Ed Reed will play next year

[rlh445]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359051314' post='1329112']
lmao what a ridiculous 8000+ post.

[/quote]

I mean seriously. Ask Manning or Brady how horrible Ed Reed is. He's one of the biggest reasons we're IN the Super Bowl right now. Jeezum crow, some of you posters are out of your minds and putting your feet in your mouths like you're Rex Ryan. Get a grip. This is the same stuff we heard when all those rumors were flying about Ray Rice wanting, 'Adrian Peterson money,'. All of the peanut gallery started talking about how bad Rice was and how they could name a bunch of RBs they'd rather have and how much, 'tread on the tires,' Ray already had and yada yada. Yet somehow, Ray Rice is again, one of the main reasons we're in the Super Bowl. Give. Me. A. Break.

[DMH_in_WA]

Anybody saying Ed Reed isn't doing anything back there has not been paying attention to what's going on in these Playoff games. Ed Reed has literally been everywhere on the field. Rewatching all 3 playoffs games so far, I think he's part of the reason that none of those opposing offenses ever got off the ground.

Re-watch the games. Running plays, passing plays .... Reed is constantly around the ball. The number of times they've thrown in his direction is minimal. From how he's playing, it looks to me like he stopped all the guessing on plays and has been playing solid D. The play where Ridley is knocked out and fumbles .... take a look at who it is that gets in there and helps secure the ball.

Beyond that, don't discount his knowledge, experience and leadership. Watching the Pats game, it looked to me like the reason the new "quicksnap offense" the Pats used so well on so many teams didn't work on us because we had Ray up front and Reed in the back to get the D in position. They didn't have to keep looking at the bench and losing time while waiting for the defensive calls to come in. There was only a small handful of times the quicksnap did anything in that game.

Guys need to stop discounting Reed like that. He's earned better than that.

[GermanRavensFan]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1359049066' post='1329037']
Our contract situations just got uglier.
[/quote]

Whats the cap situation with Ray retiring? Shouldnt there be somme more $$ left. He would have had a huge contract next year.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359059154' post='1329372']

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[Bltravens]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1359053061' post='1329174']
Dashon Goldson
Jairus Byrd
Earl Thomas
Eric weddle
Malcolm Jenkins

Guessing his list
[/quote]
Goldson is not as good as Reed is in coverage. Goldson smacks the crap out of people, but he's not Reed in coverage. Malcom Jenkins is a good player, but he doesn't do anything special. I still think Weddle is over rated.

[AsianRice]

I don't believe what Ed said right now...we'll see after the SB.....

Ed better steps up and pawns Kaepernick!!!

[PuRock]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1359067302' post='1329552']
I don't believe what Ed said right now...[b]we'll see after the SB....[/b].
[/quote]

My sentiments exactly. He's feeling high and invincible right now but things can change.

[Guest Im An Ozzie Newsome Guy]

Talk is talk; after all, there [i]has [/i]bee[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n thi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ngs Ed Reed has said, i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n the past, [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]that, later, he obviously cha[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nged his mi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nd about...[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]That said, let me put like this: Eve[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n with all the i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]njuries a[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nd pai[/font][/color][font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]n Reed has accumulated over the years, Ed Reed is [i]still [/i]o[/color][/font][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ne of the smartest players i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n the game. His i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ntellige[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nce, alo[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ne, is o[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ne of reaso[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ns Peyto[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n Ma[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ni[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng "played" co[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nservatively i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n the Divisio[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nal Rou[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nd game. Quarterbacks esse[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ntially fear #20; they k[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]now Reed is lurki[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng somewhere, deep, waiti[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng to i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ntercept his pass. I mea[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n, that is why Ma[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ni[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng tried to take adva[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ntage of Cary Williams (by throwi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng to Eric Decker o[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n those comeback routes) or by throwi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng those short-to-medium passes across the middle.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Still, I always k[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]new the 2012-13 seaso[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n would be the last for Ed Reed with the Baltimore Rave[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ns. The fact that re[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]negotiati[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng process [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]never took-off, after all this time, mea[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nt the Rave[/font][/color][font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]ns had other priorities a[/color][/font][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nd were ready to move-o[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n. I k[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]now it sou[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nds like I'm bashi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng Reed, but I'm [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]not; Ed Reed is just a dista[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nt perso[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n a[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nd someo[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ne else, like Terrell Suggs, always seemed like the eve[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ntually "successor" (to Ray Lewis) as the defe[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nsive leader.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Could Ed Reed retur[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n to the Rave[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ns i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n 2013? Yeah, sure; but, if Reed is[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n't willi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng to take a pay-cut (which I do[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n't believe he is willi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng to do, mostly because he's his ow[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n age[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nt), the[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n Baltimore wo[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n't be able to re-sig[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n Reed. I'm sorry, but players like Joe Flacco, De[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nis Pitta, Da[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nell Ellerbe a[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nd Paul Kruger all the future of the Rave[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ns, as all 4 have[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n't e[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ntered their prime, yet. The worst thi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng, though, about Ed Reed joi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ni[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng a[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nother team (eve[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n if it is the Patriots) is[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n't so much about seei[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng #20 weari[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng a[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nother u[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]niform; but, rather, I just do[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n't wa[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nt to see Ed Reed be "forced" to retire after goi[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng-dow[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n with a [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nasty i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]njury. There's [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]no way the guy is[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n't i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n co[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nsiste[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nt pai[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n, all-the-time, with what he has played through, all these years.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Let's just hope Ed Reed FI[/font][/color][font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]NALLY gets his Super Bowl ri[/color][/font][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ng, [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]next Su[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]nday, i[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n his hometow[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]n, [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]no less![/font][/color]

