Update: Revis Island traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers

[JO_75]

I don't know about you, but any team stupid enough to pay Revis $16 Million a year regardless if they have the cap room would be stupid. Revis is seeking $16 million a year and $60 Million GUARANTEED on his next contract, per the rotoworld report.

[quote]According to ESPN New York, Darrelle Revis is "believed" to be seeking $16 million annually and $60 million guaranteed on his next contract.[/quote]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/254662/report-revis-seeking-$16myear-on-next-deal

Sorry, but we could keep Paul Kruger at less money than that, and the only way I'm handing out $16 million a year and $60 million guaranteed is if I'm paying a Franchise QB.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1359182102' post='1331020']
I don't know about you, but any team stupid enough to pay Revis $16 Million a year regardless if they have the cap room would be stupid. Revis is seeking $16 million a year and $60 Million GUARANTEED on his next contract, per the rotoworld report.



[url="http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/254662/report-revis-seeking-$16myear-on-next-deal"]http://www.rotoworld...ar-on-next-deal[/url]

Sorry, but we could keep Paul Kruger at less money than that, and the only way I'm handing out $16 million a year and $60 million guaranteed is if I'm paying a Franchise QB.
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You sure that isn't just like Flacco saying he wants AT LEAST 20 million. I personally think he's just setting the bar high and wants nnmadi type deal (maybe a bit more but nothin insane like 16 mil).

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359136669' post='1330381']


Again why not? The acl injury? Im sure they wouldnt do it until they see him play next season?

The personality is another matter, but assuming you can get him to sign a long term deal (big assumption) you can add a no hold out clause to make sure you end up okay. A 1st and a 2nd for Revis though is extremely cheap especially if its a late first and late second.

Look I value draft picks as much as the next guy, but Revis is one of those talents that is worth an entire draft to get. Im not saying id give up an entire draft, but theres no prospect at any position in this draft that will likely have the impact Revis can give you.
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So you're telling me you want to invest not a 1st but also a 2nd into a skill position player who (while elite before his injury) is also dependent on a DL to get pressure on the QB? I don't care how good Revis is but if our DL is in as much distress as you suggested in the ILB thread of yours in the 2013 NFL Draft section of this forum, how will Revis help us? You say NT is a big need. Well, if we can't stop the run why would teams throw on our secondary

And then we aren't even guaranteed to get him beyond this one season. This is a dream--a fantasy trade. It won't happen here. Would our secondary be unstoppable? Probably pretty damn good but without a DL it won't matter. It just makes no sense to trade two high draft picks for a player who may not be here long-term.

[1/28/01]

This guys an [profanity deleted] asking for $16M a year with $60M guaranteed when he holds out every other year. Hes a piece of trash!

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359257514' post='1331767']
This guys an [profanity deleted] asking for $16M a year with $60M guaranteed when he holds out every other year. Hes a piece of trash!
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1. Nothing wrong with him setting the bar at 16 mil for several reason. They set the bar higher than they expect to get more money see Flacco and 20 mil minimum. Next, Mario Williams managed to get 16 mil/50 mil guaranteed and Revis is the premier shutdown corner in a league that is slowly evolving into a passing league. Not saying either deserve what they are paid or that we should pay them but setting the bar there if thats what he demands is more than fine all things given.

2. If you hadn't notice, premier players demanding more and more money and more and more guaranteed money is a trend in all sports. Baseball its most prevalent, but in the nfl we have seen Drew Brees, CJ2k, Mario Williams, MJD all do it. We will likely see Rodgers and Flacco both do it. Its the nature of sports.

3. Revis has outplayed his contract and has seen other corners make much more than he has for lesser play. Webb got a 50 mil contact for one good year (not knocking Webb but just using him as an example, don;t get bent out of shape about it and just consider I could have put Nnmadi here instead).

4. Revis has held out one time. Not saying he wouldn't have done it again just that he's only done it once.

5. Revis can be argued as a top 5 nfl defensive talent. Now while you may not believe that he deserves that much money. The market doesn't give a crap about your opinion because Williams set the bar that high. The die is cast in that regard and Revis is justified in shooting for it. This is a job for nfl players and entertainment to us. A championship may be worth a lot to you, but to the players it worthless. To you a player's paycheck is worthless, but to them its the most important part of this business and they should try to maximize it.

Again not advocating for Revis here, but there was just a lot i felt was wrong with that post.

[flaccopoe]

Brilliant Thread title, btw.

