Update: Revis Island traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359044541' post='1328943']
No but seriously here is why I think we should go after Revis and how we can mitigate his cost.

1. Revis will come cheap - If he costs us our 1st and 2nd. I would gladly do this. Revis is a special player

2. Woody Johnson is desperate. He knows he can't pay Revis and he knows he has to get rid of him now. Just another reason he will shop him cheap.

3. Revis's acl tear gives us contract talk leverage. Instead of 16 mil a year like Woody believes he wants, we may get him for possibly 12 mil long term (pricey for a CB still, but again its Revis and with the salary cap spike we will be okay if we structure the contract correctly).

4. Salary Cap spike in 2014

5. While Revis is a hot commodity, very few teams with the ability pay him will trade for him because Woody has basically thrown the white flag in resigning him. They'd rather sign him in FA in 2014.

6. Given Baltimore's defensive pedigree, Revis may be more inclined to taking a slightly lower offer to play on a highly competitive team (altho given his holdout, with the Jets take it for what its worth.)
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Revis can replace #5 too...

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1359055544' post='1329256']
Revis can replace #5 too...
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You realize that Revis has 6 mil due next year and we clear roughly 30 mil in cap before signing Flacco. With good cap management and the spike due in 2014 its very workable and you cant tell me that you wouldnt rather have revis over kruger ellerbe etc....

[Cville-Raven]

If I was Detroit I would try my hardest to get him.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1359057632' post='1329324']
If I was Detroit I would try my hardest to get him.
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Just watching Revis vs Johnson in practice every day would be worth it.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1359059101' post='1329368']
Just watching Revis vs Johnson in practice every day would be worth it.
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Its like watching Superman vs Goku all over again

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359055984' post='1329272']

You realize that Revis has 6 mil due next year and we clear roughly 30 mil in cap before signing Flacco. With good cap management and the spike due in 2014 its very workable and you cant tell me that you wouldnt rather have revis over kruger ellerbe etc....
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Yes, before Flacco and I think 12 other players. No way we have the space for Revis.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359063778' post='1329491']
Yes, before Flacco and I think 12 other players. No way we have the space for Revis.
[/quote] Who cares about Flacco? We're talking a money-grubbing cornerback here! Who might bounce around again next year!

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359063778' post='1329491']
Yes, before Flacco and I think 12 other players. No way we have the space for Revis.
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Other than Flacco, which one of those 12 players would you have over Revis. I think the only one you can make an argument for is Ed Reed, but just looking at some of the others

Ellerbe - is hardly gonna break the bank to sign him

Kruger - will in all liklihood be overpaid by someone else

Mckinnie - see Kruger

Most of these guys arent coming back and not because its a cap issue, its because they will likely be overpaid elsewhere.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1359064638' post='1329506']
Who cares about Flacco? We're talking a money-grubbing cornerback here! Who might bounce around again next year!
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most valid point against getting Revis, but contract language is good for stopping this. Just use the anti-holdout clause the Jets used to prevent Revis from holding out on his current contract. I agree there tho, you dont go after him without some kind of assurance he'll accept a long term deal here (and that is most likely why most teams with cap are waiting for him to hit FA. One of the smartest things the nba has ever done was the sign and trade contract idea. We really should have this in the nfl.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359044541' post='1328943']
No but seriously here is why I think we should go after Revis and how we can mitigate his cost.

1. Revis will come cheap - If he costs us our 1st and 2nd. I would gladly do this. Revis is a special player
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Even if all your other points fall through, you might be willing to give up a 1st & 2nd, but that's not Oz.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1359071284' post='1329618']
Even if all your other points fall through, you might be willing to give up a 1st & 2nd, but that's not Oz.
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Probably not, but you have to admit given the talent that Revis is, a 1st and a 2nd would be extremely cheap especially given they are pick 32 in each round.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359068169' post='1329576']

Other than Flacco, which one of those 12 players would you have over Revis. I think the only one you can make an argument for is Ed Reed, but just looking at some of the others

Ellerbe - is hardly gonna break the bank to sign him

Kruger - will in all liklihood be overpaid by someone else

Mckinnie - see Kruger

Most of these guys arent coming back and not because its a cap issue, its because they will likely be overpaid elsewhere.
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It would damn near handicap us from fielding 53. We only have something like 41 under contract for next year and will have very little money to sign the remaining players to fill our roster as it is.

Hell no to Revis!

