Report: Joe Flacco looking for at least $20 mil/year

[hawkprey]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362160709' post='1373435']
lol Mike Preston & the Cincy Jungle? ?Really?

Funny though, because before the Denver game, Preston said this:

"But that can change starting Saturday. If Flacco can play well in Denver and then the following week to get the Ravens to the Super Bowl, he'll hold the trump card once negotiations start....No one is saying a word this year, but they shouldn't. If Flacco wants to be shown the money, he hs to show the production in crunch time against elite quarterbacks. That starts Saturday in Denver."


[center][color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]so now that Flacco did what he said, he wants to change his tune? lol As for anything out of Cincy, um, yeah whatever. [/size][/font][/color][/center]
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All year we had to hear stuff like "Ok Flacco, you want top 5 money..." then "Go beat Manning, go beat Brady, don't let this rookie beat you at home, win the Super Bowl". Turns out it was all just setting a bar too high for him to reach and then skipping out when he actually reached it.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1362159931' post='1373413']
[url="http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=234398"]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=234398[/url]

[url="http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=235165"]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=235165[/url]

Two good articles for the Flacco haters to enjoy and for the Flacco supporters to get definsive about. Read if you want and of course hate on me if you must.
[/quote]mike Preston? Seriously? He's as big a troll as you are

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1362159931' post='1373413']
[url="http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=234398"]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=234398[/url]

[url="http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=235165"]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=235165[/url]

Two good articles for the Flacco haters to enjoy and for the Flacco supporters to get definsive about. Read if you want and of course hate on me if you must.
[/quote]out of interest, I seen on your profile you said don't sign flacco, what would you actually do if you were in charge?

[GrimCoconut]

If you want to blame anyone for the QB contracts or just the overpriced contracts in general then blame those teams who threw out countless dollars to QBs and those guys back when there was no spending limit on draft picks. The contracts they got were absurd. Rookies who earned more than veterans.

Absolutely absurd. It's the Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan, and especially the JaMarcus Russel deals that have caused the NFL to reach the point it is in today, because they had to match rookie deals which were rising at a ridiculous rate and also veteran deals.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1362159931' post='1373413']
[url="http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=234398"]http://www.prosports...rticleId=234398[/url]

[url="http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=235165"]http://www.prosports...rticleId=235165[/url]

Two good articles for the Flacco haters to enjoy and for the Flacco supporters to get definsive about. Read if you want and of course hate on me if you must.
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you are wannabe Bayless.......

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GermanRavensFan' timestamp='1362160531' post='1373431']


You better get my point.
In Manning and Brady I mentioned two QBs who will be seen as two of the best to ever play this game. Can you really argue that Joe is in that category. Is he really worth to be be the highest paid? Yes he won the SB, but other QBs have done that without asking for that much.
Dont get me wrong, I love Joe and what hes done this postseason was amazing, but I also love this TEAM!
Joe deserves to get paid big time.
But if it means that we have to choose between signing one guy and let five others go instead, then I have a bit of a problem with that.
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You have to understand the market before you can compare other QBs situations. Flacco isn't setting the market Brees did, Flacco is just cashing in on it.

Brady and Peyton set the market at 12-14M per. Between the years of 2008-09 Rivers, Eli and Ben were all either paid equal or more then Peyton and Brady. Were those 3 players better then Brady and Manning? Many will say no, yet the current market value suggested those "Next Era" guys got paid more because they where the next in line to be Elite.

Rivers, Ben and Eli set the market at 14-16M per. Peyton and Brady quickly reset the market at 17-18M. Brees soon came and set the Market at 20M which is where we stand now. The only reason guys like Eli and Rodgers aren't asking for 20M is because their contracts aren't up.

Also, the salary cap wasn't always 123M or whatever. So when 16M was considered the highest paid contract for Eli, his team had to find ways to make it work. As the salary cap raises so does the market for contracts. If history says anything Flacco will reset the market at 20-22M. Now because of the Ravens cap situation and Flacco knowing it's more about the team, he'll probably be willing to settle at 18M per but ask for 60M guaranteed. However don't be surprised to see Matt Ryan shoot for that 20-22M market.

