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Should Cary Williams return?

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Should we sign Cary Williams to a new deal?
i believe we shouldnt cause we wont have the money and last year he wanted 3 years for $15
he is good but not the no.1 cornerback we need he get beaten quietly easily and the only reason people mainly think he is good is due to his interceptions

we have webb, smith, brown and graham so i reckon we dont need to sign him to an extension

your thoughts thanks!
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He's going to be priced out by other teams needing corners. The Ravens won't be able to afford him because they already have money tied up in Webb, have been grooming replacements and have to fill other needs.
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at the money he's asking for and looking at the youngsters we got, he'll not be back
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Williams will almost certainly not be here next year, and honestly we don't need him. It would be a luxury, but his price will leave a return near out of the question.
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I feel bad for the team that picks him up, he's going to be hugely overpaid and the fanbase will assume he's a shutdown corner.
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He should return a pick for 6. Then he will be overpaid by another dumb team with a poor FO!
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Okay, okay. This is getting out of hand now. I'm not a fan of Williams. But then some of this hate he is getting is really unjustified. Williams can be a #1 CB. If he goes to the right team, he could be feared. He needs a team that has a good pass rush with man coverage. You give him those two things and you will see him as a top CB. Webb is better than Williams for sure, but Williams isn't trash or anything.

The Niners would be a good fit for him. Really good fit.
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[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1359124745' post='1330123']
How much will Revis demand?
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Revis wants Mario williams money, so 60 million guaranteed. Basically what we're paying Joe.
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We will not be able to or want to afford him. I don't think he's that great anyways and he always seems to be complaining about something. I think we will be better off without him and his attitude.

I cringe when I see him throw his arms up or make his pouty face - not a Raven imo.
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[quote name='AussiieeRavens' timestamp='1359122188' post='1330086']

i believe we shouldnt cause we wont have the money [b]and last year he wanted 3 years for $15[/b]

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Someone will obviously correct me if I'm wrong....but I thought we [i]OFFERED[/i] him a 3 year/$15 M deal and he turned it down because he wanted more.

Just want to get your facts straight.......
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[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1359129328' post='1330204']
Someone will obviously correct me if I'm wrong....but I thought we [i]OFFERED[/i] him a 3 year/$15 M deal and he turned it down because he wanted more.

Just want to get your facts straight.......
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We did offer him that, but he didn't turn it down because he thought the overall value was too little. He wanted more guaranteed money for security for his family. I think we offered $3 million in guaranteed and he wanted $7 million or something along those lines.
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[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1359129328' post='1330204']


Someone will obviously correct me if I'm wrong....but I thought we [i]OFFERED[/i] him a 3 year/$15 M deal and he turned it down because he wanted more.

Just want to get your facts straight.......
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I think he wanted 8-9 million a year. I remember reading something to that effect.
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I'd be surprised if anyone wanted him back. He's struggled for the most part over two years and the team already has five talented CBs under contract for next year.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1359127088' post='1330155']
I feel bad for the team that picks him up, he's going to be hugely overpaid and the fanbase will assume he's a shutdown corner.
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I don't know about this.... Other teams can watch film and view his inadequacies.

That said, I sure do hope he shows up and has a monster SB. He is our weakest link.
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In a perfect world, yes we should. But the reality is that we're pressed right up to the cap limit. We can't afford to retain everybody and you can't overpay at a position when you have younger cheaper talent waiting in the wings.

I'm just hoping and praying Webby comes back at full strength I remember him taking a while to find his form after his first injury and I'm just worried that we invested a large sum of money into a player at a crucial position that will never be the same :(
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Well prior to this season the FO liked him enough to offer a fair contract. Now, he'll be priced out of our range on the open market. Good news is we do have the depth at corner to withstand the loss of Williams.