[AsianRice]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1359067572' post='1329561']


My sentiments exactly. He's feeling high and invincible right now but things can change.
[/quote]
We all know Ed...his first SB appearance....don' want to jinx anything so I'll keep things to myself until after Feb3....I'm seriously happy and nervous....

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1359065059' post='1329515']


I mean seriously. Ask Manning or Brady how horrible Ed Reed is. He's one of the biggest reasons we're IN the Super Bowl right now. Jeezum crow, some of you posters are out of your minds and putting your feet in your mouths like you're Rex Ryan. Get a grip. This is the same stuff we heard when all those rumors were flying about Ray Rice wanting, 'Adrian Peterson money,'. All of the peanut gallery started talking about how bad Rice was and how they could name a bunch of RBs they'd rather have and how much, 'tread on the tires,' Ray already had and yada yada. Yet somehow, Ray Rice is again, one of the main reasons we're in the Super Bowl. Give. Me. A. Break.
[/quote]My opinion on ed Reed has nothing to do with rice. If reed wants a reasonable deal I'd snap him up without thinking.

I think what will happen here is exactly what will happen with lewis. He will over value himself, we will let him hit free agency, he won't get what he wants and ends up back here.

But ed reed is no where near the player he once was, and people act as if he still is. As if its a sin to criticise his play.

He's been a lot better lately and do you want to know why? Because he's been sitting in his zone exactly where they play was drew up and not leaving his post. He hasn't been guessing and making wrong moves blowing coverages which he done a lot in the earlier part of the year. Maybe its the level of qb he has been up against and respects them more.

He's made a lot of wrong reads and just doesn't have the recovery speed to get back to where he should be, and he can't tackle. If he's looking to be paid top dollar he isn't worth it, but it he takes a reasonable deal, id love him back.

But to not even have people on this board able to admit he's greatly declined recently is a joke.

[zac_fuller]

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1359053251' post='1329178']
Can't afford what he thinks he should be paid. If he plays next year it won't be in a Ravens uniform
[/quote]

there's the ed reed hater we have all become accustomed to.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359074408' post='1329647']
My opinion on ed Reed has nothing to do with rice. If reed wants a reasonable deal I'd snap him up without thinking.

I think what will happen here is exactly what will happen with lewis. He will over value himself, we will let him hit free agency, he won't get what he wants and ends up back here.

But ed reed is no where near the player he once was, and people act as if he still is. As if its a sin to criticise his play.

He's been a lot better lately and do you want to know why? Because he's been sitting in his zone exactly where they play was drew up and not leaving his post. He hasn't been guessing and making wrong moves blowing coverages which he done a lot in the earlier part of the year. Maybe its the level of qb he has been up against and respects them more.

He's made a lot of wrong reads and just doesn't have the recovery speed to get back to where he should be, and he can't tackle. If he's looking to be paid top dollar he isn't worth it, but it he takes a reasonable deal, id love him back.

