be taken earlier in the first but seeing as this is the first mock I have him falling to us. Great instincts, good tackler, and can even cover guys decent. A little raw but he can learn behind Denelle Ellerbe and Jameel Mcclain, and add depth the the position. I think he will have good impact next season.


2- Datone Jones DE/DT UCLA - Another versatile player here, he can play DE or DT. Jones lit up the Senior Bowl practices the past week and looks like a beast, showcasing a lot of versatility. Everyone is saying clearcut first rounder with all the hype around him, but I think his talent is being overlooked a bit. He still needs work, and depending on what posisition he plays he needs size as well. I think we could move Ngata to the inside and Jones could make an impact as a DE, he can get after the QB and has great athleticism, but still lacks skill and size to be a surefire first rounder so I think he could slip to the 2nd.


2-Sharrif Floyd DT Florida- I have actually seen Floyd in a few Ravens mock drafts around the web taking him with the late second round pick. I think Floyd is a run stuffer in the making with some good raw talent. He has average strength and will have to hit the weights hard to gain that runn stuffing power, but he uses his hands and quickness to get around defenders and get after the ball. He doesnt get to the QB much but we would need him more as a run stuffer anyway, seeing how our run defense has gotten worse and worse the past couple seasons. He has a great motor to play high tempo football and has the work ethic to work and groom himself into an even better player.

Compensatory 3rd- Robert Lester S Alabama- 'Bama alumni, Newsome approved. Never thought about a superbowl contending team getting a comp 3rd but we have gotten one before. Lester is not ready to start yet in the NFL, while Ed Reed is not ready to retire from the NFL. Therefore making this a perfect opportunity to grab an above average safety who needs a little grooming before becoming a starter. And no better athlete to learn from then the ball hawk him self Reed. Lester has decent ball skills mixed with good size, physicality and speed.


Compensatory 4th- Brennan Williams OT North Carolina- Played very well his junior year with a lot of hype surrounding him as a potential first rounder. Missed most of his senior year due to a shoulder injury and still needs work. However has the raw talent to become a potential OT of the future with Bryant Mckinnie's future with the Ravens up in the air.


5- Aaron Dobson WR Marshall- With Torrey, Anquan, and Jacoby locked in as the top 3 receivers next season, Dobson could give the incumbent Tandon Doss a run for the 4th spot and could even make an impact next season. Tandon Doss got some opportunities this year but didnt play up to par except for drawing a pair of crucial P.I. penalties in Denver and New England that gave us some help. Dobson is a guy whos stock is rising, but still is projected at the bottom half of the draft. He has a big 6'3" frame the typical go up and get it big guy who has deep speed, and runs pretty good routes, and see's himself as "a complete receiver". He looks like a value in the 5th if he makes it there.


6- Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois- Fast, good footwork for a bigger DB, and actually has great hands. Thing that caught my eye about him was that he was in line to help replace Aj Jenkins after being drafted last year because of his talent at the receiver position, although he is better as a corner Not the best CB but has upside, and after last year with the fallout of Lardarius webb, and for some reason Cary williams wanting big time $ we could always use an extra corner.


7-Joe Madsen C WVU- Matt Birk may play his last game in New Orleans, if thats the case Madsen could help push Gino Gradkowski and compete for the starting job.

I Like Datone Jones and Robert Lester

[GrimCoconut]

Mathieu is a great athlete. He could be a safety a corner, and could even give Jacoby a run for his money in the return game (although cobe has solidified the position with his pro bowl year). I agree mathieu would be best used as a FS, too small to play on the strong side and Bernard Pollard just turned 28 last month and is locked up until 2016 and playing outstanding.

I look at Mathieu as someone with a ton of upside. Last year I hated all over Vontaze Burfict I really hated his sour attitude and lazy work ethic even though others didnt. But with the honey badger, you just cant take a way from that Heisman trophy runner up talent. He is a good player who got into some childish trouble kind of like Jimmy Smith did. But I think the thing that sets Mathieu a part is that after he was let go by LSU instead of playing for another College he chose to go to rehab and get better by his own choice. That shows that he really wanted to better himself and I think Harbaugh and Ozzie would like to hear that. And in the 6th or 7th round thats a good pick.

