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If Jim Caldwell remains the Ravens OC, who would be a good fit to take over Jim's previous position on the coaching staff? I assume, we don't want to hire Cam Cameron back and Jim Zorn's firing stirred up a lot of drama. I certainly don't want our OC to be our QB coach as well, again.
Anybody knows good candidates for that position?
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1358477722' post='1316191']
If Jim Caldwell remains the Ravens OC, who would be a good fit to take over Jim's previous position on the coaching staff? I assume, we don't want to hire Cam Cameron back and Jim Zorn's firing stirred up a lot of drama. I certainly don't want our OC to be our QB coach as well, again.
Anybody knows good candidates for that position?
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I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I like Caldwell filling both positions for now. I think it offers some stability and consistency that Joe hasn't had for all of his NFL career.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358478000' post='1316199']
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I like Caldwell filling both positions for now. I think it offers some stability and consistency that Joe hasn't had for all of his NFL career.
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That's what Cameron thought. Admittedly, Joe appears to have a better report with Jim then with Cam, just because Caldwell seems to actually trust Joe more and allows him to lead the offense, but I do think it would be better, if there is someone who watches over Joe's mechanics while Caldwell works out the best possible system to fit Flacco in.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358478000' post='1316199']
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I like Caldwell filling both positions for now. I think it offers some stability and consistency that Joe hasn't had for all of his NFL career.
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Yep. We really don't need a QB coach if things are working. With Caldwell the QB position is working. Bringing in another new 'voice' might not be the best option at this point in time.
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1358478373' post='1316204']
That's what Cameron thought. Admittedly, Joe appears to have a better report with Jim then with Cam, just because Caldwell seems to actually trust Joe more and allows him to lead the offense, but I do think it would be better, if there is someone who watches over Joe's mechanics while Caldwell works out the best possible system to fit Flacco in.
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I hear what you are saying, but for me at this point in Joe's career I like applying the KISS principle. I think he is now comfortable and on a good course.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358478437' post='1316206']
Yep. We really don't need a QB coach if things are working. With Caldwell the QB position is working. Bringing in another new 'voice' might not be the best option at this point in time.
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Yesssir!
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358478787' post='1316208']
I hear what you guys are saying, but for me at this point in Joe's career I like applying the KISS principle. I think he is now comfortable and on a good course.
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As good as he is, he still has that tendency to overthrow receivers, which if it were not for the firing of Zorn, Camerons stupid tenure as OC/QB coach and the roller coaster of Caldwells tenure as the QB/OC coach, could've been improved upon LONG ago. It's remarkable how much time we wasted in Flaccos development, because we wouldn't part ways with that loser Cam. -_- Sry, where was I?

[b]So no one can even name someone? I am just curious, if there even is a good candidate out there.[/b]
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There's a very good chance we'll bring Zorn back, in my limited opinion.

But really, I dont think we have a need for a QB coach.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1358479341' post='1316221']
There's a very good chance we'll bring Zorn back, in my limited opinion.

But really, I dont think we have a need for a QB coach.
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You're the president of the Flacco lovers fanclub. You think he needs no improvment.
Zorn! I WANT JIM ZORN!
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1358479134' post='1316219']


As good as he is, he still has that tendency to overthrow receivers, which if it were not for the firing of Zorn, Camerons stupid tenure as OC/QB coach and the roller coaster of Caldwells tenure as the QB/OC coach, could've been improved upon LONG ago. It's remarkable how much time we wasted in Flaccos development, because we wouldn't part ways with that loser Cam. -_- Sry, where was I?

[b]So no one can even name someone? I am just curious, if there even is a good candidate out there.[/b]
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I think Joe's overthrows are more a product of caution rather than technique. I like, as I'm sure as you do as well, his ability to avoid interceptions. We can live with occasional overthrows, picks suck.

That said, if we were to hire a QB coach, I like Johnny, oh wait, sorry.......... LOL!
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1358479341' post='1316221']
There's a very good chance we'll bring Zorn back, in my limited opinion.

But really, I dont think we have a need for a QB coach.
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C'mon Man! When has your opinion ever been limited? :-)
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358478437' post='1316206']


Yep. We really don't need a QB coach if things are working. With Caldwell the QB position is working. Bringing in another new 'voice' might not be the best option at this point in time.
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Quoted for truth.
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I never got this huge love of Zorn. The guy has coached some of the worst teams in the NFL and was never a great coach. I feel the only reason Flacco really liked him was because he actually had a say in things while Cam would brush him off.

