Report: Joe Flacco looking for at least $20 mil/year

[Guest llwillow1231]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1362169344' post='1373593']
The lack of knowledge with NFL salaries and their inner workings by most here is what is making this thread so heated. Wow!
[/quote]still learning we all have to learn . trolls not people trying to learn are making this thread heated

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='llwillow1231' timestamp='1362169409' post='1373598']
ok thanks then lets go with that and lock this thread lol.
[/quote]the issue then is the latter years of the deal are going to have huge cap hits. Like Suggs and ngata will have.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362169625' post='1373604']
the issue then is the latter years of the deal are going to have huge cap hits. Like Suggs and ngata will have.
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Cap is predicted to go up substantially in 2014 though w/ the new TV contracts, so it'd likely be better to lower his cap hit in the first two years and expand it in the last 4.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1362169877' post='1373610']


Cap is predicted to go up substantially in 2014 though w/ the new TV contracts, so it'd likely be better to lower his cap hit in the first two years and expand it in the last 4.
[/quote]and with that comes cam newton, Matt Ryan, RG3, luck, wilson and the likes being signed to more than 20 mil a year averages leaving flaccos deal a bargain in comparison. That's how I see it going with the way contracts are rising

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362169986' post='1373611']
and with that comes cam newton, Matt Ryan, RG3, luck, wilson and the likes being signed to more than 20 mil a year averages leaving flaccos deal a bargain in comparison. That's how I see it going with the way contracts are rising
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Yeah, I think as we see continued cap increases, naturally the average QB salary will follow suit.

I'd love to see some info on how the average QB's salary as a percentage of the cap has changed throughout the years. I imagine as the NFL has become a more passing league the percentage has skyrocketed. Whether we will see these increases level off is yet to be seen.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1362168955' post='1373583']
Exactly, QBs, as we've seen from Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Tom Brady even Aaron Rodgers-they can consistently be found ANYWHERE in the draft. 3rd round, 2nd round, 6th round, wherever. RBs--hah. Those guys are hard to find. You have to look under a rocks and then you'll still be lucky. Even if you have the #1 overall pick you can turn a bad stone (ki-jana carter) or have a guy who doesn't live up to his potential (Reggie Bush). I'd pay Ray Rice whatever we can give him. Heck, a pass rusher is easier to find than a great RB.

I just want him to sign and get this over with now. Lock him up long-term. 20M a year is fine by me.

I'll get flack for this, but I really feel like we could have done without Joe Flacco. I'm happy we have him, because I love him as a player, but his contract is hurting us more than Suggs & Ngata.
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I don't argue with arrogant people who won't see reason. You're clearly blind or stupid, the latter of which doesn't deserve my effort.

[runamuk]

[quote name='llwillow1231' timestamp='1362168572' post='1373577']
I did read the article that Lacanfora wrote well i stopped when i saw pay Joe a salary of 5 mil and 4 mill no qb on this planet is going to play for that much money . i doubt u could get any 5 year veteran to play for that amount of money . thank god he is not making the contract . wow he made more on his rookie contract
[/quote]check your pm i sent you a detailed explanation of nfl contracts plus links for further details . they r very indepth each one is different .

[runamuk]

[quote name='Clayton Bigsby' timestamp='1362166050' post='1373542']
Yeah you have intelligent conversation yet you come back with a weak reply full of insults ,no logic, nor rebuttal to any of my points. Great job



Oh, no doubt Flacco's postseason performance was nothing short of amazing and he definitely earned himself a good amount because of it. However, let's not act like he wasn't extremely underwhelming at times throughout the season. His up and down regular season production doesn't equate to being [i]the highest paid player in the league[/i]. My whole argument is just that he doesn't deserve to be the highest paid player in the NFL because his whole body of work just doesn't show it.

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Sorry if I struck the wrong cord with anyone for my comments but I'm just being reasonable. Flacco getting $20 million a year means he is on the level of Drew Brees. I love Joe but I'm not afraid to admit without hesitation that he isn't on par with him as of yet.
[/quote]I think his ceiling now is so high he could get a brees contract or close to it . fans aren't always going to agree everyone has favorite players . joe is not done yet and if he wins 5 more superbowls when he is done then wow this thread will look silly. i think 20 mill is high for any player including Joe. and i don't care if you name is manning brady rodgers no oen is worth 20 mil. he is going to get close to that regardless of what the fans want
as for the last part of your post . first off you attack someone over something they never said call them a "child" that's not reasonable. expecting them to respond after that ......