[JO_75]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1359267113' post='1331887']
Brilliant Thread title, btw.
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Thank You. I thought that was a very clever name for this thread.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359257514' post='1331767']
This guys an [profanity deleted] asking for $16M a year with $60M guaranteed when he holds out every other year. Hes a piece of trash!
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Blame Rex, he built his ego up way too high. If he can stay healthy for a season still, he's obviously worthy of being the highest paid CB. He shouldn't get top QB money though, he's crazy if he thinks he's getting that (I say knowing some idiot owner probably would pay it and ruin cap numbers for everyone).

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359259726' post='1331792']


1. Nothing wrong with him setting the bar at 16 mil for several reason. They set the bar higher than they expect to get more money see Flacco and 20 mil minimum. Next, Mario Williams managed to get 16 mil/50 mil guaranteed and Revis is the premier shutdown corner in a league that is slowly evolving into a passing league. Not saying either deserve what they are paid or that we should pay them but setting the bar there if thats what he demands is more than fine all things given.

2. If you hadn't notice, premier players demanding more and more money and more and more guaranteed money is a trend in all sports. Baseball its most prevalent, but in the nfl we have seen Drew Brees, CJ2k, Mario Williams, MJD all do it. We will likely see Rodgers and Flacco both do it. Its the nature of sports.

3. Revis has outplayed his contract and has seen other corners make much more than he has for lesser play. Webb got a 50 mil contact for one good year (not knocking Webb but just using him as an example, don;t get bent out of shape about it and just consider I could have put Nnmadi here instead).

4. Revis has held out one time. Not saying he wouldn't have done it again just that he's only done it once.

5. Revis can be argued as a top 5 nfl defensive talent. Now while you may not believe that he deserves that much money. The market doesn't give a crap about your opinion because Williams set the bar that high. The die is cast in that regard and Revis is justified in shooting for it. This is a job for nfl players and entertainment to us. A championship may be worth a lot to you, but to the players it worthless. To you a player's paycheck is worthless, but to them its the most important part of this business and they should try to maximize it.

Again not advocating for Revis here, but there was just a lot i felt was wrong with that post.
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Hes an [profanity deleted]! He held out in 2007 and 2010 and the threat of another holdout is looming. After a torn ACL. Dudes an ego maniac!

Edit - in addition to being wrong about him only holding out once, your post is riddled with inaccuracies or exaggerations. Nothing meant towards you here, but not gonna waste anymore time on a Revis thread.

[Gordo52]

Yeah, just forget whole idea of wanting to sign Revis. There is absolute NO WAY we're signing/trading for him and I'm more then fine about that. Matter fact I'm happy we have smart GM's.

16 mill a year? 60 Mill GUARANTEED? LOL.

I think the Jets [u]have[/u] to trade him. It would actually be a surprisingly smart move by them. Why is he surprised by the trade rumors when he wants that much?

[ghost1986]

I could care less. If Webb can return to his old ways, I'll be happy with that. Revis gets away with a lot of PI and Holding. And Asomugha's been exposed. JJ had a field day on him and we should be 11-5 if it werent for the replacement refs. I still think CB is a position we need to eventually address. Williams is inconsistent, but has been stepping up. He also doesnt want to except what we're offering. And Jimmy shows flashes of talent, but I'm not a big believer. I'd rather we address it through a draft

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359300647' post='1332039']
Hes an [profanity deleted]! He held out in 2007 and 2010 and the threat of another holdout is looming. After a torn ACL. Dudes an ego maniac!

Edit - in addition to being wrong about him only holding out once, your post is riddled with inaccuracies or exaggerations. Nothing meant towards you here, but not gonna waste anymore time on a Revis thread.
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You're seriously counting his rookie season when he didn't have a contract. Really? Because its not like any rookie ever did that before. Oh wait it happens every single year.

His threat of a holdout was bull and everyone knew it because it would activate the holdout clause of his contract locking him in for another 3 years. Thats just his way of saying he wants a new contract and everyone had acknowledged that the last one was a band-aid contract that is about to expire.

Im not saying anything about his ego, but the torn acl argument is crap. He isn't like Webb who has torn at least twice now (not sure if he tore it once in college but 2x since being in the nfl). Like Charles he will basically have the full year to recover from it and there is no cause to think he won't come back and be the shutdown corner he is.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359308115' post='1332146']

You're seriously counting his rookie season when he didn't have a contract. Really? Because its not like any rookie ever did that before. Oh wait it happens every single year.

His threat of a holdout was bull and everyone knew it because it would activate the holdout clause of his contract locking him in for another 3 years. Thats just his way of saying he wants a new contract and everyone had acknowledged that the last one was a band-aid contract that is about to expire.

