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Analysis of the 49ers defense

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Many of us know, Kap and Gore are not much of a problem. But I have heard many call this D the best since OUR Baltimore D in 2000. So naturally I got to the bottom of it.

DLine

Justin Smith- All pro. Great player, but like Ray, he tore his Triceps and is not the same player.
Sopoaga- Probably the most underrated DT in the NFL. Good solid NT, but not nearly the player Wilfork was
They have Ian Williams who is also solid.

So is this better than the Adams Goose thing going on? HELL NO! In fact, that DLine is only mediocre.


Where that D excels is the LB corps

That entire corps is basically the all pro team.
Willis is the undisputed best in the game. I have even heard some call him better than Ray was in his prime (not a chance in hell), but he is the best.

Bowman is the best coverage LB in the NFL. Great coverage guy.

Brooks is a great run defender

Smith is a beast.

However, they are reliant on Willis to do most of the work vs the run. Pierce and Rice are hard to contain. We might have a chance of being successful vs them

Where the Defense is overrated is the secondary

Desean is a great Saftey, but seriously? The rest of that secondary isnt that great

Rodgers benefits from a great pass rush.
The Other DBs have gotten beat by the Seahawks and Pats WR. You can pass vs them

With that said, it isn't easy with the pressure the LBs put on the QB.

The key to this game will be the oline. If they can protect Joe, that D will be ripped to shreds. This is a big if however, as handling Smith, Willis, Brooks, and Aldon is no easy task. I will put it into presepective

Justin isn't getting past Mckinnie at his current condition.
Osemele has a huge task helping vs Brooks/Willis. This is where the game will be won/lost, containing these two is a huge task
Birk should take out Sopoaga.
Yanda vs anyone is Yanda
And Oher who contained Von Miller, should do good vs Aldon.

IF, the line can protect Joe, I will say it, I don't think the game will be close. We have too many weapons for them to handle. Their DBs have been embarrassed the last two weeks. That is where they will lose the game.
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They've had difficulty with Wilson and Ryan. They made Turner look 5 years younger. Overall, I think the chinnks in their armor have been exposed this postseason. Flacco should be able to slowly but surely tear apart SF's pass defense with a combination of short-yardage dumpoffs and bombs on the perimeter, interspersed with some rushes for relief.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1358754099' post='1323596']
Gore not much of a problem? Ha


2 problems...49ers run game, 49ers run d. Its going to very tough
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Ray and Ellerbe won't allow that to happen.

That Run D though..... Lots of hell could come
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I think Oher will be the X-factor in defending the pass rush. Here's hoping he's ready for the beasts in SF's front.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1358754279' post='1323603']
I think Oher will be the X-factor in defending the pass rush. Here's hoping he's ready for the beasts in SF's front.
[/quote]He contains the greater threat in Miller
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358754276' post='1323602']

Ray and Ellerbe won't allow that to happen.

That Run D though..... Lots of hell could come
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I sure hope so. But 49ers running game is no joke. Ours is still suspect even though we've been improving alot the last few games. But we didn't face a run game like theirs since then.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358754611' post='1323609']
He contains the greater threat in Miller
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Yeah, a lot's riding on Oher's play. Luckily, he's been doing pretty good at RT.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1358754621' post='1323610']

I sure hope so. But 49ers running game is no joke. Ours is still suspect even though we've been improving alot the last few games. But we didn't face a run game like theirs since then.
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Ray Lewis = most intellegent football player in NFL history on D.
He will contain Gore if it kills him. Plus Suggs is here too.
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Their secondary is very suspect.

If we're going to win this game, it's going to be through Flacco's arm. Matt Ryan was having a field day in the first half against the 49ers.

49ers are built to stop the run, so I think we're going to have to establish the pass first to make Rice and Pierce punch through their line.
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[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1358755280' post='1323634']
To ur op post Irrevelant

This D doesn't beat our 2006 D.. Don't go back to 2000
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Living in SF. We get so much hype in the Irrelevant household. This Defense isnt allowed in the same sentence with the 2000 one
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Their D is gonna be tough but their running game is going to be just as tough. Not only do they have ridiculous power schemes, frank gore is an extremely hard runner and now they have their change of pace back in lamichael james (who i thought was going to serve that role throughout the whole season when they drafted him in round 2). The key will be stopping their run game
(and containing kaepernick off of the zone read) and then eliminating the freak of nature vernon davis out of the passing game.

Back to their D, their front 7 is scary. Our line and our backs have to be on top of their game in order to make the necessary plays. I think flacco will be alright as long as he has time to go through his reads.
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If we're talking about the 49ers Defense, who's different on their defense this year vs. last year? Nobody as far as I know, other than Aldon Smith plays most snaps now instead of being situational.
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[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1358755224' post='1323632']
Their secondary is very suspect.