I would bring in anyone that Caldwell wants. The mechanics of a qb aren't really the hardest things to teach, it's making sure you emphasize the same aspects and have the same philosophy of your offensive coordinator. Caldwell should choose a guy who shares similar opinions with him so there is not butting heads in how to teach Flacco.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1358482631' post='1316254']
I never got this huge love of Zorn. The guy has coached some of the worst teams in the NFL and was never a great coach. I feel the only reason Flacco really liked him was because he actually had a say in things while Cam would brush him off.

I would bring in anyone that Caldwell wants. The mechanics of a qb aren't really the hardest things to teach, it's making sure you emphasize the same aspects and have the same philosophy of your offensive coordinator. Caldwell should choose a guy who shares similar opinions with him so there is not butting heads in how to teach Flacco.
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Frank Reich was the QB coach during Caldwells tenure as HC of Colts.
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1358483838' post='1316261']
Frank Reich was the QB coach during Caldwells tenure as HC of Colts.
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Backed up Boomer Esiason at Maryland. I don't think he would mind coming down here. Was QB coach and switched to WR coach for a year before being released with the entire Colts staff. I guess it's a negative that he coached some of the worst backups in the history of the NFL but I don't know much about him.
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I really think Zorn would be the best choice since he knows Joe and did get him to improve

I would really like Jim Harbaugh but Id doubt he'd downgrade.

As for a real choice, I would say Eli Manning's QB coach during his second superbowl run. Eli seemed very honed in and had phenomenal season. I live in NY and have the pleasure of watching both the giants and jets every year (kill me) while I search online to watch Ravens games, but this guy cleaned Eli's technique a lot, simplified the process of going through progressions for him, and really improved his accuracy leading to career highs for Eli and a second ring. Name escapes me though Im sure someone could find it.
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I say keep things just like they are. If Caldwell and Joe aren't asking for a new QB coach, then things must be ok and leave it as such.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358478000' post='1316199']
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I like Caldwell filling both positions for now. I think it offers some stability and consistency that Joe hasn't had for all of his NFL career.
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totally agree with this; don't fix things that aren't broken.....Joe and Caldwell are great for each other; I just hope other teams don't steal Caldwell from us....
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I think we need a qb coach next year and zorn would be a good candidate as long as he doesn't get anywhere near the playcalling sheet. Another guy I think would be a good candidate is John mcnulty. He was arizona's qb coach last year and their WR coach three years before that. He was the OC at rutgers from 06-08. He might be a good guy to bring over here
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358480298' post='1316233']
C'mon Man! When has your opinion ever been limited? :-)
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Ha, limited meaning that my guess is good as yours, lol
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358479973' post='1316227']
You're the president of the Flacco lovers fanclub. You think he needs no improvment.
Zorn! I WANT JIM ZORN!
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No, don't think that he has no room to improve, but the one lesson I think we should have learned by now is that too many cooks spoil the broth. Honestly, I hope that next season, Caldwell is our OC and our QB coach, much like Cam was
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Unless Flacco underperforms to end this season in the playoffs, I like keeping Caldwell the way we have him, and not bringing on anybody new. Caldwell was already serving as Flacco's QB coach, so he has a good rapport with him, and applying that to the offense in whole seems like the best thing. Bringing in a third QB coach in six years doesn't sound like an ideal situation.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358479973' post='1316227']
You're the president of the Flacco lovers fanclub.
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No, that'd be [i]me.[/i]

As for the original question, I'd love to see Hue Jackson back here but I doubt he'd want a demotion to QB coach; he's currently interviewing with the Panthers for their OC position and he's already had a taste for head-coaching gigs.
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Obviously, Zorn is the first choice if he'll come back. I don't think he will after how he was treated though.
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Notice that no team is beating down the door for Cam's services. That should tell you all something. I believe 10000% that if Flacco had a different OC from day one, we would have been had another superbowl by now. Caldwell is doing a good job in both roles as QB Coach and OC. Besides, who's better to tailor an offense around the strengths of the quarterback better then the person who is also coaching the qb in his play style?

Here's a interesting story from the Bleacher Report about Caldwell

[url="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1486508-jim-caldwell-has-made-a-strong-case-to-remain-baltimore-ravens-oc"]http://bleacherrepor...imore-ravens-oc[/url]

Don Banks from SI on Caldwell
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130115/nfl-playoffs-jim-caldwell-ravens/
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