As for Flacco not winning the Super Bowl with his teammates that's true. But name the backup TE and the FB who caught the back to back passes to help set up a game winning FG in the patriots Super Bowl.

[ravensdfan]

Let's put this 4,000 yards and 30 TDs to rest shall we?

Tom Brady - hit 4,000 in his 5th year as a starter but had a year holding the clip board. After that, he didn't hit it again until his 7th year as a starter and never passed for 30 TDs until his 7th year. He did so with 578 attempts. Joe's highest number of attempts is 542.

Peyton Manning indeed hit both numbers in his 3rd season. With 575 attempts, a number of attempts Joe has yet to hit. Peyton is the most consistent for 4,000 yards, and has the most seasons with over 30 TDS but has only had 3 seasons with attempts under Joe's highest of 542.

Rodgers is probably the best argument, having reached the pinnacle in his 2nd year as a starter with 541 attempts. However, Rodgers will make more than Joe when his contract is done, that is a given so he doesn't fall into this argument. Not to mention 4 years holding a clipboard and learning from Favre.

Big Ben hit that 30 TD mark in his 4th year with just over 400 attempts, however, did not hit 4,000 yards until his 6th year. And has never hit 30 TDs again and only hit 4,000 yards one other time. Partly due to shortened seasons, because he also has only had one complete season due to injuries. Durability is a key factor as well.

Eli Manning hit 4,000 yards in his 6th year. He managed 30 TDS in his 7th season.

Joe would have hit that 4,000 yards this season, his fifth year, if he had actually played in the Cincy game. However, he didn't so he finished the season with 3800 yards instead. He hasn't yet hit that 30 TDs, that's true. While I'm certain if I had the time I could statistically show that near the goal line, the Ravens run the ball for TDS more often than they attempt a pass for a TD, compared to other teams. I dont' have the time nor the energy though.

You act like everyone makes 4,000 yards and 30 TDS all the time. However, that isn't the case. Furthermore, in most cases (not all) the attempts are far more than Joe makes, which is just due to the nature of our team and the play calling. For a QB from Delaware, he's kept pace in his first five seasons, with no clip board learning curve, with QBs considered elite in the league for regular season statistics. Where he trumps them is wins. Add to that his record setting post season, and yes, he deserves to be the highest paid QB in the league until Rodgers does his deal.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362162945' post='1373496']
Let's put this 4,000 yards and 30 TDs to rest shall we?

Tom Brady - hit 4,000 in his 5th year as a starter but had a year holding the clip board. After that, he didn't hit it again until his 7th year as a starter and never passed for 30 TDs until his 7th year. He did so with 578 attempts. Joe's highest number of attempts is 542.

Peyton Manning indeed hit both numbers in his 3rd season. With 575 attempts, a number of attempts Joe has yet to hit. Peyton is the most consistent for 4,000 yards, and has the most seasons with over 30 TDS but has only had 3 seasons with attempts under Joe's highest of 542.

Rodgers is probably the best argument, having reached the pinnacle in his 2nd year as a starter with 541 attempts. However, Rodgers will make more than Joe when his contract is done, that is a given so he doesn't fall into this argument. Not to mention 4 years holding a clipboard and learning from Favre.

Big Ben hit that 30 TD mark in his 4th year with just over 400 attempts, however, did not hit 4,000 yards until his 6th year. And has never hit 30 TDs again and only hit 4,000 yards one other time. Partly due to shortened seasons, because he also has only had one complete season due to injuries. Durability is a key factor as well.

Eli Manning hit 4,000 yards in his 6th year. He managed 30 TDS in his 7th season.

Joe would have hit that 4,000 yards this season, his fifth year, if he had actually played in the Cincy game. However, he didn't so he finished the season with 3800 yards instead. He hasn't yet hit that 30 TDs, that's true. While I'm certain if I had the time I could statistically show that near the goal line, the Ravens run the ball for TDS more often than they attempt a pass for a TD, compared to other teams. I dont' have the time nor the energy though.