If we're going to win this game, it's going to be through Flacco's arm. Matt Ryan was having a field day in the first half against the 49ers.

49ers are built to stop the run, so I think we're going to have to establish the pass first to make Rice and Pierce punch through their line.
[/quote]I'm not concerned the falcons did a good job shutting the 49er's down in the first half . I agree with you 100 percent. I think the broncos have a better defense most definitely a better pass rush and Joe will have a field day picking apart that secondary
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49ers D was getting beat pretty easily by the Falcons Offense for most of the game. Matt Ryan choked hard in the 4th. The Dbs on that team are not that good. Goldson is a good run defender, but can be beat in the passing game.
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With Justin Smith sporting a torn tricep their dline will be a step down from the Pats, but they can cover any lack of push up front with their linebackers who are all stout and athletic. I'm expecting a lot of disguised run blitzing.
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I have faith in Caldwell to plan an attack that will be effective against the niners. He's done a pretty good job the past 3 games and if the O line does their job we should be fine.
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An odd thing I noticed is that Willis was taken out in some pass coverage packages when they played the Packers both times.

Correct me I am wrong, but I NEVER remember Ray (Willis' idol, mentor, & favorite player) come out when he was in his prime in ANY package.
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[quote name='Torris' timestamp='1358785187' post='1324029']
Their defense is overrated. If Flacco gets protection he will have a field day against them.
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Their D seems to feed off their home crowd. They are a better D at home. But your Falcons gave the Ravens some great game film to review. You guys had them.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358785752' post='1324048']
Their D seems to feed off their home crowd. They are a better D at home. But your Falcons gave the Ravens some great game film to review. You guys had them.
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Yeah we did. Even though we didn't score in the 2nd half, we moved the ball pretty well except for when we got stuck at the 1 yard line. That INT by Ryan wasn't his fault, as Roddy slipped after the ball was throw, but the fumble proved costly. At worst we would have ended up with 3 points off that drive, and at the end we could have won with another FG. I'm not angry though. If it's not our time, then it's not. We'll get em next season as long as our defense is improved.
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The 49ers Pass defense have given up a lot more big plays this season, showing some weaknesses if the pass rush doesn't get to the QB..
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[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1358786948' post='1324096']
The 49ers Pass defense have given up a lot more big plays this season, showing some weaknesses if the pass rush doesn't get to the QB..
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Yep. A lot like Denver. If you negate the pass rush, their secondary can be exposed. The way our O-line is playing right now, I like the situation we are in.
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I hope we run run run. I am sorry but look at the rankings with GB and ATL's rushing attack. We all know they are pass happy teams. Justin Smith is hurt, attack him over and over again. I am predicting it now, we have over 150 yds rushing with BP and RR. Caldwell will stick with the run even if we dont have success in the first drive and thats what I love about this change.

Ravens arent afraid of anyone and they shouldnt be. Attack that front and then set up the pass.
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[quote name='terp4life30' timestamp='1358787394' post='1324114']
I hope we run run run. I am sorry but look at the rankings with GB and ATL's rushing attack. We all know they are pass happy teams. Justin Smith is hurt, attack him over and over again. I am predicting it now, we have over 150 yds rushing with BP and RR. Caldwell will stick with the run even if we dont have success in the first drive and thats what I love about this change.

Ravens arent afraid of anyone and they shouldnt be. Attack that front and then set up the pass.
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I agree. Kind of what we did in NE. Try to focus on the run to start. We might be able to have some success. Falcons were running the ball pretty effectively with Turner early on. If we can't, we know we can rely on Joe.

We just can't fall into a predictable mode when focusing on the run.
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[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1358781951' post='1323909']
An odd thing I noticed is that Willis was taken out in some pass coverage packages when they played the Packers both times.

Correct me I am wrong, but I NEVER remember Ray (Willis' idol, mentor, & favorite player) come out when he was in his prime in ANY package.
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When the Niners are forced into the Dime, Willis typically comes out he and Bowman can switch sometimes. So 4 WR lineups Willis will be on the sideline the Niners have been doing this all year. Really that is nothing new.
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[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1358786948' post='1324096']
The 49ers Pass defense have given up a lot more big plays this season, showing some weaknesses if the pass rush doesn't get to the QB..
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Actually, prior to the Falcons game the 49ers had only allowed three 40 plus yard passes all season, according to ESPN:

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[color=#333333][font=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]But they can be beat in the passing game. The secret to beating the 49ers defense, however, is a balanced attack. Every single team that was one dimensional against the 49ers has lost this year. On the other hand, nearly every team that played them with a balanced offensive attack has won. [/size][/font][/color]
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