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359044541' post='1328943']
1. Revis will come cheap - If he costs us our 1st and 2nd. I would gladly do this. Revis is a special player
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Wouldn't do it. He's not worth that imo. We got to many other places of need.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1359088142' post='1329895']
Wouldn't do it. He's not worth that imo. We got to many other places of need.
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How is the the undisputed best corner in the game not worth a 1st and second especially when its the 32nd and 64th pick. Thats insanity imho. We have other positions of need thats true, but the liklihood that any draft pick we take in those 2 rounds ending up as a revis level talent is crazy. Not to mention the fact that we have a lot of picks in this upcoming draft to use and manipulate.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1359086696' post='1329868']
It would damn near handicap us from fielding 53. We only have something like 41 under contract for next year and will have very little money to sign the remaining players to fill our roster as it is.

Hell no to Revis!
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You're forgetting that we also have like 11 draft picks. If it costs us two to get Revis then we are at 51 by the end of the draft and will have more than enough to fill the remaining. Also Revis' contract next year would handicap us no more than resigning Kruger or even possibly Ellerbe would as he is only making 6 million. To give you, some perspective Boldin who has been valuable to us but is nowhere near the receiver level that Revis is at corner, is making 7.5 mil.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359090044' post='1329915']
How is the the undisputed best corner in the game not worth a 1st and second especially when its the 32nd and 64th pick. Thats insanity imho. We have other positions of need thats true, but the liklihood that any draft pick we take in those 2 rounds ending up as a revis level talent is crazy. Not to mention the fact that we have a lot of picks in this upcoming draft to use and manipulate.
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Not sure if he's the undisputed best CB anymore. He's coming off a serious injury, he'll be 28 next year, and he'll want to have top CB money, top 3 defensive player money. It would really hurt us. Every year we have to let go of some really good players because we simply don't have the money to afford them. It's the only curse of drafting so good. There's a big reason why we don't go after big named free agents. We would be STACKED at CB. But have many more holes in alot of other positions. We already have Webb(uncertainty with him as well) who is getting paid alot. We have younger guys at CB who should only get better with time.

Bottom line is, I rather keep those two picks, and be able to resign some of our own guys before trading for a high priced drama CB. (We would have the best secondary though without question!) And if we could, I would love too!

[T3hRaven]

Ultimately, I think Revis wants a Peyton Manning type contract at a non-Peyton Manning position, which simply isn't going to happen. He costs too much and Ozzie isn't going to trade for him. Don't get your hopes up.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359090203' post='1329916']

You're forgetting that we also have like 11 draft picks. If it costs us two to get Revis then we are at 51 by the end of the draft and will have more than enough to fill the remaining. Also Revis' contract next year would handicap us no more than resigning Kruger or even possibly Ellerbe would as he is only making 6 million. To give you, some perspective Boldin who has been valuable to us but is nowhere near the receiver level that Revis is at corner, is making 7.5 mil.
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Sorry, but there is so much wrong with this post and this way of thinking.

Either way, not gonna happen!

[JO_75]

A Holdout is out of the question for Revis as if he attempted to holdout at any point, the final three years do not void meaning he would lock himself in NY through 2016 at $3 Million per year.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/25/holdout-definitely-isnt-an-option-for-revis/

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1359090869' post='1329920']
[b]Not sure if he's the undisputed best CB anymore. He's coming off a serious injury, he'll be 28 next year, and he'll want to have top CB money, top 3 defensive player money.[/b] It would really hurt us. Every year we have to let go of some really good players because we simply don't have the money to afford them. It's the only curse of drafting so good. There's a big reason why we don't go after big named free agents. We would be STACKED at CB. But have many more holes in alot of other positions. We already have Webb(uncertainty with him as well) who is getting paid alot. We have younger guys at CB who should only get better with time.

Bottom line is, I rather keep those two picks, and be able to resign some of our own guys before trading for a high priced drama CB. (We would have the best secondary though without question!) And if we could, I would love too!
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Kinda feel like Ngata, in terms of wanting a lot of money, fits this description too and we paid him. Just sayin. I mean the way I look we are going to lose players anyway since teams are going to pay them more than they are worth. Mckinnie and Kruger being my primary examples. I wont say Reed gets overpaid because there is a chance he could be one of the best DB's of all time and still is imo the best in the league right now. What Revis does for the Jet is what Reed does for us. He takes away and aspect of the oppns offese.

But I'm get off tangent with Reed. Back to the point. The only real problem we'd have is getting Revis to lock in long term. I dont see the cap being an issue if he wanted 12 mil a year even. Ozzie knew the cap spike was coming and his contract structures have been made in accordance with this. If you really want me to work out the numbers I will do it, and I will err on the side of caution giving Flacco a lot of money just to show you that its very doable, but Id rather you take my word for it.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1359131438' post='1330258']
A Holdout is out of the question for Revis as if he attempted to holdout at any point, the final three years do not void meaning he would lock himself in NY through 2016 at $3 Million per year.

