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The fair catch hit on Reed and the Mayo hit on Pitta

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I was watching the game on my DVR the other night again and I gave these 2 plays a few extra looks in slow mo.. Don't get me wrong the mayo hit was awesome how football should be but if you're going to call it on us his helmet did make contact with pittas facemask/helmet and he was defenseless and the ed reed fair catch hit on his punt return the NE guy actually was pushed into reed but his own teammate not blocked by a raven and it looked like he may of made helmet to helmet contact.. Has anyone heard about these plays, fines or anything?
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No fines on any of those plays, and i was calling for a penalty on the Ed Reed fair catch play. No idea why that wasn't called. Not much to say about the Mayo hit, from what i saw it was actually a clean hit, besides maybe the "defenseless" receiver stuff. Whatever, nothing we can do about it now.
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Mayo's hit on Pitta was clean. That said, I just can't imagine Reed or Pollard doing the same thing without getting flagged. It seems impossible nowadays.
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i dont know. i threw my ravens pillow pet at my girlfriend's face when that mayo hit wasn't called.





she wasn't amused.
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Spikes' hit had no more incidental helmet contact than Chykie's or Pollard's. Should've been flagged in terms of equal treatment. But Pitta got the TD on the next play.

I'm surprised they just let the hit on Reed go. They're normally stingy about that stuff. But again, I won't complain. It's something Harbaugh would send to the league office for clarification. Used to hear about him doing that a lot. Of course those were in games we lost at the expense of poor officiating.
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The fear that Pollard causes after blasting someone over the middle is worth a 15 yard penalty. The receivers we face seem to have weak psyches and get scared, and I'm expecting no less from Crabtree and Moss.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1359180087' post='1331012']
The fear that Pollard causes after blasting someone over the middle is worth a 15 yard penalty. The receivers we face seem to have weak psyches and get scared, and I'm expecting no less from Crabtree and Moss.
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To be fair, if I'd just been hit by Pollard I'd be thinking twice about going up for catches with him nearby. The new rules kind of encourage receivers to be softer than they were. They don't expect big hits any more and seem to be like deer in the headlights for the rest of the game after a big Pollard hit.
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[quote name='Andrew Glass' timestamp='1359175946' post='1330980']
I was watching the game on my DVR the other night again and I gave these 2 plays a few extra looks in slow mo.. Don't get me wrong the mayo hit was awesome how football should be but if you're going to call it on us his helmet did make contact with pittas facemask/helmet and he was defenseless and the ed reed fair catch hit on his punt return the NE guy actually was pushed into reed but his own teammate not blocked by a raven and it looked like he may of made helmet to helmet contact.. Has anyone heard about these plays, fines or anything?
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I'm assuming the league isn't doing anything about these hits, since they've already passed out fines to other players in this game.


That hit on Reed is just digusting and I can't even comprehend how it wasn't FLAGGED or FINED. I mean, it's a FAIR CATCH. The officials might have multiple things to watch, but they sure as hell should be watching the person catching the ball to see where he caught it, and if he caught it or was interfered with. How a clear helmet-to-helmet hit on a fair catch is not called... just makes absolutely no sense. And I really wish more people were making a big deal out of this call than the Brady call.

As for the Mayo hit... the initial contact wasn't with the helmets. It was secondary contact. NOW, by the "letter of the law/rule" this should be fined and flagged because there was contact of helmets. But, just like Pollard's hit... I don't believe it is a bad hit and shouldn't be flagged or fined. Flacco pretty much set Pitta up to get rocked, it happens when defense is covering everyone well. For the record, I don't believe either Pollard or Ray Lewis's hit should be against the rules either. Ray Lewis's shoulder is what hit first, and Pollard only made secondary contact to the helmet.