Im not saying anything about his ego, but the torn acl argument is crap. He isn't like Webb who has torn at least twice now (not sure if he tore it once in college but 2x since being in the nfl). Like Charlesr he will basically have the full year to recover from it and there is no cause to think he won't come back and be the shutdown corner he is.
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Yes, some rookies do it. But how many do it again 3 years later and then have the threat of it happening again 2 years after that? Come on!!!

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359315153' post='1332260']
Yes, some rookies do it. But how many do it again 3 years later and then have the threat of it happening again 2 years after that? Come on!!!
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Any rookie thats drastically outplaying his contract is going to do it. Heck just recently, we heard a report about Russel Wilson wanting to redo his deal (but he can't thanks to the new rookie rules, but if it werent for them I bet a hold out would be coming).

Again when they gave Revis the extension, you knew this was gonna happen. That wasn't a long term deal.

Again not advocating for Revis, but this is actually common and Revis has no reason not to hold out or try to get value = to his play.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359320300' post='1332320']

Any rookie thats drastically outplaying his contract is going to do it. Heck just recently, we heard a report about Russel Wilson wanting to redo his deal (but he can't thanks to the new rookie rules, but if it werent for them I bet a hold out would be coming).

Again when they gave Revis the extension, you knew this was gonna happen. That wasn't a long term deal.

Again not advocating for Revis, but this is actually common and Revis has no reason not to hold out or try to get value = to his play.
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Okay, well, even before the new CBA was in place I cannot think of anyone on Revis' level when it comes to being as disgruntled as he is/was with his contract (each and every one). Just the thought of a even a smidgen of the possibility of a 3rd holdout in 6 years is comical! I don't like his demeanor and sure as hell do not want him in the Ravens locker room. Luckily, Ozzie is too smart to even possibly consider this move.

[JO_75]

I was just reading how the Jets would rather trade Cromartie over Revis but the funny thing is, they will get more picks to help rebuild their team via Revis than Cromartie. I also think if there is one team willing to give up their first round pick and more for Revis, it will be the Detroit Lions. Trade that 5th Pick to the Jets for Revis to solve their corner back issue, which would be way better than selecting DeMarcus Milliner and hoping he pans out when they can get an all pro corner like Revis for that 5th pick.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359321206' post='1332327']
Okay, well, even before the new CBA was in place I cannot think of anyone on Revis' level when it comes to being as disgruntled as he is/was with his contract (each and every one). Just the thought of a even a smidgen of the possibility of a 3rd holdout in 6 years is comical! I don't like his demeanor and sure as hell do not want him in the Ravens locker room. Luckily, Ozzie is too smart to even possibly consider this move.
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Hasn't Jones Drew tried it a few times now?

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1359321528' post='1332328']
I was just reading how the Jets would rather trade Cromartie over Revis but the funny thing is, they will get more picks to help rebuild their team via Revis than Cromartie. I also think if there is one team willing to give up their first round pick and more for Revis, it will be the Detroit Lions. Trade that 5th Pick to the Jets for Revis to solve their corner back issue, which would be way better than selecting DeMarcus Milliner and hoping he pans out when they can get an all pro corner like Revis for that 5th pick.
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You don't think Tampa would? They seem pretty desperate for a corner and will likely trade up to get Millner.

Given their cap and Revis likely getting at least 12 mil a year, I actually would rather go the Millner route but the cap spike may change things and let them pay both Revis and Megatron.

The reason they would rather trade Cromartie over Revis is because Cromartie had a good year, but what we saw from him isnt the norm. Revis on the other hand is a star and you dont get better by getting rid of your stars. The Jets might balance their team and put themselves in position to get better, but they would still need to find a stud to return to Superbowl Contenders.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359321775' post='1332332']
You don't think Tampa would? They seem pretty desperate for a corner and will likely trade up to get Millner.

Given their cap and Revis likely getting at least 12 mil a year, I actually would rather go the Millner route but the cap spike may change things and let them pay both Revis and Megatron.

The reason they would rather trade Cromartie over Revis is because Cromartie had a good year, but what we saw from him isnt the norm. Revis on the other hand is a star and you dont get better by getting rid of your stars. The Jets might balance their team and put themselves in position to get better, but they would still need to find a stud to return to Superbowl Contenders.
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I think Tampa could be an ideal spot too, moreso than the fore mentioned Lions. They had no type of corners last year and were pretty much the worst secondary in football. The Lions are trying to extend Matt Stafford and give him money and also trying to retain Cliff Avril and others. and of coarse they already have Calvin and his 108Million dollars in the books.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359321569' post='1332330']

Hasn't Jones Drew tried it a few times now?
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Nope. With a year left on his rookie contract, they cut Fred Taylor and gave MJD a fatter deal without any sort of holdout. He tried holding out for the first time last year.