But to not even have people on this board able to admit he's greatly declined recently is a joke.
[/quote]
I agree with everything you said. I think Reed's fate will be similar to Lewis', where he talks about leaving to other pastures and ends up returning. I think he will find free agency very humbling. The nice thing about this free agency is that there are quite a bit of very talented safeties. Jairus Byrd (Bills), Patrick Chung (Patriots), Glover Quinn (Texans), Dashon Goldson (Niners), Louis Delmas (Lions), Williams Moore (Falcons), Kenny Phillips (Giants), and I remember hearing the Packers may cut Woodson. That's a lot of talented safeties just in free agency alone. We're not even talking the draft yet.

I think Reed returns. I really do. I just don't think it's at the price he expects. I think his deal will be fair, but it will be high as well. I think he's more valuable to us than any other team. His leadership will be desired with the loss of Lewis.

[cwfRaven]

[quote name='Jordan2540' timestamp='1359050044' post='1329074']
Ed reed is one of the best players in the NFL also if Ravens win the superbowl they can probaly afford him again
[/quote]
[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359051314' post='1329112']
lmao what a ridiculous first post.

Ed reed was one of the best players on the nfl. He's not even one of the best safety's in the league anymore I could name probably five I'd rather have next season. And no a Super Bowl win haS no bearing on whether we can afford him or not.

We either can, or more likely cant afford him regardless of what happens next Sunday.
[/quote]

Jordan - On behalf of the board members with some class, I would like to apologize for the rudeness of Arnie's comment. You are entitled to you opinion and like many others, come here to share your thoughts and learn - nothing ridiculous about that.

Arnie - Really dude? Totally uncalled for. Way to welcome a fellow Ravens fan. smh

[HaX]

They'll work it out, reed is a raven.

[codizzle]

[quote name='cwfRaven' timestamp='1359082706' post='1329774']



Jordan - On behalf of the board members with some class, I would like to apologize for the rudeness of Arnie's comment. You are entitled to you opinion and like many others, come here to share your thoughts and learn - nothing ridiculous about that.

Arnie - Really dude? Totally uncalled for. Way to welcome a fellow Ravens fan. smh
[/quote]
Actually kind of tame for arnie...

He's just a feisty old Brit

[1/28/01]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1359086226' post='1329858']

Actually kind of tame for arnie...

He's just a feisty old Brit
[/quote]

Yeah, this was nothing. Ha!

[Dudeman]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359058558' post='1329351']
And edit, it's not an unpopular opinion, I've noticed you've really came back into posting lately but earlier in the year there was a lot of people posting similar things to what I'm saying, the board was pretty split on ed reed. That's quieted a bit now we ve been winning, and I def don't go out of my way to criticise him, heck I wouldn't have mentioned it at all of that's poster didnt speak with such a guarantee.

But the fact of the matter is, reed isn't the same anymore, and we can't pay him based on his former self. People need to realise that.

Way I can see happening those is him hitting free agency like ray Lewis then getting a real shock to the system that no one else in the league wants to pay him what he wants either, then he may come back and settle for a lot less. Exactly what happened ray, bet no one here thought the front office would do that, but should just crumble at his demands and pay a mid 30 year old based on his performance when he was 10 years younger.

Poor business that would be
[/quote]

I've been around! Just usually I am busy, this week I've had the flu, so I have a little more free time than usual.

I think I took some of what you said out of context before. So I agree with a lot of what you said in order to clarify. But one thing I will say that I think you're under-rating Ed a lot and maybe being a little harsh?

Maybe Ed isn't physically what he used to be, but he still seems to cover a lot of ground. His awareness, and attention to detail in this years play-offs have been a real difference maker. Before the season I'd be right there with you, but right now I feel a lot better knowing #20 is out on the field for us in the Super Bowl.

Lastly, I'm just not big on comparing players to other players. Ed is still one of the best in the business, and no it's not purple shades that makes it seems like no-one is seeing declining production. It's that it is amazing that he can still play at this level after all the games and injuries he's been through.

[wayne]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359074408' post='1329647']
My opinion on ed Reed has nothing to do with rice. If reed wants a reasonable deal I'd snap him up without thinking.

I think what will happen here is exactly what will happen with lewis. He will over value himself, we will let him hit free agency, he won't get what he wants and ends up back here.

[b][color=#000000]But ed reed is no where near the player he once was,[/color][/b] and people act as if he still is. As if its a sin to criticise his play.