What really digusts me is fans around the country are actully starting the believe that the Ravens are FAVORED by the officials. I mean... I never thought I'd live to see the day anyone actually said that.
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Jerod Mayo had a clean hit and that was the way football needs to be played, as for the fair catch, yeah it was illegal but nothing was done. But the game is over and we're in the superbowl so we can drop this subject on fines.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8882306/super-bowl-2013-bernard-pollard-baltimore-ravens-fined-15k-hit-wes-welker

Pollard makes a proper football move and gets a 15k fine, Brady uses his leg to impale Reed on his cleats (not a football move) like a coward and gets hit with 10k fine.....Vernon Davis had to pay more regarding his damn socks. Roger Goodell is the worst commissioner we have ever had.
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Although I don't think any of those hits should be flags I felt that if they call those hits on Ravens every week then we should also benefit from them.

Plays like C.Brown hit where u can see the WR lower their head to brace for the hit means that they are defending themselves and thus aren't defenseless. It's ridiculous how defense players make a regular tackle offensive players ducking their heads and then get the catch and an extra 15 yards tacked on.
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The Mayo hit was NOT clean. He led with the shoulder and hit Pitta in the chest, but the crown of his helmet definitely caught Pitta in the chin area of the face mask. This is a flag. We got a penalty for something almost exactly like this against the Broncos.

I'm not saying it's right, but according to the new rules it should have been a penalty.
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[quote name='tonyg6996' timestamp='1359261130' post='1331808']
The Mayo hit was NOT clean. He led with the shoulder and hit Pitta in the chest, but the crown of his helmet definitely caught Pitta in the chin area of the face mask. This is a flag. We got a penalty for something almost exactly like this against the Broncos.

I'm not saying it's right, but according to the new rules it should have been a penalty.
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Godell gets money from Kraft.....

Always has been this way
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[quote name='tonyg6996' timestamp='1359261130' post='1331808']
The Mayo hit was NOT clean. He led with the shoulder and hit Pitta in the chest, but the crown of his helmet definitely caught Pitta in the chin area of the face mask. This is a flag. We got a penalty for something almost exactly like this against the Broncos.

I'm not saying it's right, but according to the new rules it should have been a penalty.
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This is dead on. The crown of his helmet clearly goes right into Pitta's facemask, and that's a call I've seen made against us it seems like every week. A lot of the time I see that called against us after a receiver lowers himself into the plane of the tackler's helmet. Pitta didn't have time to even do that, which is the very definition of a defenseless receiver taking helmet to helmet contact. He made the TD on the next play, but before that the unfairness of the hit not getting called had me yelling at my TV.
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[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1359177836' post='1330997']
Mayo's hit on Pitta was clean. That said, I just can't imagine Reed or Pollard doing the same thing without getting flagged. It seems impossible nowadays.
[/quote] You are correct that it was a clean hit if they call it that way every time but they do not. The league has been calling these hits as defenseless when a player is not given a step after the catch. It is very rare in today's rules that when someone takes a shot like that they do not call a penalty. It should have been called.
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My only problem with the Mayo hit is that Ray Lewis got a flag ONE SERIES BEFORE THAT for the exact same hit!! Those refs were OBVIOUSLY biased towards the Pats. If BA goes into Welker after he makes a fair catch on a punt, BA's getting that flag 10/10, period. Reed? No problem I guess, right refs? The Super Bowl better be a clear cut, down the middle, parity type referee called game.
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I rewatched the game complete with many rewinds-

I didn't see it too well when it happened but can't understand why the Pats weren't flagged for the contact on Reed after the fair catch. I've never witnessed that not called unless the defender was blocked into the man by the opposing team, which we know didn't happen.

Ray got flagged for the hit on Hernandez but count the steps , all three of them. He was not a defenseless reciever and Ray was aiming for the body but Hernandez lowered his head into the striking zone.

On the other hand look at both the time elapsed and the viciousness of the Pitta hit. Pitta barely got both feet down and [u][b]unlike Hernandez[/b][/u] had no time at all to make a defensive move to protect himself from the Mayo impact. It was the epitome of a defenseless reciever, yet nothing from the officials.

We've seen in weeks past the Ravens get flagged for less in fact we've seen it numerous times in this game.
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[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1359291615' post='1331968']
I rewatched the game complete with many rewinds-

I didn't see it too well when it happened but can't understand why the Pats weren't flagged for the contact on Reed after the fair catch. I've never witnessed that not called unless the defender was blocked into the man by the opposing team, which we know didn't happen.