You act like everyone makes 4,000 yards and 30 TDS all the time. However, that isn't the case. Furthermore, in most cases (not all) the attempts are far more than Joe makes, which is just due to the nature of our team and the play calling. For a QB from Delaware, he's kept pace in his first five seasons, with no clip board learning curve, with QBs considered elite in the league for regular season statistics. Where he trumps them is wins. Add to that his record setting post season, and yes, he deserves to be the highest paid QB in the league until Rodgers does his deal.
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unfortunately, you have not put anything to rest :-( This will go on until flacco is signed

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1362162945' post='1373496']
Let's put this 4,000 yards and 30 TDs to rest shall we?

Tom Brady - hit 4,000 in his 5th year as a starter but had a year holding the clip board. After that, he didn't hit it again until his 7th year as a starter and never passed for 30 TDs until his 7th year. He did so with 578 attempts. Joe's highest number of attempts is 542.

Peyton Manning indeed hit both numbers in his 3rd season. With 575 attempts, a number of attempts Joe has yet to hit. Peyton is the most consistent for 4,000 yards, and has the most seasons with over 30 TDS but has only had 3 seasons with attempts under Joe's highest of 542.

Rodgers is probably the best argument, having reached the pinnacle in his 2nd year as a starter with 541 attempts. However, Rodgers will make more than Joe when his contract is done, that is a given so he doesn't fall into this argument. Not to mention 4 years holding a clipboard and learning from Favre.

Big Ben hit that 30 TD mark in his 4th year with just over 400 attempts, however, did not hit 4,000 yards until his 6th year. And has never hit 30 TDs again and only hit 4,000 yards one other time. Partly due to shortened seasons, because he also has only had one complete season due to injuries. Durability is a key factor as well.

Eli Manning hit 4,000 yards in his 6th year. He managed 30 TDS in his 7th season.

Joe would have hit that 4,000 yards this season, his fifth year, if he had actually played in the Cincy game. However, he didn't so he finished the season with 3800 yards instead. He hasn't yet hit that 30 TDs, that's true. While I'm certain if I had the time I could statistically show that near the goal line, the Ravens run the ball for TDS more often than they attempt a pass for a TD, compared to other teams. I dont' have the time nor the energy though.

You act like everyone makes 4,000 yards and 30 TDS all the time. However, that isn't the case. Furthermore, in most cases (not all) the attempts are far more than Joe makes, which is just due to the nature of our team and the play calling. For a QB from Delaware, he's kept pace in his first five seasons, with no clip board learning curve, with QBs considered elite in the league for regular season statistics. Where he trumps them is wins. Add to that his record setting post season, and yes, he deserves to be the highest paid QB in the league until Rodgers does his deal.
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Logic ans factual arguments dont work on trolls. You should know this by now :/

[arnie_uk]

I too am getting sick of This just like grim. A least this time last year there was a valid reason to not sign a running back to a long term deal and tag him a couple years. But that argument just can't be made for a franchise QB.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362163482' post='1373508']
I too am getting sick of This just like grim. A least this time last year there was a valid reason to not sign a running back to a long term deal and tag him a couple years. But that argument just can't be made for a franchise QB.
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Exactly. RBs, as we've seen from Foster, Martin, LaMichael James even, Morris--they can consistently be found ANYWHERE in the draft. Undrafted, 3rd round, 2nd round, 6th round--wherever. QBs--hah. Those guys are hard to find. You have to look under rocks and then you'll still be lucky. Even if you have the #1 overall pick you can turn a bad stone (JaMarcus) or have a guy who doesn't live up to his potential (Newton). I'd pay Flacco whatever we can give him. Heck, a pass rusher is easier to find than a great QB.

I just want him to sign and get this over with now. Lock him up long-term. 20M a year is fine by me.