[color=#ff0000]Like Ali told Howard Cossell who said nearly the exact same thing to him before the Foreman fight , " Cossell, you are no longer the man you were 5 years ago ". Of course Ed isn't the same player he was years ago, he's older with injuries so it's inevitable that all the greatest players in any sport you can think of have and will see this same type of faith. You make that seems like such a bad thing that he is no longer the player he once was. Lewis hasn't been the player he once was in the last 2-3 years IMO but.......... he makes up for that with his intangables.....awareness and being able to get everyone on the same page making sure players are not out of position and at the same time, calling out potnetial plays that he feel the next snap would be.... Ed does the same thing on the back end. They showed footage from the Patriots game and it seemed as if Ed was miked up for the game. You heard him telling Carey to jump a route and you hear him saying to watch out for the screen. It was a play that Cary got beat badly on and Brady could have hit him for a huge gain but you know whay he didn't even really look that way....... b/c Ed was babysitting Cary. Watch how critical Ed be in this up and coming SB as the Niners love to hit the seams. Only FS I would take over Ed right now maybe is Earl Thomas and that's probably it.[/color]

[b][color=#000000]He's been a lot better lately and do you want to know why? Because he's been sitting in his zone exactly where they play was drew up and not leaving his post. He hasn't been guessing and making wrong moves blowing coverages which he done a lot in the earlier part of the year. Maybe its the level of qb he has been up against and respects them more.[/color][/b]

[color=#ff0000]I think it has more to do with the quality of QBs we faced . I say this and I say it loud..... if we just keep Ed to play the traditional Cover 2 shell, I would rather him retire b/c you can bring any blow joe in here to do that ( think Zibi ). Yea, I would like for him to cut back on the number of chances he takes and he has seemed to do that but I still want him taking chances from time to time.[/color]

He's made a lot of wrong reads and just doesn't have the recovery speed to get back to where he should be, and he can't tackle. If he's looking to be paid top dollar he isn't worth it, but it he takes a reasonable deal, id love him back.

[b][color=#000000]But to not even have people on this board able to admit he's greatly declined recently is a joke.[/color][/b]

[color=#ff0000]I haven't read one person on here deny that Ed has declined but what I and many others feel you are doing is under valuing Ed big time. We always can have Denver's FS amongst a lot other FS's in the league where their secondary is getting scorched. Lets be real here....... look at who we have in our secondary.... Corey Graham- Never cracked the #2 CB at Chicago and was used for special teams mostly........ Cary Williams- No explanation needed.... Jimmy Smith- Hasn't looked like what we thought he would look like but I know injuries have affected him.......Pollard- Was known for not being good against the pass..... and that's just 4 people I named, the other ones fit under a similar category. You think Ed being on the back end doesn't have anything to do with how good they been playing? Now, I'm not saying that Ed is the ONLY reason why they are playing good b/c that would be foolish to say that, but, I'm sure he has something to do with it.[/color]

[/quote]

Of course Ed isn't the same as he once was but Ed have set such a high standard when people watched him back in the day that when they watch him now and he's playing at a similar level than other FS's around the league now, he has fell off or it's time for him to retire b/c he ain't getting pick 6's or picks every game. Ed will retire a Raven, Ozzie is not dumb! To lose Ed and Ray in the same year would probably be a huge blow to our defense and the morale of our defense.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1359098211' post='1330007']


Of course Ed isn't the same as he once was but Ed have set such a high standard when people watched him back in the day that when they watch him now and he's playing at a similar level than other FS's around the league now, he has fell off or it's time for him to retire b/c he ain't getting pick 6's or picks every game. Ed will retire a Raven, Ozzie is not dumb! To lose Ed and Ray in the same year would probably be a huge blow to our defense and the morale of our defense.
[/quote]I'm picking out one thing you said. About ed sitting in his shell and anyone can do that.

Has the defense been better since he's been doing that or was it better before when he was allowed to room?

Pretty obvious to me. When ed does his roll and doesn't let the deep ball happen our corners play better our hole defense plays better.

That's my issue. Ed wants to roam and thats what he was once great at but this year has shown its more a hindrance than an advantage. Now maybe Webb back next year shutting down one side of the field with graham on the other will be diff.

But right now this defense is better with a fs that plays his zone and role, not one roaming about. Eds been great in the playoffs doing that, but he won't do it 16 games a year and its cost us more than its one this season.

[HoldingCall]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1359049263' post='1329044']
It's going to be weird seeing Reed in a Patriots jersey.
[/quote]

Don't count out Denver! With Ed back there Jacoby's catch becomes an interception. Imagine that! He is still valuable enough to get a contract from a team that is close to his present one.

On the other hand, be aware that Ed lives as he play, no one knows what he is going to do. He may decide to play next year, retire immediately, or retire well after the season ends. That's just Ed! I wish him well whatever he decides but it would be nice to see him finish as a Raven.