Ray got flagged for the hit on Hernandez but count the steps , all three of them. He was not a defenseless reciever and Ray was aiming for the body but Hernandez lowered his head into the striking zone.

On the other hand look at both the time elapsed and the viciousness of the Pitta hit. Pitta barely got both feet down and [u][b]unlike Hernandez[/b][/u] had no time at all to make a defensive move to protect himself from the Mayo impact. It was the epitome of a defenseless reciever, yet nothing from the officials.

We've seen in weeks past the Ravens get flagged for less in fact we've seen it numerous times in this game.
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I have a feeling we will see a lot of these types of hits next Sunday. We can only hope the calls are fair and equitable.
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Haha, I remember being pissed about the Mayo hit on Pitta too. Despite it being a pretty clean hit (by real football standards), as others have said, we had already been flagged on ticky-tacky helmet to helmet contact in the game so I guess I was expecting the officiating to be consistent, who was I kidding? In any case, the best remedy to that play happened in game as it was: Pitta helping us take the lead for the last time we would need to. I told my buddy after the TD, "If I were Dennis i would walk right past the head ref [while doing an inappropriate hand gesture towards my crotch area] for not getting the same treatment the Pats' receivers were" haha
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I'm fine with these not being fined, as long as Tom Brady is fined (which he is), i'm satisfied.
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[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1359299183' post='1332022']
I'm fine with these not being fined, as long as Tom Brady is fined (which he is), i'm satisfied.
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Yeah, fined less than Gore who chose short socks that morning. Ridiculous!
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359299556' post='1332027']
Yeah, fined less than Gore who chose short socks that morning. Ridiculous!
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Well, it's Brady. It's no secret that the officials are in love with him.
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Truth be told. I don't think that anyone could say they believe that both calls or should i say no calls weren't wrong, by rule. Had we lost, there would be much more outrage. We overcame, so there is less outspoken concern. It should not be!!!!!
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its a shame hitting hard (clean or not) has become illegal. Theres too much going on too fast for players to worry about avoiding head to head collisions they're going to happen, and fining people for something they have little control over is a little ridiculous. Its a contact sport, we know, the players know it, everyone knows it, injuries are GOING to happen fining people for playing physically isn't going to fix it.
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If the Mayo hit was clean then so were all of ours. Fair Catch hit on Reed was BS. Refs definitely biased towards pats
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[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1359177836' post='1330997']
Mayo's hit on Pitta was clean. That said, I just can't imagine Reed or Pollard doing the same thing without getting flagged. It seems impossible nowadays.
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agree
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How in the world was Mayo's hit "clean"? Can someone explain it to me? Am I missing something?
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1359331938' post='1332515']
How in the world was Mayo's hit "clean"? Can someone explain it to me? Am I missing something?
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Having watched the [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMuZ1y3nflE"]video[/url] again and again, I think it was clean too. Pitta's head snapped back violently but Mayo caught him just underneath his helmet with his shoulder.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1359339482' post='1332618']
Having watched the [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMuZ1y3nflE"]video[/url] again and again, I think it was clean too. Pitta's head snapped back violently but Mayo caught him just underneath his helmet with his shoulder.
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Sorry cannot agree. From the video (apologize for the quality, it was the best I could find)

[img]http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/beradftzr/JerodMayoHitsDennisPitta-YouTube_zpsed5ba210-1_zpsb3ee4f8f.jpg[/img]

Mayo's helmet hits Pitta right in the chin / facemask. [u]Pitta's head doesn't snap back if his head is not hit.[/u]

Different angle showing the same thing.