[DocMartin]

[quote name='Clayton Bigsby' timestamp='1362135131' post='1373177']


He [i]definitely[/i] doesn't deserve $20 million a year. Eli Manning type of money is what he needs because that is who he most resembles. Hot and cold QB, capable of turning it on in the big games. You're telling me a guy who has never cracked 4,000 throwing yards nor gone over 30 passing TDs deserves to be the highest paid QB in t he league? Child please...

What other QB do I want? I don't want another QB. Joe is my guy. Joe is our guy. Don't think I am slighting his talent because he sure as hell has tons of it. However, just because we are in no position to [i]get[/i] a better QB doesn't mean we break bank and overpay him..:S! That's the stupid logic that desperate teams like the Raiders use.

We do in fact pay for past performance. Tons of players in the NFL "have potential" but you won't get that big contract until you start turning that potential into production. We all thought Mark Clayton had potential. That Demetrius Williams dude as well. Antwan Barnes sure seemed as if he had tons of potential. Now tell me, what are those guys doing in the NFL right now [b]that is of significance[/b]? Barnes is the only one who is signed to a roster (I'm pretty sure but I could be wrong, oh well) but he's doing just about as much on the field as Clayton and Williams are.
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Thank You, finally voice of reason.
Some folks here think Joe Flacco is SUPERMAN, obviously his agent thinks the same. And who do you think Put That 20 MILLION NUMBER out there? He did. And his explanation:' Well, my client outplayed Peyton Manning who makes 18 mil and Tom Brady who makes 17 mil, both on the road, won Superbowl like Dre Brees who makes 20 mil, and is younger than all of them, so he deserves to be highest paid QB." So when you keep hearing this over and over, some folks just start believing it. And that's why the deal is not done, because Ravens will not pay rhat 20 mil/year.
And I agree with Eli Manning comparison. Eli makes 15mil and has 2 rings. I believe Joe is better QB than Eli. Do I believe Joe is 5 millions better than Eli? No.
Do I believe Joe might earn 20 mil contract? Probably one day, but not now.

[The Raven]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362175053' post='1373682']
Thank You, finally voice of reason.
Some folks here think Joe Flacco is SUPERMAN, obviously his agent thinks the same. And who do you think Put That 20 MILLION NUMBER out there? He did. And his explanation:' Well, my client outplayed Peyton Manning who makes 18 mil and Tom Brady who makes 17 mil, both on the road, won Superbowl like Dre Brees who makes 20 mil, and is younger than all of them, so he deserves to be highest paid QB." So when you keep hearing this over and over, some folks just start believing it. And that's why the deal is not done, because Ravens will not pay rhat 20 mil/year.
And I agree with Eli Manning comparison. Eli makes 15mil and has 2 rings. I believe Joe is better QB than Eli. Do I believe Joe is 5 millions better than Eli? No.
[b]Do I believe Joe might earn 20 mil contract? Probably one day, but not now.[/b]
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Well, ya see here... This contract is going to be his big pay day. If he's going to get a massive contract the time is now. When it's over, Joe will be in his mid 30s. Is that when you want him to get his $20 million deal? As opposed to when he's 28 and entering his prime? Okay! Makes sense!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362175053' post='1373682']
Thank You, finally voice of reason.
Some folks here think Joe Flacco is SUPERMAN, obviously his agent thinks the same. And who do you think Put That 20 MILLION NUMBER out there? He did. And his explanation:' Well, my client outplayed Peyton Manning who makes 18 mil and Tom Brady who makes 17 mil, both on the road, won Superbowl like Dre Brees who makes 20 mil, and is younger than all of them, so he deserves to be highest paid QB." So when you keep hearing this over and over, some folks just start believing it. And that's why the deal is not done, because Ravens will not pay rhat 20 mil/year.
And I agree with Eli Manning comparison. Eli makes 15mil and has 2 rings. I believe Joe is better QB than Eli. Do I believe Joe is 5 millions better than Eli? No.
Do I believe Joe might earn 20 mil contract? Probably one day, but not now.
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Eli was paid his $15 mil before he won his 2nd Super Bowl and it made him the highest paid QB at the time. So I'm glad you agree that Joe should be paid just like Eli was after his first Super Bowl, ergo Joe should be made the highest paid QB at this time! Great!

[Guest llwillow1231]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362175929' post='1373695']
Eli was paid his $15 mil before he won his 2nd Super Bowl and it made him the highest paid QB at the time. So I'm glad you agree that Joe should be paid just like Eli was after his first Super Bowl, ergo Joe should be made the highest paid QB at this time! Great!
[/quote]you know you messed his whole weekend up with this post right lol.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='llwillow1231' timestamp='1362176112' post='1373697']
you know you messed his whole weekend up with this post right lol.
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Oops!