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/25/holdout-definitely-isnt-an-option-for-revis/"]http://profootballta...tion-for-revis/[/url]
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Not after next year. He can't hold out on the final year, but I believe he also cant be franchised which complicates things.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1359131438' post='1330258']
A Holdout is out of the question for Revis as if he attempted to holdout at any point, the final three years do not void meaning he would lock himself in NY through 2016 at $3 Million per year.

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/25/holdout-definitely-isnt-an-option-for-revis/"]http://profootballta...tion-for-revis/[/url]
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If he did it would just become one massive mess.

The Jets are a complete joke and Revis has been at odds with just about everyone with some power in the Jets organisation. I can see a couple of teams MAYBE offering a 2nd or 3rd round pick to effectively get dibs on him. If a team like Jacksonville or Oakland were to do it, I doubt he'd sign anything they offered him, unless it was 15+ Million a year.

[Pathogen-]

i don't see us getting revis, too expensive. Ravens usually go for lesser known names that can sizzle in our system

[Sizzlebshu]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000130789/article/darrelle-revis-freeagency-trade-talk-heating-up"]http://www.nfl.com/n...talk-heating-up[/url]

I told you a first and second rounder would be too cheap for Revis. Packers, Broncos, NE etc.... are all interested in that kind of deal. Again, this is something that could benefit us greatly if the deal is right, but given the insane interest doesnt look like thats gonna happen.

[Gordo52]

Lol
[quote][url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade"]There's a Revis gold rush forming[/url].[/quote]

Of course! He's one of the best defensive players in the league! Everybody would like to have him. But no smart, good franchise will give up their 1st and 2nd for Revis, it will bite them in the butt.

We don't operate like that, every year Ozzie proves that.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1359136024' post='1330367']
Lol


Of course! He's one of the best defensive players in the league! Everybody would like to have him. B[b]ut no smart, good franchise will give up their 1st and 2nd for Revis, it will bite them in the butt.[/b]

We don't operate like that, every year Ozzie proves that.
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Again why not? The acl injury? Im sure they wouldnt do it until they see him play next season?

The personality is another matter, but assuming you can get him to sign a long term deal (big assumption) you can add a no hold out clause to make sure you end up okay. A 1st and a 2nd for Revis though is extremely cheap especially if its a late first and late second.

Look I value draft picks as much as the next guy, but Revis is one of those talents that is worth an entire draft to get. Im not saying id give up an entire draft, but theres no prospect at any position in this draft that will likely have the impact Revis can give you.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359136669' post='1330381']
Again why not? The acl injury? Im sure they wouldnt do it until they see him play next season?

The personality is another matter, but assuming you can get him to sign a long term deal (big assumption) you can add a no hold out clause to make sure you end up okay. A 1st and a 2nd for Revis though is extremely cheap especially if its a late first and late second.

Look I value draft picks as much as the next guy, [b]but Revis is one of those talents that is worth an entire draft to get.[/b] Im not saying id give up an entire draft, but theres no prospect at any position in this draft that will likely have the impact Revis can give you.
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Jets are trying to do it now, if they trade him it will be before the season starts. if the team they trade him to can 100% sign him to a new deal, then I still think it's to much for him, but is justified. He's going to demand a ridiculous amount of money. Something alot of teams, including us, (and the Jets) totally can't afford. And with the way we draft players a 1st & 2nd is like trading 2 starters for him. It's really just no good.

And I don't agree with the Bolded part.

[AsianRice]

Revis not gonna happen....Ravens will stick to what they have been doing successful since the start of the organization, building through the draft.

Didn't he get butt whooped by Welker?

The dude is greedy like hell...definitely not gonna fit to our locker...

PS: He is not that good like everyone said he is.....and he is the champ of holding someone's Jersey and the ref didnt call for that....

[redrum52]

The teams they say have the highest interest are NE, Broncos, Packers, Bills, Seahawks and , Niners. I doubt the Jets do anything to help solidify a Patriots pass defense unless they have no faith in Revis' recovery. The thing about these reports is you can never know who's really serious til the opportunity is closing. No one thought the Eagles as would get Nnamdi. People have said the Browns and Bengals are spots caue of their cap. If he went to either that would be a major upgrade to already somewhat strong defenses. Revis and Haden would probably make the best cb tandem in the league. If he how made it to Seattle I pray for the league.

[bauer77]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1359136669' post='1330381']
Again why not? The acl injury? Im sure they wouldnt do it until they see him play next season?

The personality is another matter, but assuming you can get him to sign a long term deal (big assumption) you can add a no hold out clause to make sure you end up okay. A 1st and a 2nd for Revis though is extremely cheap especially if its a late first and late second.

Look I value draft picks as much as the next guy, [b]but Revis is one of those talents that is worth an entire draft to get[/b]. Im not saying id give up an entire draft, but theres no prospect at any position in this draft that will likely have the impact Revis can give you.
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LOL! Oh goodness.