[img]http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/beradftzr/JerodMayoHitsDennisPitta-YouTube1_zps78608e04-1_zps996f6c98.jpg[/img]

Whether Mayo hit him with his helmet (video shows) or not, he hit a defenseless receiver in the head/neck - a textbook penalty.
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[quote name='Pathogen-' timestamp='1359177938' post='1331000']
i dont know. i threw my ravens pillow pet at my girlfriend's face when that mayo hit wasn't called.





she wasn't amused.
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LMAO! Glad to hear I'm not the only one with a pillow pet! Me and "Poe" are tight - he calms me down like a baby with their blankie! ;)

But realistically, we were playing the Patsies...the lack of calls against them is no surprise.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1359345259' post='1332793']
Sorry cannot agree. From the video (apologize for the quality, it was the best I could find)

Mayo's helmet hits Pitta right in the chin / facemask. [u]Pitta's head doesn't snap back if his head is not hit.[/u]

Different angle showing the same thing.

Whether Mayo hit him with his helmet (video shows) or not, he hit a defenseless receiver in the head/neck - a textbook penalty.
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Looking at those pics, I guess the back/side of his helmet made contact with Pitta's facemask but I don't think that contact was intentional. I still think it was clean.

We've seen refs throw flags for much less egregious hits numerous times in recent years, so the refs probably should have thrown a flag in this situation. But they didn't for whatever reason.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1359345767' post='1332810']


Looking at those pics, I guess the back/side of his helmet made contact with Pitta's facemask but I don't think that contact was intentional. I still think it was clean.

We've seen refs throw flags for much less egregious hits numerous times in recent years, so the refs probably should have thrown a flag in this situation. But they didn't for whatever reason.
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If you ask me, it was a beautiful football hit. But with how the NFL operates nowadays, no doubt it should have been called.
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Yup, clearly BS calls or no-calls. NFL and the networks don't want Ravens advancing at all as they want to market Manning, Brady, etc. But the Ravens are now in the SB in spite of NFL and network interests. SB is the last game so marketing is out the door (well, they might think they can make more $ celebrating Ck and the 49ers?), hopefully there's fair officiating.
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I'm going to enlighten you guys on a little thing called the Collective Bargaining Agreement, since you guys seem to think they make up arbitrary fines for arbitrary things. Here's the schedule of fines as laid out by the CBA. Note, that these were agreed to by the NFLPA and the NFL, so all the players know about this. Each time a player is penalized for the same fineable offense, the fine doubles.


[size=4][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif][b]Fine Schedule[/b][/font][/color][/size]

[b]Player Safety Rules and/or Flagrant Personal Foul[/b] [list]
[*]Striking/Kicking/Kneeing $7,875/$15,750
[*]Horse Collar Tackle $15,750/$31,500
[*]Face Mask $7,875/$15,750
[*]Leg Whip $15,750/$31,500
[*]Late Hit $7,875/$15,750
[*]Spearing $21,000/$42,000
[*]Impermissible Use of the Helmet (including illegal launching) $21,000/$42,000
[*]Hit on Defenseless Player $21,000/$42,000
[*]Blindside Block $21,000/$42,000
[*]Roughing the Passer $15,750/$31,500
[*]Low Block $7,875/$15,750
[*]Chop Block $7,875/$15,750
[/list]
[b]Fighting[/b]
[list]
[*]Fighting $26,250/ $52,500
[*]Unnecessarily Entering Fight Area (active involvement) $5,250/$10,500 Unnecessarily Entering Fight Area (no active involvement) $2,625/$7,875
[/list]
[b]Sportsmanship[/b][list]
[*]
[*]Excessive Profanity; other Unsportsmanlike Conduct (e.g., toward opponent(s), game personnel, fans, etc.) $10,500/$21,000
[*]Taunting $7,875/$10,500
[*]Football Into Stands $5,250/$10,500
[/list]
[b]Uniform[/b][list]
[*]Foreign Substances on Body/Uniform $7,875/$15,750
[*]Chin Straps $7,875/$10,500
[*]Personal Messages * $5,250/$10,500
[*]Other Uniform/Equipment Violation $5,250/$10,500
[/list][list]
[*][b]On Field Commercial Logo Violation[/b]
Considered violation of official League licensing agreements; suspension or fine; severity to be determined by degree of violation.
[*][b]Gang Signing[/b]
Considered conduct detrimental to the League; suspension or fine; severity to be determined in accordance with provisions of the Personal Conduct Policy.
[/list]
Tom Brady's fine was actually more than the minimum fine for a first offender (Striking/Kicking/Kneeing). Gore was fined 10,500 because it was his second uniform/equipment, and that is the mandated minimum for a second offense.
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[quote name='CptJesus' timestamp='1359346244' post='1332831']
I'm going to enlighten you guys on a little thing called the Collective Bargaining Agreement, since you guys seem to think they make up arbitrary fines for arbitrary things. Here's the schedule of fines as laid out by the CBA. Note, that these were agreed to by the NFLPA and the NFL, so all the players know about this. Each time a player is penalized for the same fineable offense, the fine doubles.