I stand firm that Revis is a piece!

[GrimCoconut]

Sounds like Elway wants a piece of Revis Island. Don't have the ability to link anything right now, but I just read that Elway wants to make a trade for Revis. If they did that, they would have a very dominant defense but does anyone else see the Philadelphia Eagles in the Denver Broncos? Lol.

Revis' best bet are the Lions. The team fits his personality. Schwartz would welcome a player like Revis. The Lions also have a very high pick. The question is whether the Lions would actually trade the pick, though.

[AsianRice]

Revis is out of his mind?.....a holdout champ.....He should get the medal of holdout...

What's sup with honoring your contract? who cares about you play out your contract or not cuz both parties have a deal, handwritten and signed with oath...\

I hate greedy people who don't know how to invest their money...

With his personality alone, he isn't worth a dime in my mind.....

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1359396166' post='1333254']
Sounds like Elway wants a piece of Revis Island. Don't have the ability to link anything right now, but I just read that Elway wants to make a trade for Revis. If they did that, they would have a very dominant defense but does anyone else see the Philadelphia Eagles in the Denver Broncos? Lol.
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[size=4]If Elway gets Revis it'll wind up costing him his job. You can't sign Clady and Revis, and with Peyton Manning you need Clady way more than a corner.[/size]

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1359396166' post='1333254']
Sounds like Elway wants a piece of Revis Island. Don't have the ability to link anything right now, but I just read that Elway wants to make a trade for Revis. If they did that, they would have a very dominant defense but does anyone else see the Philadelphia Eagles in the Denver Broncos? Lol.

Revis' best bet are the Lions. The team fits his personality. Schwartz would welcome a player like Revis. The Lions also have a very high pick. The question is whether the Lions would actually trade the pick, though.
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I think the Bucs are a better bet for Revis in all honesty. Im not sure the Lions could afford him with all the holes they have to fill and Megatron's contract.

[JO_75]

It was the 49ers vs the Falcons in the NFC Championship game, and now be ready for round two that will happen in the Revis Island Sweepstakes. One of these two teams want Revis Island to relocate to either San Fran or Atlanta.

[quote][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Verdana][size=3][background=transparent]Sources tell the Daily News that the 49ers and Falcons are both interested in trading for Darrelle Revis.[/background][/size][/font][/color][/quote]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/256931/report-49ers-falcons-want-to-deal-for-revis

[AsianRice]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1362588457' post='1379619']
It was the 49ers vs the Falcons in the NFC Championship game, and now be ready for round two that will happen in the Revis Island Sweepstakes. One of these two teams want Revis Island to relocate to either San Fran or Atlanta.



[url="http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/256931/report-49ers-falcons-want-to-deal-for-revis"]http://www.rotoworld...-deal-for-revis[/url]
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I don't know how the Falcons afford Revis when they are about to give multi million dollar contract to Choker Ryan....

[jaege]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358998787' post='1328497']
Let me bring this up for a minuet.

The cap space we save with Ray Lewis, plus the deal we are going to sign Joe to means we might potentially have the ability to restructure the contracts to get a player of his caliber.

The following players will most likely retire at the end of the year
Ray Lewis
Ed Reed
Matt Birk
Bobbie Williams
Kemo

Two of these are FAs. The others we save enough cap space for. Now if we can restructure the following players

Oher
Suggs
Boldin
Leach
Mckinnie
Pitta
And Jacoby

Will we have enough room for the FO to go get him in the near future? The answer is most likely, yes.

This is easier said then done, but getting Suggs Boldin Leach and Mckinnie structured will be a high priority to begin with.

Think of it this way, while we are not LIKELY to get a player of Revis's caliber via the draft, if we do, we will far and away have the best secondary in the NFL.

Revis is one of three players in the draft I would trade my first to get.

