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Cam Cameron rooting for his team

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football is a business........ nothing personal..... im sure harbaugh and him will remain friends ... it was just something the business side needed to do... good to hear it from him :229031_cheer:
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I guess you know coming into a job like this that your time is always short-lived. But it has to be a lot harder than people think to be fired as a football coach.

When you're with a team, you make a life there. You put all your time and effort into bettering a team - and what do you get out of it? A bitter, short career with a city that despises you.

Your life's work is in football. It's what you're good at. It's where your passion is. And then you're thrown out of it. There's no "other company" with an equal job waiting to hire you. If you're fired, you take a step back. Or you might not ever be back.
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If reading that article doesnt raise your respect for Cam Cameron, you have issues.
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[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1358995440' post='1328416']
If reading that article doesnt raise your respect for Cam Cameron, you have issues.
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I agree . I wanted him gone but my respect for him as a person went up a bunch after
reading the story .
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Definitely like him more after reading that. Hopefully he gets a ring if/when we win.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1358995884' post='1328426']
Definitely like him more after reading that. Hopefully he gets a ring if/when we win.
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That's interesting . Would he get a ring if we win ? He was part of the team for most of the year.
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This is probably the penultimate neccessary evil.

I have never celebrated the fact that Cam got fired, and I am glad that he, Lee Evans, and Billy Cundiff are all relatively at peace with where they are now.

Just like anything with a team he never deserved all the blame, or all the credit. It's also amazing that some of his stubborness that fans despised so much actually has helped us in the long haul.

I will admit that for awhile I had strong doubts about the air coryell, and that has something to do with how the league has trended to possession passing.

But let's make no mistake or two bones about it; this years play-offs have shown that the deep strike ability is strangely unique to us and hard to defend when it's on point. We drafted Flacco with the idea that he was the perfect air coryell passer, and to see that come to fruition is simply incredible.

No the issue with Cam was the year in Miami hurt his credibility, and some of the play calling was simply inappropriate. It was never so much the run/pass ratio per se but more to do with we seemed to run/pass at the wrong time. Even recently against the Pats though we had a series of 3 and outs late in the 4th with a 14 point lead that should have seen three hand-offs to the running back. Instead we stayed "agressive" and that resulted in a quicker than necessary 3 and out.

I guess time will tell if Cam was the true reason behind our inconsistency...
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No surprise. These are still his guys. This is still his installed offense (for the most part). He's got connections with our players that goes beyond the job.

Plus if we win a Super Bowl he can show how he helped develop Joe and installed a winning offense. He just doesn't know how to execute it.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358996653' post='1328450']
No surprise. These are still his guys. This is still his installed offense (for the most part). He's got connections with our players that goes beyond the job.

Plus if we win a Super Bowl he can show how he helped develop Joe and installed a winning offense. [b]He just doesn't know how to execute it.[/b]
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That was always the issue....
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I have never disliked Cam Cameron the person and I have respect for him as a human being, but I have never liked him as an OC. While I think it is wonderful that he is at peace with what happened and is enjoying his time away from the game, he still doesn't take any responsibility for what many of us have been saying for years about his playcalling and what we (and others who are closer to the team including players and reporters) have called "control" issues.

Instead, it was his firing that shook things up and had everyone else take a look in the mirror at themselves and, I guess by extension, that is why they are playing so much better on offense. Has nothing to do with conservative playcalling, incredibly predictable play selection or the inability to remember for entire games that you want to hand Ray Rice the ball sometimes.

I wish him well wherever he goes, as long as its not back in Purple and Black.

I did find it interesting listening to some of the Baltimore writers who have been on ESPN radio all this week kind of giving an inside view of what they saw leading up to the transition from Cameron to Caldwell. I had no idea that part of the reason for his dismissal was due, in their opinion, to Cameron once again moving to have Caldwell removed as QB coach; as he had done to Zorn.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Wow... He seems so totally at peace with it, very remarkable; very commendable. I really do wish him the best next season.[/i][/font]
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Hopefully Cam lands somewhere he can fit in and be successful. I kinda hope we give him a ring if we win it all though, because he did help us win 9 games and he helped develop Flacco into the monster he has become
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I have never questioned Cam about behavior and personality level cuz I know he is very nice and good person, but such quality don't go hand in hand in business. I question about his ability on the field but off the field, the guy is a class like the Ravens.

Glad he is ok on mental part...wish you the best Cam...but sorry you don't fit to our offensive system.....
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1358995884' post='1328426']
Definitely like him more after reading that. Hopefully he gets a ring if/when we win.
[/quote] Knowing the classy organization the Ravens are, I will be shocked if he is not fitted for a SB ring if we do win it all! After all he was just one game short of us making the playoffs when he was fired!
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I would encourage him to take an extended vacation! Some people just aren't cut out for certain lines of work. He's a millionaire, so he can just continue focusing on his family life.
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1358994072' post='1328391']
According to this NY Times article , he is happy for the team .

[url="http://nyti.ms/WVLYug"]http://nyti.ms/WVLYug[/url]
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He's happy and should be pretty downright embarrassed, too.
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I always thought Cam Cameron came across well in his interviews and press conferences. For that reason I really wanted him to succeed. Unfortunately things just were not working out with him as offensive co-ordinator and a change had to be made. That's life, that's football.

It's nice to read that Cam doesn't bear any grudge about what happened. When we beat the 49ers I hope he will be given a Superbowl ring. He has been a part of the Ravens 2012/13 season and therefore deserves one.
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Its interesting to see that so many fans here had a personal relationship with the man. At least that is the conclusion someone would come to with all the "I have great respect for him as a person". I didn't know him personally and as such have no personal stake in his life, either good or bad. I certainly do not wish him any ill tidings, but I am not going to throw him a parade either.