[size=4][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif][b]Fine Schedule[/b][/font][/color][/size][list]
[*][b]Player Safety Rules and/or Flagrant Personal Foul[/b]
[/list]
Act Fine Amount
Striking/Kicking/Kneeing $7,875/$15,750
Horse Collar Tackle $15,750/$31,500
Face Mask $7,875/$15,750
Leg Whip $15,750/$31,500
Late Hit $7,875/$15,750
Spearing $21,000/$42,000
Impermissible Use of the Helmet (including illegal launching) $21,000/$42,000 Hit on Defenseless Player $21,000/$42,000
Blindside Block $21,000/$42,000
Roughing the Passer $15,750/$31,500
Low Block $7,875/$15,750
Chop Block $7,875/$15,750 [list]
[*][b]Fighting[/b]
[/list]
Act Fine Amount
Fighting $26,250/ $52,500
Unnecessarily Entering Fight Area (active involvement) $5,250/$10,500 Unnecessarily Entering Fight Area (no active involvement) $2,625/$7,875 [list]
[*][b]Sportsmanship[/b]
[/list]
Act Fine Amount
Excessive Profanity; other Unsportsmanlike Conduct (e.g., toward opponent(s), game personnel, fans, etc.) $10,500/$21,000
Taunting $7,875/$10,500
Football Into Stands $5,250/$10,500 [list]
[*][b]Uniform[/b]
[/list]
Act Fine Amount Foreign Substances on Body/Uniform $7,875/$15,750
Chin Straps $7,875/$10,500
Personal Messages * $5,250/$10,500 Other Uniform/Equipment Violation $5,250/$10,500 [list]
[*][b]On Field Commercial Logo Violation[/b]
Considered violation of official League licensing agreements; suspension or fine; severity to be determined by degree of violation.
[*][b]Gang Signing[/b]
Considered conduct detrimental to the League; suspension or fine; severity to be determined in accordance with provisions of the Personal Conduct Policy.
[/list]
Tom Brady's fine was actually more than the minimum fine for a first offender (Striking/Kicking/Kneeing). Gore was fined 10,500 because it was his second uniform/equipment, and that is the mandated minimum for a second offense.
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Thank you for posting this.
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[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1359346464' post='1332840']
Thank you for posting this.
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I fixed it up, since the editor ate my nicely formatted one.
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[quote name='CptJesus' timestamp='1359346516' post='1332845']


I fixed it up, since the editor ate my nicely formatted one.
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It's cool, it was still readable. I admit I didn't know the details behind the fines given out.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1359345767' post='1332810']
Looking at those pics, I guess the back/side of his helmet made contact with Pitta's facemask but I don't think that contact was intentional. I still think it was clean.

We've seen refs throw flags for much less egregious hits numerous times in recent years, so the refs probably should have thrown a flag in this situation. But they didn't for whatever reason.
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Intention doesn't matter and I'm only saying 'dirty' as in 'should have been flagged'. It was against the rules. They flagged Ray and Pollard for the same thing earlier in the game, but I haven't seen an explanation why that was any different and/or within the rules.