Revis, if Oz decides to make the moves to go pounce on him, might be the revitalization our D needs.
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The Ravens rarely restructure and you are suggesting they restructure everyone. It wont happen. Besides there are a lot of other teams that could and would easily outbid us for him. Pipedream.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1362588457' post='1379619']
It was the 49ers vs the Falcons in the NFC Championship game, and now be ready for round two that will happen in the Revis Island Sweepstakes. One of these two teams want Revis Island to relocate to either San Fran or Atlanta.



http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/256931/report-49ers-falcons-want-to-deal-for-revis
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If I had to pick any team that would make this trade, I would look at several factors:
1.) Division/Conference status (Jets probably wouldn't trade to Miami, for instance)
2.) Money (money available for team to sign him to a long-term deal.
3.) Draft picks
4.) CB need

Taking all this into account, it eliminated many teams from contention. But there is one team in the entire NFL bold enough to make this trade with the ammo & cap to see through. It's not the 49ers, who are in the NFC with a load of picks but not really the cap space necessary to see it through.

It's not the Falcons, who need a CB but have Ryan coming due as well as eventually Julio, and there future cap space may require them to be frugal over desperate.

It's the Bengals. Yes, the Bengals. The Bengals don't NEED a CB, but it wouldn't hurt them to acquire one of Revis' calibre. Honestly, they are my #1 pick to do the deal. They have two high picks (1st and a high 2nd) as well as another 2nd round pick in addition to many other picks (8 total).

They also have CB depth, so they could do a package like this:

Bengals Get:
Darrelle Revis CB

Jets Get:
Leon Hall CB
2013 1st Round Pick (or even 2nd round pick from Oakland)

The Jets get a good CB in either scenario as well as a high draft pick. The Bengals get a high-quality CB coming off an injury but who will most likely rebound & have the money to sign him long-term.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1362599695' post='1379789']
If I had to pick any team that would make this trade, I would look at several factors:
1.) Division/Conference status (Jets probably wouldn't trade to Miami, for instance)
2.) Money (money available for team to sign him to a long-term deal.
3.) Draft picks
4.) CB need

Taking all this into account, it eliminated many teams from contention. But there is one team in the entire NFL bold enough to make this trade with the ammo & cap to see through. It's not the 49ers, who are in the NFC with a load of picks but not really the cap space necessary to see it through.

It's not the Falcons, who need a CB but have Ryan coming due as well as eventually Julio, and there future cap space may require them to be frugal over desperate.

It's the Bengals. Yes, the Bengals. The Bengals don't NEED a CB, but it wouldn't hurt them to acquire one of Revis' calibre. Honestly, they are my #1 pick to do the deal. They have two high picks (1st and a high 2nd) as well as another 2nd round pick in addition to many other picks (8 total).

They also have CB depth, so they could do a package like this:

Bengals Get:
Darrelle Revis CB

Jets Get:
Leon Hall CB
2013 1st Round Pick (or even 2nd round pick from Oakland)

The Jets get a good CB in either scenario as well as a high draft pick. The Bengals get a high-quality CB coming off an injury but who will most likely rebound & have the money to sign him long-term.
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I said this how long ago...in this thread even.

Anyway its not even feasible. AJ Green and Dalton have to be paid im figuring it will cost around 30 mil in cap between them. In addition to paying Atkins, Michael Johnson etc..., Cincy will likely role with Leon and Dre Kirkpatrick.

Don't get me wrong, its still the best option for the Jets, but even tho the Bengals have an obscene amount of cap this year, they are forced to spend it this year meaning all of their extensions will come first. I suppose they could front load a lot of money into the next year and the third year giving them the ability to sign Revis, but to prevent it from screwing them long term a lot would have to be accounted for. I'll think about it tonight and let you know if Revis at 16 mil is feasible with the Bengals cap, but I doubt it (Smith, Atkins, Johnson, Greene, Dalton, Maulauga are all free agents and all need to be resigned in addition to finding another guy to pair with Greene).

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1362638040' post='1380370']

I said this how long ago...in this thread even.

Anyway its not even feasible. AJ Green and Dalton have to be paid im figuring it will cost around 30 mil in cap between them. In addition to paying Atkins, Michael Johnson etc..., Cincy will likely role with Leon and Dre Kirkpatrick.

Don't get me wrong, its still the best option for the Jets, but even tho the Bengals have an obscene amount of cap this year, they are forced to spend it this year meaning all of their extensions will come first. I suppose they could front load a lot of money into the next year and the third year giving them the ability to sign Revis, but to prevent it from screwing them long term a lot would have to be accounted for. I'll think about it tonight and let you know if Revis at 16 mil is feasible with the Bengals cap, but I doubt it (Smith, Atkins, Johnson, Greene, Dalton, Maulauga are all free agents and all need to be resigned in addition to finding another guy to pair with Greene).
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I will be honest: I either forgot about it or simply didn't read it. But I agree with you if you think he will be a Bengal. It makes too much sense to me. I think it's a perfect fit. The Bengals could probably trade Hall & a 3rd for Revis.