As far as free agency goes, Im sure Ozzie will get someone. I actually have a lot of "troubled upsiders" on my radar that need a fresh start who are almost "desperate" as you mentioned of Ratliff. Rolando Mcclain is almost certain to be released by the Raiders and has had off the filed problems in his short career so far. BUT he does have talent and could be cheap as people may pass on him. Ray Edwards is also on my radar. He used to be good, but fell off the wagon when he went to Atlanta for the big contract in 2011. He hasnt done anyhting but workouts for teams but he hasnt signed anywhere. I think he could produce for us for a cheap contract, he has to want to play somewhere and no one has signed him after the workouts he has had this year so he has to be desperate. In a nutshell Ozzie will grab a cheap free agent be it a NT, DE, LB troubled, desperate whatever Ozzie will figure something out thats best for the team. we always get 1 or 2 cheapy free agents

I would like to see us resign Boldin, I think Oz will figure out a way to get Boldin his money but keep it cap friendly-restructure...extend or what have you. leach is the highest paid fullback because there is no one better than him at the position. While I do think FBs are a dime a dozen, Leach is somewhat of a household name now and paves the way for Ray and Bernard. Suggs should be restructured because of his fall off last year...not saying tearing his achilles was his fault but you have to question his worth after this terribly injury consumed season.

Jerome Felton might be the best FB in the NFL. You can make a very solid argument for him. He's a big part of AP's rushing. But I get your point.

[ravefan52]

Were not getting a 3rd comp. The most recent ones came from Asomugha and Peppers leaving.

I like the draft for the most part. Minter and Jones are good. Floyd wont be there. Not sold on Dobson but Hawthorne could be a really good pick in the 6th.

[Brandon22]

I like your first three picks and then there's a huge drop-off in my opinion. No offense.

I also don't see us getting a 3rd. Really don't. I think we may have if Grubbs went to the Pro Bowl and also met us in the Super Bowl or even made the playoffs. Since neither of those things happened, I think we get a 4th. A high 4th compensatory pick (possibly 33rd), but nothing higher than that.

I also doubt we retain Kruger. I see us keeping Ellerbe, Flacco & Reed, though. I like Lester, but he may be a SS-only.

Edit: I like Hawthorne. He's got talent.

I Like Datone Jones In The Second and Robert Lester as our third round comp pick

[Brandon22]

Yea its the first mock, still have a lot of evaluating to do once the combine gets going, players stock is going to go up down left and right. Retaining Kruger will be tough but Ozzie never lets a good player walk out before putting an offer on the table so hopefully Kruger stays. I like Lester as a FS, thats where he was most productive at 'Bama. And yea like I said its hard to imagine us getting a 3rd rounder as compensation but its a long shot.

I Like Bacarri Rambo at Free Safety behind ed reed better

[Clutch Ravens]

I think Floyd and Jones is a little bit of over-kill on the Defensive ends. We'd then have them, Jones and McPhee which, not accounting for injury, would leave the position a little too crowded with guys expected to get extensive playing time.

I would also take Floyd ahead of Jones because, as far as I'm concerned, he played much better competition and is better at just about everything. His pass rushing numbers don't look good, but he's a very disruptive presence that is constantly and consistently making a positive impact.

[Limelight543]

floyd will be gone in the first round. Dobson is over rated and is a product of a system...he has good hands about it not a true nfl WR.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I Like Datone Jones In The Second and Robert Lester as our third round comp pick

I Like Bacarri Rambo at Free Safety behind ed reed better

1) We will not get a 3rd round comp

2) Why do you say you like Lester in the 3rd yet you like Rambo better? It makes no sense.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I Like Bacarri Rambo at Free Safety behind ed reed better

yea I like Bacarri aswell looks like a great prospect coming out of Georgia, as great spped quickness ball skills and can read the Qb pretty good. Still has some stuff to improve on but the problem is I see him going at end of the 2nd or early 3rd meaning we would have to spend our 2nd rounder on him or trade up for him in the third. I think there are more important areas than safety seeing that Ed Reed is coming back and I feel like Ozzie has a plan to retain him.

[trickstar21]

Honestly, if we can bring back Reed (I believe it will happen), I would skip on the safeties and take Tyrann Mathieu in the 4th or 5th and have him learn under Reed to be FS. I really like Mathieu as a player and perhaps learning under Reed can help him reach his potential.

hey if reed stays we still have Omar brown and christan thompson so we may not go safety at all this draft

Edited by trickstar21, 27 January 2013 - 07:25 PM.

[GrimCoconut]

hey if reed stays we still have Omar brown and christan thompson so we may not go safety at all this draft

I think we will get someone. I really think we'll get a CB and turn them to safety. That's why I think Mathieu is the perfect fit. Brown's good but he's more of a SS. Thompson's good and is more of a FS. Problem is both are unproven and you can never have enough depth. If Mathieu doesn't turn out then you got yourself a quality ST player. That's why I think Mathieu will be a good pick. Versatility for the team.