I'll get flack for this, but I really feel like we could have done without Rice. I'm happy we have him, because I love him as a player, but his contract is hurting us more than Suggs & Ngata.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1362164415' post='1373519']

Exactly. RBs, as we've seen from Foster, Martin, LaMichael James even, Morris--they can consistently be found ANYWHERE in the draft. Undrafted, 3rd round, 2nd round, 6th round--wherever. QBs--hah. Those guys are hard to find. You have to look under rocks and then you'll still be lucky. Even if you have the #1 overall pick you can turn a bad stone (JaMarcus) or have a guy who doesn't live up to his potential (Newton). I'd pay Flacco whatever we can give him. Heck, a pass rusher is easier to find than a great QB.

I just want him to sign and get this over with now. Lock him up long-term. 20M a year is fine by me.

I'll get flack for this, but I really feel like we could have done without Rice. I'm happy we have him, because I love him as a player, but his contract is hurting us more than Suggs & Ngata.
[/quote]suggs and ngata will be gone soon, unless the take a massive payout neither will see another contract here. Frankly I'm not sure how many more guys we have on the roster deserving of a big payday. Jimmy smith may not see top money but just an average kind of deal unless he improves, ko is on course for a big yanda type deal, oher I think won't get a big deal, Torrey smith I'm still not quite sure where his value would be, Corey graham will get a decent sized deal but not massive, I don't think pittas will be that big, pierce won't get a big one because he will be second fiddle to rice probably his whole rookie deal, so he should come at a good price.

Lets also not forgot in two years time when every rookie will be under the new rookie wage scale, you will have four years worth of possibly 6 or 7 rookies, anywhere upto about 30 players all with very very very low cap numbers. Half our roster if not more at any time is on their rookie deal so half our roster will probably only count for a third of our cap number, leaving massive amounts for the vets we have to sign big deals, and as explained, besides flacco our next real big issue as I see it will be Torrey smith on two season, by then every rookie will be under the new scale, and maybe jimmy smith.

All the more reason to sign joe because if we don't once Suggs and ngata mammoth cap hits are off the books we'd be sitting with loads of cap and no one to pay.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362165705' post='1373537']
suggs and ngata will be gone soon, unless the take a massive payout neither will see another contract here. Frankly I'm not sure how many more guys we have on the roster deserving of a big payday. Jimmy smith may not see top money but just an average kind of deal unless he improves, ko is on course for a big yanda type deal, oher I think won't get a big deal, Torrey smith I'm still not quite sure where his value would be, Corey graham will get a decent sized deal but not massive, I don't think pittas will be that big, pierce won't get a big one because he will be second fiddle to rice probably his whole rookie deal, so he should come at a good price.

Lets also not forgot in two years time when every rookie will be under the new rookie wage scale, you will have four years worth of possibly 6 or 7 rookies, anywhere upto about 30 players all with very very very low cap numbers. Half our roster if not more at any time is on their rookie deal so half our roster will probably only count for a third of our cap number, leaving massive amounts for the vets we have to sign big deals, and as explained, besides flacco our next real big issue as I see it will be Torrey smith on two season, by then every rookie will be under the new scale, and maybe jimmy smith.

All the more reason to sign joe because if we don't once Suggs and ngata mammoth cap hits are off the books we'd be sitting with loads of cap and no one to pay.
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Absolutely true. Let's also remember who REPRESENTS Torrey Smith. None other than the shark Drew Rosenhaus. He also represents Jimmy Smith. We can only hope and pray they don't blow it up in their final years as well otherwise we might have a real problem with that guy. He's one of the hardest in the business to get a deal done, the same guy who gave us fits with Gaither.

And you're right. The rookie wage scale has really helped us a lot. Not just in terms of the obvious--the pay. It helps because stupid, stupid teams (Oakland) who offer massive deals to these rookies (JaMarcus) can't go screwing the rest of the league and raising the bar even higher. I honestly blame this whole overpriced FA situation on those poorly managed teams who just splurge ridiculous amounts of money.

