Flacco, Ryan seek fans' respect

[atljbo]

lol... I really dont wanna hear yall dont hope Matt Ryan lose any more...lol.. Good lord... If you really think Matt Ryan choked...lol.. NVM


Good win by Flacco.... He gets my props

[SecretAgentMan]

This debate has been settled

Ryan
Future hall of fame TE with two elite NFL WR. Still no SB

Flacco
Two great WR, two solid TEs, no weapons like Julio though.
Gets to SB, and if he keeps the hot hand, probably a SB MVP and will go down as one of the greatest young QBs ever.

[RavenArgento]

Joe numbers in the postseason are unreal, he is the boss this year, will be also the next year and as long as he wants to. I see Ryan as the next PM, awesome in regular season and profesional choker in playoffs, the 2nd half against the 9ers was awful


But I guess we are all wrong, because miss Fox says he is clutch http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8854007/nfl-playoffs-time-give-matt-ryan-due

[gotekiraven]

I can't wait to see ol Skip Bayless make himself look like the end bound end of a west bound mule on his show in having to apologize to Flacco

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Raving_Heathen' timestamp='1358739755' post='1322849']
Ryan actually played well, [b]except a really bad turnover[/b] that wasn't entirely his fault. His D is just horrendous. Wish the Falcons had won though-- Ravens would have crushed them. The Niners are going to be a much harder win, but the Ravens will do it!
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Unfortunately, that's been the story of Matt Ryan's playoff career - he's thrown a pick in every playoff game he's had except the one last year vs. the Giants - however that's the one where his offense couldn't score a single point. And as "horrendous" as his D was, they actually finished ranked higher than the Ravens D did at the end of the regular season in terms of PPG allowed.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358751930' post='1323537']
This debate has been settled

Ryan
Future hall of fame TE with two elite NFL WR. Still no SB

Flacco
Two great WR, two solid TEs, no weapons like Julio though.
Gets to SB, and if he keeps the hot hand, probably a SB MVP and will go down as one of the greatest young QBs ever.
[/quote]

We have ONE solid TE.

[callahan09]

Ryan played great in the first half of his two playoff games this year, but badly in the second half, and it almost cost his team the game in the first game, and it did last night...

Flacco played fantastically in the second half, and it helped his team win games.


In the 2nd Half

Flacco: 27/45, 447 Yards, 6 TD, 0 INT --> 133.1 QB Rating
Ryan: 24/35, 240 Yards, 1 TD, 2 INT --> 73.5 QB Rating

HUGE difference. And remember that Flacco had 2 road games in that mix, while Ryan had no 2 home games and no road games.

[TXRaven]

I think Flacco has more than earned respect. He has had a monster postseason.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1358775011' post='1323788']
We have ONE solid TE.
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Yep. Look for Oz to beat the bushes with those late round picks. Sadly, it seems that Ed just can't get that grease off of his hands.

[ravens__]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358778231' post='1323820']



Yep. Look for Oz to beat the bushes with those late round picks. Sadly, it seems that Ed just can't get that grease off of his hands.
[/quote]

Agreed. When he dropped that ball early in the game with us pinned down our own 10, I almost exploded. At least he's a serviceable blocking TE.

[Gordo52]

Like others have said. I like Matt Ryan, just not falcon fans.

[Tank 92]

Ryan's a good QB, but he's no Joe Flacco. At this point in his career, Ryan lacks the calmness and nerve in the real pressure situations that present themselves in the post season.

All of the "fire" and "rah, rah" stuff is way over rated. Give me a QB that is level headed, not getting too high or too low. That quiet, confident demeanor inspires the confidence that spells success.

[EDEC]

glad to see Joe on fire as of late.... he is really stepping it up as is the rest of the team

1 more dance Ray... let´s go out on top

[berad]

And Matt Ryan still deserves no blame for playoff failings?

Joe Flacco shoulders the blame, deservedly so in some cases. Matt Ryan, the pretty boy, is absolved. 2 second half turnovers, 0 points, and throwing a 3-yd pass on 4th and 4... So tell me how well he played...

[Tank 92]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1358782504' post='1323935']
And Matt Ryan still deserves no blame for playoff failings?

Joe Flacco shoulders the blame, deservedly so in some cases. Matt Ryan, the pretty boy, is absolved. 2 second half turnovers, 0 points, and throwing a 3-yd pass on 4th and 4... So tell me how well he played...
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All of the "media" recognition is directly linked to their ability to sell. QBs like Ryan, Bob3, Kap, etc. get favored because they are flashy and fit the media sales model. Conversely, Joe being the quiet, humble family man presents the easy target for criticism, even when he wins. Kind of sad what people value in a player and his accomplishments.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358778231' post='1323820']
Yep. Look for Oz to beat the bushes with those late round picks. Sadly, it seems that Ed just can't get that grease off of his hands.
[/quote]

Yeah good character goes a long way but not when you can't do your job. But hey, at least he'll get to play in a Superbowl before he leaves, with that said hopefully he doesn't get too many targets.