Nah, I have faith all will go well and get done. Perhaps not by the 4th, which will bring out the exclusive tag, but by the 10th or 11th at the latest. The Front Office, coaches, players etc all praise Joe, want him a Raven for life, he wants to be a Raven for life, it will be fine. We went through this with Ray Rice as well.

Truth be told, I don't think it will be a $20 mil figure because I see Joe taking a little less to help the cap situation. I know he doesn't want to see Boldin or Jacoby go anywhere.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362175929' post='1373695']


Eli was paid his $15 mil before he won his 2nd Super Bowl and it made him the highest paid QB at the time. So I'm glad you agree that Joe should be paid just like Eli was after his first Super Bowl, ergo Joe should be made the highest paid QB at this time! Great!
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No. Peyton Manning was highest paid QB at that time. And Colts let him go 2 years ago because he was due 23 mil and they just couldn't pay it. Maybe you like the Ravens to follow the same path.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362176700' post='1373703']
No. Peyton Manning was highest paid QB at that time. And Colts let him go 2 years ago because he was due 23 mil and they just couldn't pay it. Maybe you like the Ravens to follow the same path.
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Untrue. In fact, Eli's contract made him the highest paid player EVER in NFL history.

Read it and weep:

"[color=#000000][font=Arial][size=3]His annual average is $1.25 million more than his brother's and 50% more than Brady's $10 million."[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=Arial][size=3]source: [/size][/font][/color]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-eli-manning-highest-paid-quarterback-nfl-best-article-1.394953

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362175929' post='1373695']


Eli was paid his $15 mil before he won his 2nd Super Bowl and it made him the highest paid QB at the time. So I'm glad you agree that Joe should be paid just like Eli was after his first Super Bowl, ergo Joe should be made the highest paid QB at this time! Great!
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You must get a lot of practice at this living in Steeler Country. You're like Ninja Assassin. So quite, short and to the point but deadly.

I've given up with arguing with people who can't see what's in front of them. But I still enjoy watching the slaughter. Lol

[codizzle]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362176700' post='1373703']

No. Peyton Manning was highest paid QB at that time. And Colts let him go 2 years ago because he was due 23 mil and they just couldn't pay it. Maybe you like the Ravens to follow the same path.
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Pretty sure they let him go for more reasons than just money

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362176700' post='1373703']
No. Peyton Manning was highest paid QB at that time. And Colts let him go 2 years ago because he was due 23 mil and they just couldn't pay it. Maybe you like the Ravens to follow the same path.
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You are really out of touch in the football world aren't you? They didn't let Peyton go because of salary. They let him go because he is a vet on the backside of his career, was coming off 4 surgeries, and Andrew Luck's father was grumbling about seeing what he could do to send his son elsewhere if he wasn't going to be the starter. They sucked for Luck and they weren't letting anything mess with that.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1362175438' post='1373686']


Well, ya see here... This contract is going to be his big pay day. If he's going to get a massive contract the time is now. When it's over, Joe will be in his mid 30s. Is that when you want him to get his $20 million deal? As opposed to when he's 28 and entering his prime? Okay! Makes sense!
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Deal could be structured with Joe getting 20 mil in later years, thats what Im trying to say here. And put some incentives into it as well. But if Joe Linta keeps saying PAY THE MAN 20 MIL NOW, well Ravens might as well slap the Franchise Tag on him.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1362176889' post='1373708']
You must get a lot of practice at this living in Steeler Country. You're like Ninja Assassin. So quite, short and to the point but deadly.

I've given up with arguing with people who can't see what's in front of them. But I still enjoy watching the slaughter. Lol
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Oh yes. Steeler Country is always fun! I can't wait for this year when I expect Flacco to outplay Big Ben by leaps and bounds!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362176700' post='1373703']
No. Peyton Manning was highest paid QB at that time. And Colts let him go 2 years ago because he was due 23 mil and they just couldn't pay it. Maybe you like the Ravens to follow the same path.
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Pretty sure it had more to do with the fact that Peyton was coming off his 4th neck surgery and they weren't sure if he would ever play again. Not to mention they were gift-dropped the supposed best quarterback prospect since Elway and would rather role the dice on him than Manning. It makes no sense that they couldn't pay it - they designed the contract, of course they could pay it. The Patriots had no problem paying Tom Brady 24 million the past 2 seasons.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362177087' post='1373711']
Deal could be structured with Joe getting 20 mil in later years, thats what Im trying to say here. And put some incentives into it as well. [b]But if Joe Linta keeps saying PAY THE MAN 20 MIL NOW[/b], well Ravens might as well slap the Franchise Tag on him.
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That's completely false.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/ravens/2013/02/26/joe-flacco-contract-tom-brady-patriots/1948879/?sf9923463=1