I did see his professional work, and he "seemed" to be stubborn, arrogant and a bit egotistical. It was those qualities that were holding the team back, or so I believe Obviously the FO and coaching staff must have believed something similar as the man was released mid-season. A move that drastic leads me to believe the issues were fairly bad. Based upon that alone, I do not think we need "time to tell" us whether it was a good move or bad.

[size=4]To be completely honest, I do think he assisted the team and Joe to reach the the status both are at presently. I just think that his [/size]usefulness[size=4] ended several years ago, and he was only still here due to misplaced loyalty.[/size]

[size=4]I am still happy and [/size]celebrate[size=4] that he is gone.[/size]
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1359023969' post='1328704']
Its interesting to see that so many fans here had a personal relationship with the man. At least that is the conclusion someone would come to with all the "I have great respect for him as a person". I didn't know him personally and as such have no personal stake in his life, either good or bad. I certainly do not wish him any ill tidings, but I am not going to throw him a parade either.

I did see his professional work, and he "seemed" to be stubborn, arrogant and a bit egotistical. It was those qualities that were holding the team back, or so I believe Obviously the FO and coaching staff must have believed something similar as the man was released mid-season. A move that drastic leads me to believe the issues were fairly bad. Based upon that alone, I do not think we need "time to tell" us whether it was a good move or bad.

[size=4]To be completely honest, I do think he assisted the team and Joe to reach the the status both are at presently. I just think that his [/size]usefulness[size=4] ended several years ago, and he was only still here due to misplaced loyalty.[/size]

[size=4]I am still happy and [/size]celebrate[size=4] that he is gone.[/size]
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Imagine how many championships we could have possibly won over the years if only he knew how to call an offense to fit the strength of the players....
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I was neither a Cam apologist nor detractor; just a guy sitting on his couch wanting his team to win. His dismissal crystalizes a cold, hard truth; the NFL is about winning.

As Ravens fans, we ought to acknowledge that Cam bought a style of play that garnered much success along with a dollop of controversy. And like all of us, he just wanted to win. Was he always successful? Of course not, who amongst us is? Did he ruffle a few feathers in the process? Perhaps but I'm sure he left here with the respect and admiration of more than a few players.

[b]When [/b]we hoist the Lombardi in victory I've got no problem with him celebrating along with us; he was, after all, part of the Ravens family.
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Cam is more then likely going to get a ring if the team wins anyways. Besides, I'm sure Cam isn't exactly hurting for money either. I couldn't stand his outdated and ill timed play calling, but that was criticism of his role as OC not him as a human being. I wish him the best in what he does going forward.
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For him to say it was a brilliant move to fire him, thats more than classy.

Im still 100% glad he's gone, but I wish him the best of success with another team.
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1359023969' post='1328704']
Its interesting to see that so many fans here had a personal relationship with the man. At least that is the conclusion someone would come to with all the "I have great respect for him as a person". I didn't know him personally and as such have no personal stake in his life, either good or bad. I certainly do not wish him any ill tidings, but I am not going to throw him a parade either.

[u][i][b]I did see his professional work, and he "seemed" to be stubborn, arrogant and a bit egotistical. It was those qualities that were holding the team back, or so I believe Obviously the FO and coaching staff must have believed something similar as the man was released mid-season.[/b][/i][/u] A move that drastic leads me to believe the issues were fairly bad. Based upon that alone, I do not think we need "time to tell" us whether it was a good move or bad.

[size=4]To be completely honest, I do think he assisted the team and Joe to reach the the status both are at presently. I just think that his [/size]usefulness[size=4] ended several years ago, and he was only still here due to misplaced loyalty.[/size]

[u][i][b][size=4]I am still happy and [/size]celebrate[size=4] that he is gone.[/size][/b][/i][/u]
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i feel the same way man! i read Cam's statement. cool! but what do you really expect him to say after the offense has opened up a can of whoop [profanity deleted] on defenses and the Ravens have reached the Superbowl upon his dismissal? c'mon! smh! keep cheering the Ravens on though Cam. i believe that he'll get a ring if the Ravens win because he was the O.C. nearly the entire season. he at least deserves that imo.

~Mili
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Wasn't a Cam apologist, but wasn't a hater either. His biggest problem was adjusting. And the fact we didn't have the players to fit his system. Glad he's doing well and I'm happy for him. He should definitely get a ring when we win. As it was stated he was apart of this for 4 1/2 years and did do a lot of good, too.
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[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1359015916' post='1328672']
He's happy and should be pretty downright embarrassed, too.
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Have you ever contributed something positive or at least sensible? Holy crap!
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I don't think whether or not he gets a ring is even a question. Biscotti is too classy of a human being and owner not to have one fitted for him.
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[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1359098359' post='1330011']
Wasn't a Cam apologist, but wasn't a hater either. His biggest problem was adjusting. [b]And the fact we didn't have the players to fit his system.[/b] Glad he's doing well and I'm happy for him. He should definitely get a ring when we win. As it was stated he was apart of this for 4 1/2 years and did do a lot of good, too.
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Evidently we do have the players to fit Cam Cameron's system. This is still Cam Cameron's offense we are running now. The only things that have significantly changed since Jim Caldwell took the reigns are the aggressiveness of the play calling and the ability to alter the strategy within a game(Caldwell seems to be more flexible than Cam Cameron in that regard).
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