[berad]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358783021' post='1323962']
All of the "media" recognition is directly linked to their ability to sell. QBs like Ryan, Bob3, Kap, etc. get favored because they are flashy and fit the media sales model. Conversely, Joe being the quiet, humble family man presents the easy target for criticism, even when he wins. Kind of sad what people value in a player and his accomplishments.
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Definitely agree with this. Jaworski put Flacco at #8 in his preseason QB rankings and people freaked!

Joe's personality has been at the heart of a lot of the criticism he takes, too. Being quiet and somewhat reserved in pressers comes off as not caring. Random camera shots of him sitting on the bench means 'he doesn't look at / understand film' (more accurately, the picture stills).

Those things have being squashed big time.

[hawkprey]

I do think that Matt Ryan would be more accomplished if he was in Baltimore. But not because of having a better defense. It's because the Falcons' organization doesn't have what the Ravens' does. Joe has a tougher locker room. Matty's team doesn't look like it ever has any toughness down the stretch.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1358785564' post='1324040']
I do think that Matt Ryan would be more accomplished if he was in Baltimore. But not because of having a better defense. It's because the Falcons' organization doesn't have what the Ravens' does. Joe has a tougher locker room. Matty's team doesn't look like it ever has any toughness down the stretch.
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that is exactly what i thought.
you have to be a special kind of guy to have success in our system.
like pollard is the prototype defensive player for the ravens.

a poster boy would have never had success in charm city!!

[Sandbox]

Speaking of respect Tim Hasselbeck who has been popping up on all of the ESPN radio shows today couldn't have less for Flacco. He keeps repeating that Ozzie didn't have confidence in Flacco with his reasoning being that Ozzie didn't attempt to sign him long term and the fact that they fired Cam. I believe both of these are inaccurate as I think they offered a deal to Flacco before the season for around 80 mil if I'm not mistaken. And I don't see how firing Cam means they didn't have confidence in Flacco, if anything it means they were finally willing to take the handcuffs off him; just terrible logic there.

It's amazing how much trash a career backup can talk when given a mic.

[Torris]

Ravens' defense = 43 points given up in 3 playoff games(9 by IND, 21 by DEN, 13 by NE)

Falcons' defense = 56 points given up in 2 playoff games(28 by SEA, 28 by SF)

The difference there is huge. In the beginning of his career, Flacco didn't post great numbers in the playoffs and neither did Ryan. Flacco just had the better team around him along with the better coaches, so he could afford mistakes. Ryan couldn't. As they both have gained more experience they both have gotten much better. Flacco has blossomed into probably the best playoff QB I've seen in a while, and he has a great defense to back him up. Ryan hasn't performed as well as Flacco in the post season this year, but 400 passing yards and 3 TDs should be enough to win against the top defense in the league. Our defense is soft, and we lack the emotional leaders the Ravens have. I don't think Ryan is better than Flacco, nor do I think Flacco is better than Ryan.. The Ravens just have a superior team from top to bottom. The playoff record for QBs whose team give up more than 21 points is not pretty, not even for Brady or Manning.

Either way, this Flacco vs Ryan debate will live on unless Flacco wins Baltimore a Lombardi a couple of weeks from now. I was really hoping we'd face the Ravens in the Superbowl after we grabbed that 17-0 lead, but I should have known not to trust Mike Smith and our defense.

Anyways, good luck in the Superbowl. I'd like to see Ray Lewis go out on top since Gonzo can't.

[Gorillaz MD]

[quote name='Torris' timestamp='1358786493' post='1324086']
Ravens' defense = 43 points given up in 3 playoff games(9 by IND, 21 by DEN, 13 by NE)

Falcons' defense = 56 points given up in 2 playoff games(28 by SEA, 28 by SF)

The difference there is huge. In the beginning of his career, Flacco didn't post great numbers in the playoffs and neither did Ryan. Flacco just had the better team around him along with the better coaches, so he could afford mistakes. Ryan couldn't. As they both have gained more experience they both have gotten much better. Flacco has blossomed into probably the best playoff QB I've seen in a while, and he has a great defense to back him up. Ryan hasn't performed as well as Flacco in the post season this year, but 400 passing yards and 3 TDs should be enough to win against the top defense in the league. Our defense is soft, and we lack the emotional leaders the Ravens have. I don't think Ryan is better than Flacco, nor do I think Flacco is better than Ryan.. The Ravens just have a superior team from top to bottom. The playoff record for QBs whose team give up more than 21 points is not pretty, not even for Brady or Manning.

Either way, this Flacco vs Ryan debate will live on unless Flacco wins Baltimore a Lombardi a couple of weeks from now. I was really hoping we'd face the Ravens in the Superbowl after we grabbed that 17-0 lead, but I should have known not to trust Mike Smith and our defense.

Anyways, good luck in the Superbowl. I'd like to see Ray Lewis go out on top since Gonzo can't.
[/quote]We gave up 35 to DEN, not 21. And the D has been up and down all season due to injuries. IMO, the success is a simple matter a key coaching change (cameron) and getting hot at the right time. We still got one more to go, though. First forum post! Go Ravens!