[EricH]

Fine, as long as it is for another team.
Unless Ed brings a serious hometown discount to the table, we need to get him his ring and then let him ride off into the sunset.
We have younger players to be concerned with on our 2013 roster. If we have a choice between Reed or Ellerbe/Kruger...we need to go with the long term investment. Heck, bite my tongue, but Cary Williams has actually been making bigger plays and been faster to the ball than Ed as of late.

Sorry Ed. But its only business.

[EricH]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359102268' post='1330032']

Pretty obvious to me. When ed does his roll and doesn't let the deep ball happen our corners play better our hole defense plays better.

That's my issue. Ed wants to roam and thats what he was once great at but this year has shown its more a hindrance than an advantage. Now maybe Webb back next year shutting down one side of the field with graham on the other will be diff.
[/quote]
Yeah, Ed no longer has the speed to do such. At least once in every game Ed gets beaten over the top either through bad angles or lack of burst as he once had. The play in the beginning of last week's game in which Welker was open but dropped the ball for a long completion and most likely touchdown...Ed was way out of position and was not even close to be in position to make a tackle.
He also missed the open field tackle on Welker that set up the following Pats td.
Don't get me wrong, everyone misses a play or two.
But currently Ed is about .500 for plays made as t plays missed. So, they puts him as currently playing average.

And to say qb's are afraid to throw Ed's way is a joke. It's like saying guys are afraid to come across the middle because of Ray Lewis...which they do all the time.
These young bucks all know Ed Reed. But they aren't afraid of him.

[arnie_uk]

According to pff ed reed is 19th in coverage snaps per reception this year. Gave up 19 receptions for 329 yards, and 3 touchdowns.

He's is 39 best on touchdowns, there is only. 21 out of the 59 that have played 50percent of their teams snaps have up more yards than him.

He is however equal fourth in interceptions.

There is also only 10 safety's with a worse tackling efficiency than he has this season. They have him missing 14 tackles.

Stats aren't the be all and end all, but the back up what I've seen with my eyes, he's often out of position and late on play resulting in big yardage and touchdowns, and when he is there no one can trust him to make the tackle.

Then enter the postseason and he plays his role, plays his zone, low and behold, I don't think we've gave up one pass greater than 20 yards in three games, no blown coverage touchdowns and and overall better defense.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='cwfRaven' timestamp='1359082706' post='1329774']



Jordan - On behalf of the board members with some class, I would like to apologize for the rudeness of Arnie's comment. You are entitled to you opinion and like many others, come here to share your thoughts and learn - nothing ridiculous about that.

Arnie - Really dude? Totally uncalled for. Way to welcome a fellow Ravens fan. smh
[/quote]i wouldn't have had to welcome him like that if he didnt say ed is one of the best players in the nfl and the outcome of the Super Bowl affects whether we can afford to sign him or not.

If he say he once was, and is a 1st ballot hof safety I'd have gave him a plus 1. But ed is no longer one of the best safety's let alone players. His play has just declined, its human nature, injuries have took there toll on him, at least I can admit it instead of living in the past.

There is still people here can't admit rays aged and isn't what he once was.

Some, very few actually, just need to wake up and smell the coffee, our elite defenders aren't what they once were and its not their fault, they've just aged.

People also need to realise the injuries Suggs has had, combined with his age, and the snaps he's seen over his carrer he may. Not be the same player he was last season again. His burst and push of that heel could be gone.

Ngata may also just never be 100 percent fit again, so expect him to lose a lot of battles throughout the year, while other games when he's feeling as close to perfect as he may ever be, he will dominate everyone and anyone lined up in front of him.

If they don't come back fully fit neither will dominate the whole year like the have done previously, the game has took it's toll of them as well. Ngata has even said he's contemplating retirement shortly due to the toll it's took on his body.

We can't live in the past with these players and not be afraid to criticise them, or let them hit the open market which could happen with ed just because of who they once were.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359120707' post='1330075']
i wouldn't have had to welcome him like that if he didnt say ed is one of the best players in the nfl and the outcome of the Super Bowl affects whether we can afford to sign him or not.

If he say he once was, and is a 1st ballot hof safety I'd have gave him a plus 1. But ed is no longer one of the best safety's let alone players. His play has just declined, its human nature, injuries have took there toll on him, at least I can admit it instead of living in the past.

There is still people here can't admit rays aged and isn't what he once was.