No need for all the hate on the man though. He got burned a few times this season and he hasn't been a shutdown corner by any stretch, but he's done well for us overall.
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Not hating, I agree he has done okay. But I agree that he will be priced out of our budget and actually, I think priced beyond his worth, at least to us. We have a bunch of good CBs now, so we really cannot afford to overpay him. He is definietly good enough to get a much better deal than we could afford. So unless he is looking to give us a hometown discount, then he is gone. We are going to lose a bunch of good players this off season.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1359131034' post='1330246']
We could use that money for Ellerbe/Kruger.
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Kruger may be in the same position as Williams. Priced out of our budget range. That would be a real loss for us since we do not have a lot of back-up at pass rush.
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I don't think so, I actually like Carey but we have so much more key free agents to figure out. I'd rather keep Kruger and Ellerbe, plus the emergence of Brown, Graham, and Jimmy smith getting healthy will make us forget about him
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Wish we could keep C.Williams, much rather have him than J.Smith. But with needing to keep KRUGER AND ELLERBE, i just don't see it happening.
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When the year started I thought we needed to resign him. You can never have enough decent corners. Cary Williams is exactly that - a decent corner. But now we have other options with Chykie Brown and Corey Graham. Webb will be back and we still have Jimmy Smith. Plus Asa Jackson is still on the roster. Unless Williams can be had for cheap (and I doubt it), let him walk. That money can be used else where.
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He was way, way way, better late in the season than he was in the beginning.
Webb will be back next season. I dont think Jimmy can handle the other side.

I also think Cary wants more than Baltimore is willing to pay. Other teams on the other hand...
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1359127540' post='1330162']
Okay, okay. This is getting out of hand now. I'm not a fan of Williams. But then some of this hate he is getting is really unjustified. Williams can be a #1 CB. If he goes to the right team, he could be feared. He needs a team that has a good pass rush with man coverage. You give him those two things and you will see him as a top CB. Webb is better than Williams for sure, but Williams isn't trash or anything.

The Niners would be a good fit for him. Really good fit.
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I honestly see Reed and Williams going to the Colts next year.
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We are deep with average to above average corners. Sorry, Cary! Play your heart out next Sunday and go earn a massive payday from someone else. This is not to say I wouldn't want him back, just the reality of the situation!
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If he gets a pick 6 in the Superbowl then yeah we should ! Jk no i think we let him walk we have depth at corner Webb,Graham,Smith,Brown and hopefully we draft tyrann mathieu in like the 4th or 5th round
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If he's willing to return for the right price, why not - but I don't see it happening. With the huge switch to a passing league there will be a ton of teams willing to overpay for his services - the Patriots are in bad need of secondary help, and so are the Colts. The Broncos could, Champ is getting older. The 49ers could - and these are all contending teams. There are any number of bottom feeders with money to throw around that could pay him a lot of money.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1359130361' post='1330226']



I don't know about this.... Other teams can watch film and view his inadequacies.

That said, I sure do hope he shows up and has a monster SB. He is our weakest link.
[/quote]Have you seen Kemo? I'm pretty sure he's the weakest link.
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you never know what the market will really be for him... There are quite a few free agent corners this year, plus you now have Revis available. it would be quite ironic if we actually retain him for less than we originally offered if the market is not there.... however when he returns a pick 6 in the Super Bowl some horrible team like the Raiders will pay him like Larry Brown.
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[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1359146368' post='1330533']
Have you seen Kemo? I'm pretty sure he's the weakest link.
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That slightly built British woman just flashed into my mind. "you are..........the weakest link!"


Anyway, I am officially suspending the mention of any negative comments about any Raven's player until after Festivus Maximus. No bad juju!
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I think he's played well...not great but well enough to make some what of an impact (manning INT's for example)... I think they'll offer him a deal BUT as Ozzie has stated ..... he's not going to pay more than he sees fit. hes not going to put a player ahead of the team. so im sure he has a number in mind... just like what he said with the flacco thing. and if he doesn't like it, then fine go elsewhere, TEAM first here.
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[img]http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/31024960.jpg[/img]

I just can't believe that Cary would be worth any sort of big money at all.

Truly other teams' front offices look at tape? Even in man coverage Cary gets beat all over the field. Either he's playing too far back and allows quick passes for 5 - 10 yards, or he plays too close to the LOS and gets burnt.

From what we've seen from our other CBs this year, I am completely fine with Cary sailing off into the sunset. Hopefully it's to someone like the Steelers or Bengals so we can get some easy wins next year.
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[quote name='Raven07' timestamp='1359163707' post='1330849']
I think he's played well...not great but well enough to make some what of an impact (manning INT's for example)... I think they'll offer him a deal BUT as Ozzie has stated ..... he's not going to pay more than he sees fit. hes not going to put a player ahead of the team. so im sure he has a number in mind... just like what he said with the flacco thing. and if he doesn't like it, then fine go elsewhere, TEAM first here.
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Both of Manning's interceptions were to Corey Graham?