[berad]

[quote name='Gorillaz MD' timestamp='1358823241' post='1325172']
We gave up 35 to DEN, not 21. And the D has been up and down all season due to injuries. IMO, the success is a simple matter a key coaching change (cameron) and getting hot at the right time. We still got one more to go, though. First forum post! Go Ravens!
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I assume he wasn't including the 2 ST returns but you're right, that is facetious. The Ravens still had to overcome those points, doesn't matter who it was scored against.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1358783484' post='1323981']
Definitely agree with this. Jaworski put Flacco at #8 in his preseason QB rankings and people freaked!

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Not trying to poo on this or drop Joe's ranking(I think he's definitely top 5), but I listened to Jaws talk about him earlier today on Mike and Mike. Turns out that he is a friend of the Flacco family and has been following Joe since high school.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Torris' timestamp='1358786493' post='1324086']
Ravens' defense = 43 points given up in 3 playoff games(9 by IND, 21 by DEN, 13 by NE)

Falcons' defense = 56 points given up in 2 playoff games(28 by SEA, 28 by SF)

The difference there is huge. In the beginning of his career, Flacco didn't post great numbers in the playoffs and neither did Ryan. Flacco just had the better team around him along with the better coaches, so he could afford mistakes. Ryan couldn't. As they both have gained more experience they both have gotten much better. Flacco has blossomed into probably the best playoff QB I've seen in a while, and he has a great defense to back him up. Ryan hasn't performed as well as Flacco in the post season this year, but 400 passing yards and 3 TDs should be enough to win against the top defense in the league. Our defense is soft, and we lack the emotional leaders the Ravens have. I don't think Ryan is better than Flacco, nor do I think Flacco is better than Ryan.. The Ravens just have a superior team from top to bottom. The playoff record for QBs whose team give up more than 21 points is not pretty, not even for Brady or Manning.

Either way, this Flacco vs Ryan debate will live on unless Flacco wins Baltimore a Lombardi a couple of weeks from now. I was really hoping we'd face the Ravens in the Superbowl after we grabbed that 17-0 lead, but I should have known not to trust Mike Smith and our defense.

Anyways, good luck in the Superbowl. I'd like to see Ray Lewis go out on top since Gonzo can't.
[/quote] And all of the receivers Flacco had in his first years are out of the league now. Mason got cut and bounced around. Mark Clayton was cut and had one injury-shortened season before leaving the league. Demetrius Williams is now in the UFL. Yamon Figurs had 3 receptions in the league before turning to the CFL. Other WRs brought in, Housh, Stallworth, and Evans haven't really done anything since their release either. Todd Heap, our only useful TE has fallen off the map in Arizona.

Ryans' receivers include Roddy White, who has become a beast, Gonzo, who is the best receiving TE ever, Harry Douglas, who is one of the best #3's in the league, and ex-Falcons Michael Jenkins and Laurent Robinson are still productive receivers for other teams.

So Joe didn't exactly have the same help Ryan did on the offensive side of the ball.

[flynismo]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358823946' post='1325197']
Not trying to poo on this or drop Joe's ranking(I think he's definitely top 5), but I listened to Jaws talk about him earlier today on Mike and Mike. Turns out that he is a friend of the Flacco family and has been following Joe since high school.
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Doesn't mean the Jaws is biased. Means that he knows Flacco much better than idiots like Jamie Dukes and Heath Evans

[Tank 92]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1358824805' post='1325222']


Doesn't mean the Jaws is biased. Means that he knows Flacco much better than idiots like Jamie Dukes and Heath Evans
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Exactly. Just found it interesting.

[flynismo]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358825643' post='1325242']
Exactly. Just found it interesting.
[/quote]

Never knew that though. Wonder how jaws came to know the family of some kid in Delaware?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Torris' timestamp='1358786493' post='1324086']
[size=4]Anyways, good luck in the Superbowl. I'd like to see Ray Lewis go out on top since Gonzo can't.[/size]
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That is a tough pill to swallow. Gonzo has been playing at such a high level for so long and only got his first playoff win last year. It was sweet, but its a shame. Great player and guy.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1358824745' post='1325220']
And all of the receivers Flacco had in his first years are out of the league now. Mason got cut and bounced around. Mark Clayton was cut and had one injury-shortened season before leaving the league. Demetrius Williams is now in the UFL. Yamon Figurs had 3 receptions in the league before turning to the CFL. Other WRs brought in, Housh, Stallworth, and Evans haven't really done anything since their release either. Todd Heap, our only useful TE has fallen off the map in Arizona.

Ryans' receivers include Roddy White, who has become a beast, Gonzo, who is the best receiving TE ever, Harry Douglas, who is one of the best #3's in the league, and ex-Falcons Michael Jenkins and Laurent Robinson are still productive receivers for other teams.

So Joe didn't exactly have the same help Ryan did on the offensive side of the ball.
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I've never understood why quality of receivers is not brought up in all of the QB discussions. After all, they are a pretty important part of the equation. Don't ya think?