[Clayton Bigsby]

[quote name='llwillow1231' timestamp='1362138906' post='1373184']
first off i'm not your child second i never said any of this and don't vent all over me like a rabid dog . read the post comment on the correct one otherwise you look like an idiot and get reported to the mods for it. i only have intelligent conversation either way your wrong. go back and quote the right post.
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Yeah you have intelligent conversation yet you come back with a weak reply full of insults ,no logic, nor rebuttal to any of my points. Great job

[quote name='RobFuseRaven' timestamp='1362138510' post='1373182']
I'd say Joe Flacco turned his potential into production when the O-Line was fixed, Cam Cameron was canned and he pulled an 11 Touchdown 0 Interception playoff run leading to a Super Bowl victory and MVP.
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Oh, no doubt Flacco's postseason performance was nothing short of amazing and he definitely earned himself a good amount because of it. However, let's not act like he wasn't extremely underwhelming at times throughout the season. His up and down regular season production doesn't equate to being [i]the highest paid player in the league[/i]. My whole argument is just that he doesn't deserve to be the highest paid player in the NFL because his whole body of work just doesn't show it.

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Sorry if I struck the wrong cord with anyone for my comments but I'm just being reasonable. Flacco getting $20 million a year means he is on the level of Drew Brees. I love Joe but I'm not afraid to admit without hesitation that he isn't on par with him as of yet.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362165705' post='1373537']
[b]suggs and ngata will be gone soon, unless the take a massive payout neither will see another contract here.[/b] Frankly I'm not sure how many more guys we have on the roster deserving of a big payday. Jimmy smith may not see top money but just an average kind of deal unless he improves, ko is on course for a big yanda type deal, oher I think won't get a big deal, Torrey smith I'm still not quite sure where his value would be, Corey graham will get a decent sized deal but not massive, I don't think pittas will be that big, pierce won't get a big one because he will be second fiddle to rice probably his whole rookie deal, so he should come at a good price.

Lets also not forgot in two years time when every rookie will be under the new rookie wage scale, you will have four years worth of possibly 6 or 7 rookies, anywhere upto about 30 players all with very very very low cap numbers. Half our roster if not more at any time is on their rookie deal so half our roster will probably only count for a third of our cap number, leaving massive amounts for the vets we have to sign big deals, and as explained, besides flacco our next real big issue as I see it will be Torrey smith on two season, by then every rookie will be under the new scale, and maybe jimmy smith.

[b]All the more reason to sign joe because if we don't once Suggs and ngata mammoth cap hits are off the books we'd be sitting with loads of cap and no one to pay.[/b]
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Thank goodness you are just a internet GM. Your evaluation of players are horrible.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Not sure if it's been posted yet.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21791947/a-smart-deal-can-be-made-that-more-than-satisfies-flacco-ravens

Interesting look from Jason La Canfora. I like the low cap hit this year, as it would help us retain quite a few other players w/ out ~$18mil of room.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1362166083' post='1373543']


Thank goodness you are just a internet GM. Your evaluation of players are horrible.
[/quote]sugss is already 30 and by the time his deal is up he will be in the league for what 13 years? With a torn Achilles and bicep recently? He may never have that same burst and explosion again, in two years time he won't be worth big money, in fact he might be worth very little to anyone but us. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I'm not saying cut these players, I'm saying when there deal runs out they won't seen even close to the yearly averages they are seeing now. That's what I meant by pay cut.

Same with ed reed, he won't see a big deal, and neither will they, if ngata and Suggs return they might not even make it into our top 10 of yearly averaged salaries.

And for the record ngata has also mentioned retirement, he may not even see out the rest of his deal.

Your the one that clearly can't see the situation for what it is. By you disagreeing with me you've said hat Suggs and ngata will deserve top tier money of thief positions after their deal is up well into the age of 30 and on the downside of their careers, is that correct? That's what you think? We should commit 10 or more mil a year on these two each after their current deals expire?

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1362166995' post='1373552']
Not sure if it's been posted yet.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21791947/a-smart-deal-can-be-made-that-more-than-satisfies-flacco-ravens

Interesting look from Jason La Canfora. I like the low cap hit this year, as it would help us retain quite a few other players w/ out ~$18mil of room.
[/quote]this is exactly what ever fan with common sense has been saying is possible and very probable. We want have a high cap hit the first couple of years if we get him done long term and by the time the big cap hits come, Suggs big deal will be of the books, ngata will be coming to and end, rices cap hits are lower in the latter years, and pretty much. 50 percent of our roster will be on rookie deals at very low cap hits so we can def handle the higher cap hits in the latter years, especially of there is any increase in the cap number from the tv deal.