Or do you mean his impact as in - him celebrating on the other side of the field like he made a play or something?
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[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1359164306' post='1330859']
Both of Manning's interceptions were to Corey Graham?

Or do you mean his impact as in - him celebrating on the other side of the field like he made a play or something?
[/quote] yea. was thinking one player, typed another. lol.
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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1359130083' post='1330220']
We did offer him that, but he didn't turn it down because he thought the overall value was too little. He wanted more guaranteed money for security for his family. I think we offered $3 million in guaranteed and he wanted $7 million or something along those lines.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1359130102' post='1330221']
I think he wanted 8-9 million a year. I remember reading something to that effect.
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Anyone know what the facts are? There is obviously some false rumors floating around.
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I say let Cary walk, use that money to keep Reed as I anticipate Kruger to get overpaid as well. Re-sign Corey Graham and let him and Webb be the starters at corner with Jimmy in the nickel.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1359218127' post='1331199']
I say let Cary walk, use that money to keep Reed as I anticipate Kruger to get overpaid as well. [b]Re-sign Corey Graham and let him and Webb be the starters at corner with Jimmy in the nickel.[/b]
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Corey's under contract for '13.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1359218127' post='1331199']
I say let Cary walk, use that money to keep Reed as I anticipate Kruger to get overpaid as well. Re-sign Corey Graham and let him and Webb be the starters at corner with Jimmy in the nickel.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1359218750' post='1331205']
Corey's under contract for '13.
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I think he meant to extend Graham. At least, that's what I think would make sense. Graham's a good player. I think he could play FS with his skills. Perhaps he could be the one to take over for Ed Reed.

But anyway, I think having Jimmy at the nickel would be a waste. Or perhaps you mean play in nickel packages?
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[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1359217152' post='1331185']
Anyone know what the facts are? There is obviously some false rumors floating around.
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[url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4967/cary-williams"]http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4967/cary-williams[/url]

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Beat writer Mike Preston points to the salary cap as an issue, as well as the improved play of Chykie Brown and Corey Graham coupled with Lardarius Webb set to return from a torn ACL in 2013. Baltimore also has former first-round pick Jimmy Smith waiting in the wings. It's been reported that Williams believes he's worth $8-$10 million per year on the open market, but we don't see him attaining that. [color=#CC0000][background=transparent]Jan 22 - 1:36 PM[/background][/color][/size][/font][/color][color=#0000FF][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Verdana][size=3]
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I think cary williams is a solid cornerback does he has his flaws? well yes but overall i think he's a good cornerback and i think it's crazy that people think other wise.
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[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1359220582' post='1331233']
I think cary williams is a solid cornerback does he has his flaws? well yes but overall i think he's a good cornerback and i think it's crazy that people think other wise.
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I agree. It's just that we have Ellerbe, Kruger, Flacco and Reed all to contend with as well. No way there is enough money in the coffers to pay Williams what he will want. Not to mention that Graham and Brown have really stepped it up and showed their talent. He'll get offered more elsewhere than we can or will pay him. That is just how it works.
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I was upset when we lost Josh Wilson, I thought he played like a Raven. I was not a fan of Cary Williams earlier this season, but he has played a lot better down the stretch. I just want him to play well in Super Bowl 47 for us and if he gets a huge payday from another team I will be happy for him, although I will hate to lose the depth at our cornerback position.
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Ellerbe, Kruger and Reed are all more important to the team than Cary. I'm not going to bash him but, we have Jimmy waiting and I think he will be great. Still have Chykie and I think Corey Graham is still under contract. Besides the fact I don't think the team should overpay him, its a position that is actually a strength now. Funny cause about 2 years ago it was one of the worst weaknesses. Of all the positions the one player I say really needs to be picked up is Ellerbe. Suggs should be healthy next year with Upshaw learning so olb should be be ok. The d line is ok with a slight need at nt. McClain has the back issue so I'm not sure how much the team can rely on him. Ellerbe has to be the priority after Flacco.
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Yea, you can never have enough CB's but I see teams over paying for Williams and out of all the key guys on our team over the years that's been taken from us in FA, I'm most comfortable with Williams being taken. We have CB's that possibly could give us better production waiting for time with Jimmy Smith being the first in mind. Politics plays a huge thing in everything, including sports and by Jimmy Smith being a 1st rounder, I just can't see us resigning Williams with Webb making his return and Jimmy still being our #3CB b/c that's how it would be if we resigned Williams. Williams is a good CB but we have other areas we need to address before him.
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