[DocMartin]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362177074' post='1373710']



You are really out of touch in the football world aren't you? They didn't let Peyton go because of salary. They let him go because he is a vet on the backside of his career, was coming off 4 surgeries, and Andrew Luck's father was grumbling about seeing what he could do to send his son elsewhere if he wasn't going to be the starter. They sucked for Luck and they weren't letting anything mess with that.
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You are out of touch because you believe everything rhey feed you. Do you know Peyton was evaluate numerous times by independent doctors and they all said He Is Fine. Colts Used The Excuse He Will Never Be The Same and decided to spent their 23 millions on somebody else. Why would Broncos pay him 18 mil a year if he waz that bad?

[Ragin'Raven]

Life's crazy sometimes. People feed families of 7 on $30,000 a year, and then we have situations like this. Ah, to be so lucky.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1362177338' post='1373714']


That's completely false.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/ravens/2013/02/26/joe-flacco-contract-tom-brady-patriots/1948879/?sf9923463=1
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That article is useless. The only thing worth mentioning is Linta saying: This deal could be done in 3 minutes or 3 years. Hahaha. If he wanted it done in 3 minutes, he could have sign it, but he didn't.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362176864' post='1373707']


Untrue. In fact, Eli's contract made him the highest paid player EVER in NFL history.

Read it and weep:

"[color=#000000][font=Arial][size=3]His annual average is $1.25 million more than his brother's and 50% more than Brady's $10 million."[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=Arial][size=3]source: [/size][/font][/color]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-eli-manning-highest-paid-quarterback-nfl-best-article-1.394953
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At this point I think you are just having fun. It's funny how common sense doesn't seem so common.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1362178114' post='1373720']
At this point I think you are just having fun. It's funny how common sense doesn't seem so common.
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You'd think they had to write his check for him with how concerned they are about how much money he does or doesn't get. I just want them to get it inked so that he is a Raven for a long time and we can focus on our other players. I dont' care if it's $20 mil, $40 mil or $1 measly dollar lol

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362178014' post='1373719']
That article is useless. The only thing worth mentioning is Linta saying: This deal could be done in 3 minutes or 3 years. Hahaha. If he wanted it done in 3 minutes, he could have sign it, but he didn't.
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Nope, it just proves you either lied or don't know what you're taking about - YOU said Linta said pay the man 20 million NOW, as in next year, when Linta said they're working with the cap. Please show me the exact article or quote where Linta said "pay 20 million now, in 2013".

[DocMartin]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362176864' post='1373707']


Untrue. In fact, Eli's contract made him the highest paid player EVER in NFL history.

Read it and weep:

"[color=#000000][font=Arial][size=3]His annual average is $1.25 million more than his brother's and 50% more than Brady's $10 million."[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=Arial][size=3]source: [/size][/font][/color]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-eli-manning-highest-paid-quarterback-nfl-best-article-1.394953
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Hey Ninja, you are correct and I was wrong, I admit, got years mixed up with Peyton and Eli. Well, since we talk about Flacco deal and you in PA, I figure I throw this in the mix. Also from the article: Tom Brady and Big Ben are the only QBs to win 2 SuperBowls in 1st 5 season in NFL. How much is Big Ben getting paid?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1362178929' post='1373730']
Hey Ninja, you are correct and I was wrong, I admit, got years mixed up with Peyton and Eli. Well, since we talk about Flacco deal and you in PA, I figure I throw this in the mix. Also from the article: Tom Brady and Big Ben are the only QBs to win 2 SuperBowls in 1st 5 season in NFL. How much is Big Ben getting paid?
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Ben has only had one complete season, so IMO he isn't worth much of anything right now. You aren't helping your team if you're off the field more than you are on it. It's really hard to tell what Ben is actually getting paid, they've restructured him four times now. But I'll play. Back in 2008, before he won his 2nd Super Bowl, he inked a deal that made HIM the highest paid player in the NFL history.

"[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]The contract, which includes more than $36 million in guarantees and is easily the largest in team history, places Roethlisberger among the game's highest-paid players. In comparison,[/size][/font][/color][url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4256"]Peyton Manning[/url][color=#333333][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3] received a $34.5 million signing bonus in his big deal and [/size][/font][/color][url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5448"]Michael Vick[/url][color=#333333][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]received $37 million in guarantees from the Falcons in his mega deal."[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]That was in March of 2008. [/size][/font][/color]