Some, very few actually, just need to wake up and smell the coffee, our elite defenders aren't what they once were and its not their fault, they've just aged.

People also need to realise the injuries Suggs has had, combined with his age, and the snaps he's seen over his carrer he may. Not be the same player he was last season again. His burst and push of that heel could be gone.

Ngata may also just never be 100 percent fit again, so expect him to lose a lot of battles throughout the year, while other games when he's feeling as close to perfect as he may ever be, he will dominate everyone and anyone lined up in front of him.

If they don't come back fully fit neither will dominate the whole year like the have done previously, the game has took it's toll of them as well. Ngata has even said he's contemplating retirement shortly due to the toll it's took on his body.

We can't live in the past with these players and not be afraid to criticise them, or let them hit the open market which could happen with ed just because of who they once were.
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all these said (which are true), he's still getting respect from QBs like Manning and Brady... think why didn't they go deep more often on us if all stats show Ed's been poorly this year... was it about 3 times both of them tried to burn us deep, makes you wander what he brings to the table even when he's not playing his better game (not even close to best)
there's an article somewhere... I read it yesterday (my mind's gone blank where, sorry)... saying Ed will be the extra factor in the SB just because Kap won't be giving him any plesantries... so Ed'll will prove his worth by picking him for a couple

[EricH]

People that seriously think Ed is currently one of the best in the NFL must not see the games in person; you can actually see how out of position he is many times. Granted he does look better on tv.
Or they simply refuse to stop drinking the Reeeeeeed Koolade.

[redlobster]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1359065059' post='1329515']


I mean seriously. Ask Manning or Brady how horrible Ed Reed is. He's one of the biggest reasons we're IN the Super Bowl right now. Jeezum crow, some of you posters are out of your minds and putting your feet in your mouths like you're Rex Ryan. Get a grip. This is the same stuff we heard when all those rumors were flying about Ray Rice wanting, 'Adrian Peterson money,'. All of the peanut gallery started talking about how bad Rice was and how they could name a bunch of RBs they'd rather have and how much, 'tread on the tires,' Ray already had and yada yada. Yet somehow, Ray Rice is again, one of the main reasons we're in the Super Bowl. Give. Me. A. Break.
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Joe Flacco is the main reason the team is in the Super Bowl , not reed or rice

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1359049798' post='1329070']
He's 34 with a bad injury history including nerve damage. It's time for him to hang up the pads. As amusing as it is to see people try to justify his poor play and unwillingness to tackle, we're much better off moving on from Reed. He doesn't have it anymore.
[/quote]Ed hasn't missed a game this ENTIRE SEASON. And regardless of what you think, he is still a nightmare to game plan against. Quarterbacks by the name of Brady and Manning avoid his side of the field. You can't replicate that with a rookie or second year player. Ed is extremely valuable to the way we play defense with man on man coverage on the outside.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1359057721' post='1329328']
I wonder what he'll say tomorrow.

Seriously though, if we win the big dance and Reed doesn't retire, I'll be a tad disappointed for lack of a better word. That's going to hurt the cap, and at this point he should just go out on top. He's been contemplating retirement for years. Why not just go out on top and let the team rebuild?
[/quote]He's not some old guy that can barely play. He's 34 years of age. That's essentially middle aged for a free safety. Just look at what Darren Sharper was able to do late into his 30's. Ed has a good 4 years left. That surgery on his hip added YEARS to his career.

[wayne]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1359120272' post='1330072']
According to pff ed reed is 19th in coverage snaps per reception this year. Gave up 19 receptions for 329 yards, and 3 touchdowns.

He's is 39 best on touchdowns, there is only. 21 out of the 59 that have played 50percent of their teams snaps have up more yards than him.

He is however equal fourth in interceptions.

There is also only 10 safety's with a worse tackling efficiency than he has this season. They have him missing 14 tackles.

Stats aren't the be all and end all, but the back up what I've seen with my eyes, [b]he's often out of position and late on play resulting in big yardage and touchdowns,[/b] and when he is there no one can trust him to make the tackle.

Then enter the postseason and he plays his role, plays his zone, low and behold, I don't think we've gave up one pass greater than 20 yards in three games, no blown coverage touchdowns and and overall better defense.
[/quote]

Got to use your common sense also. If Ed is often out of position, we would be getting scorched in the secondary like a lot of other teams get scorched in the secondary but that's not the case. Also, if you think QBs are nnot afraid of throwing at Ed, you watch the games, don't you? How many times have you just seen passes go towards where Ed is at?