[arnie_uk]

These are all issues teams would consider in big money deals. What other key elements are up for contract soon and will they garner big deals? What big contracts do we currently have, when do they run out and what would the expected going rate be for them when their deal runs out? Etc etc

What I'm saying is our two biggest contracts in Suggs and ngata will be off the books soon and if they are back wont be at high cap hits and the players we have on our roster replacing their big caps hits would be the likes of ko, a guard, smith a wr appear to be the main ones.

[Guest llwillow1231]

I did read the article that Lacanfora wrote well i stopped when i saw pay Joe a salary of 5 mil and 4 mill no qb on this planet is going to play for that much money . i doubt u could get any 5 year veteran to play for that amount of money . thank god he is not making the contract . wow he made more on his rookie contract

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='llwillow1231' timestamp='1362168572' post='1373577']
I did read the article that Lacanfora wrote well i stopped when i saw pay Joe a salary of 5 mil and 4 mill no qb on this planet is going to play for that much money . i doubt u could get any 5 year veteran to play for that amount of money . thank god he is not making the contract . wow he made more on his rookie contract
[/quote]jesus Christ dude. He's also getting a signing bonus of something like 40 or so mil. That he gets in his pocket immediately in that scenario. The four or five mil is just his annual salary.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1362164415' post='1373519']
Exactly. RBs, as we've seen from Foster, Martin, LaMichael James even, Morris--they can consistently be found ANYWHERE in the draft. Undrafted, 3rd round, 2nd round, 6th round--wherever. QBs--hah. Those guys are hard to find. You have to look under rocks and then you'll still be lucky. Even if you have the #1 overall pick you can turn a bad stone (JaMarcus) or have a guy who doesn't live up to his potential (Newton). I'd pay Flacco whatever we can give him. Heck, a pass rusher is easier to find than a great QB.

I just want him to sign and get this over with now. Lock him up long-term. 20M a year is fine by me.

I'll get flack for this, but I really feel like we could have done without Rice. I'm happy we have him, because I love him as a player, but his contract is hurting us more than Suggs & Ngata.
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Exactly, QBs, as we've seen from Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Tom Brady even Aaron Rodgers-they can consistently be found ANYWHERE in the draft. 3rd round, 2nd round, 6th round, wherever. RBs--hah. Those guys are hard to find. You have to look under a rocks and then you'll still be lucky. Even if you have the #1 overall pick you can turn a bad stone (ki-jana carter) or have a guy who doesn't live up to his potential (Reggie Bush). I'd pay Ray Rice whatever we can give him. Heck, a pass rusher is easier to find than a great RB.

I just want him to sign and get this over with now. Lock him up long-term. 20M a year is fine by me.

I'll get flack for this, but I really feel like we could have done without Joe Flacco. I'm happy we have him, because I love him as a player, but his contract is hurting us more than Suggs & Ngata.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1362168955' post='1373583']


Exactly, QBs, as we've seen from Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Tom Brady even Aaron Rodgers-they can consistently be found ANYWHERE in the draft. 3rd round, 2nd round, 6th round, wherever. RBs--hah. Those guys are hard to find. You have to look under a rocks and then you'll still be lucky. Even if you have the #1 overall pick you can turn a bad stone (ki-jana carter) or have a guy who doesn't live up to his potential (Reggie Bush). I'd pay Ray Rice whatever we can give him. Heck, a pass rusher is easier to find than a great RB.

I just want him to sign and get this over with now. Lock him up long-term. 20M a year is fine by me.

I'll get flack for this, but I really feel like we could have done without Joe Flacco. I'm happy we have him, because I love him as a player, but his contract is hurting us more than Suggs & Ngata.
[/quote]but the thing is it won't hurt us in the first couple of years and when it does hurt us, the tv deal should kick in etc etc. his cap number in the first tw po years will probably be no higher than what it was this year.