Either way, doesn't matter. The Patriots have been dead for over a week.
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this is kind of funny [url="http://profootballmock.com/tom-bradys-apology-text-to-ed-reed/"]http://profootballmock.com/tom-bradys-apology-text-to-ed-reed/[/url]
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[quote name='CptJesus' timestamp='1359346244' post='1332831']
I'm going to enlighten you guys on a little thing called the Collective Bargaining Agreement, since you guys seem to think they make up arbitrary fines for arbitrary things. Here's the schedule of fines as laid out by the CBA. Note, that these were agreed to by the NFLPA and the NFL, so all the players know about this. Each time a player is penalized for the same fineable offense, the fine doubles.


[color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif][b]Fine Schedule[/b][/font][/color]

[b]Player Safety Rules and/or Flagrant Personal Foul[/b] [list]
[*]Striking/Kicking/Kneeing $7,875/$15,750
[*]Horse Collar Tackle $15,750/$31,500
[*]Face Mask $7,875/$15,750
[*]Leg Whip $15,750/$31,500
[*]Late Hit $7,875/$15,750
[*]Spearing $21,000/$42,000
[*]Impermissible Use of the Helmet (including illegal launching) $21,000/$42,000
[*]Hit on Defenseless Player $21,000/$42,000
[*]Blindside Block $21,000/$42,000
[*]Roughing the Passer $15,750/$31,500
[*]Low Block $7,875/$15,750
[*]Chop Block $7,875/$15,750
[/list]
[b]Fighting[/b]
[list]
[*]Fighting $26,250/ $52,500
[*]Unnecessarily Entering Fight Area (active involvement) $5,250/$10,500 Unnecessarily Entering Fight Area (no active involvement) $2,625/$7,875
[/list]
[b]Sportsmanship[/b][list]
[*]
[*]Excessive Profanity; other Unsportsmanlike Conduct (e.g., toward opponent(s), game personnel, fans, etc.) $10,500/$21,000
[*]Taunting $7,875/$10,500
[*]Football Into Stands $5,250/$10,500
[/list]
[b]Uniform[/b][list]
[*]Foreign Substances on Body/Uniform $7,875/$15,750
[*]Chin Straps $7,875/$10,500
[*]Personal Messages * $5,250/$10,500
[*]Other Uniform/Equipment Violation $5,250/$10,500
[/list][list]
[*][b]On Field Commercial Logo Violation[/b]
Considered violation of official League licensing agreements; suspension or fine; severity to be determined by degree of violation.
[*][b]Gang Signing[/b]
Considered conduct detrimental to the League; suspension or fine; severity to be determined in accordance with provisions of the Personal Conduct Policy.
[/list]
Tom Brady's fine was actually more than the minimum fine for a first offender (Striking/Kicking/Kneeing). Gore was fined 10,500 because it was his second uniform/equipment, and that is the mandated minimum for a second offense.
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What the hell kind of league is this where you get fined the same amount for taunting that you get fined for a facemask? Is taunting really as bad as a facemask of a horsecollar? Freaking ridiculous!
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1359348415' post='1332898']
Intention doesn't matter and I'm only saying 'dirty' as in 'should have been flagged'. It was against the rules. They flagged Ray and Pollard for the same thing earlier in the game, but I haven't seen an explanation why that was any different and/or within the rules.

Either way, doesn't matter. The Patriots have been dead for over a week.
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Understand your point to a T. I did too think there should have been a flag thrown.

But looking at the still images, I give credit to Mayo for at least leading with his shoulder pads and not his helmet which I guess is why no penalty.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1359389494' post='1333139']


Understand your point to a T. I did too think there should have been a flag thrown.

But looking at the still images, I give credit to Mayo for at least leading with his shoulder pads and not his helmet [b]which I guess is why no penalty.[/b]
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That and his jersey color!
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If Ray Lewis got flagged (and he did), then Mayo needed to get flagged. Mayo's helmet hit Pitta's helmet. Case closed. Either helmet to helmet is illegal or it isn't.
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I thought for sure Pollard was going to be fined for the hit on Ridley when Ridley fumbled. I've come to expect it even though it was legal and a great hit.
I think if a receiver can lower his helmet into a defenders helmet then there should be no flag/fine for it.
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