If they get it done that is

[Guest llwillow1231]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362168888' post='1373582']
jesus Christ dude. He's also getting a signing bonus of something like 40 or so mil. That he gets in his pocket immediately in that scenario. The four or five mil is just his annual salary.
[/quote] (dudette) i don't get this but its cool. it shows the bonus as prorated over the life of the contract i wasn't aware that he would get it all at once.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362167145' post='1373555']
sugss is already 30 and by the time his deal is up he will be in the league for what 13 years? With a torn Achilles and bicep recently? He may never have that same burst and explosion again, in two years time he won't be worth big money, in fact he might be worth very little to anyone but us. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I'm not saying cut these players, I'm saying when there deal runs out they won't seen even close to the yearly averages they are seeing now. That's what I meant by pay cut.

Same with ed reed, he won't see a big deal, and neither will they, if ngata and Suggs return they might not even make it into our top 10 of yearly averaged salaries.

And for the record ngata has also mentioned retirement, he may not even see out the rest of his deal.

Your the one that clearly can't see the situation for what it is. By you disagreeing with me you've said hat Suggs and ngata will deserve top tier money of thief positions after their deal is up well into the age of 30 and on the downside of their careers, is that correct? That's what you think? We should commit 10 or more mil a year on these two each after their current deals expire?
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agree arnie on all, got you back to no negative lol

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='llwillow1231' timestamp='1362169090' post='1373588']
(dudette) i don't get this but its cool. it shows the bonus as prorated over the life of the contract i wasn't aware that he would get it all at once.
[/quote]s signing bonus is guaranteed, and the second bonus he's giving him would also be guaranteed. That's 45 mil in total. For cap hit purposes signing bonuses are split over a maximum of five years, ie 40 mil leaves a cap hit of 8 each season.

So in year one joe gets 20 mil bonus and the salary, then in year two he got a 25 mil bonus plus the salary. In that scenario in two season he's getting over 50 mil in his pocket but his cap hit for the two seasons combined would be around the mid 20s.

[1/28/01]

The lack of knowledge with NFL salaries and their inner workings by most here is what is making this thread so heated. Wow!

[Guest llwillow1231]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362169276' post='1373592']
s signing bonus is guaranteed, and the second bonus he's giving him would also be guaranteed. That's 45 mil in total. For cap hit purposes signing bonuses are split over a maximum of five years, ie 40 mil leaves a cap hit of 8 each season.

So in year one joe gets 20 mil bonus and the salary, then in year two he got a 25 mil bonus plus the salary. In that scenario in two season he's getting over 50 mil in his pocket but his cap hit for the two seasons combined would be around the mid 20s.
[/quote]ok thanks then lets go with that and lock this thread lol.

[arnie_uk]

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agree arnie on all, got you back to no negative lol
[/quote]im not worried about the neg I just wish he'd respond, maybe he thinks when Suggs and ngata deals are up they will garner big deals again, but I just don't see it, i think they will come very affordable due to age and water and tear. And as of right now we have no real standout young guys that will earn top 5 money at their positions. As I said the most likely candidates are Torrey and KO.

Flacco could be the last Hugeeee deal we have to hand out for a few years. Even take upshaw, he'd be very affordable unless he turns into a solid 8 to 10 sack guy. If he plays elite vs the run and boy gets a handful sacks, and we have a pass rush specialist like Kruger who wasn't an every down player, when both contracts are up the pass rush specialist will get the big money in the open market and we'd sign upshaw for a fair reasonable deal.

Obviously this is getting wayyyyyy ahead but I think it's the kind of things the front office considers when doing big deal. They don't just look at the roster this year and next they look three four five years into the future.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1362169344' post='1373593']
The lack of knowledge with NFL salaries and their inner workings by most here is what is making this thread so heated. Wow!
[/quote]yea, I think a lot of folk assume of flacco averages 20 mil a year his cap hit this year will be 20