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Props to John Harbaugh

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I couldn't agree more with all who praise Harbaugh for his wonderful and winning leadership of the Ravens. He's the best!
However, each year I am concerned with the injuries that we accumulate over the year. Games are lost because of these injuries. Could we be doing more to prevent these injuries? Yesterday's Wall Street Journal had a very interesting article about the emphasis the 49ers place on stretching. Many may consider this sissy, but read the article [url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324734904578243930799732200.html?KEYWORDS=49ers+Love+to+Stretch"]http://online.wsj.co...Love to Stretch[/url]
The article even provides the statistic that over the past two years, the Ravens have had 94% more game misses than the 49ers. A game miss is when one player is missing from a game because of an injury. I really think the Raven's medical staff should take a look at this article.
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John should've fired Cameron a year ago. No way I can give him props for firing that guy late in the season.
Flacco's development has been horribly mishandled for years. Joe has great physical skills that gives him great play making ability (watch the game against Denver, if you don't believe me) and whenever we actually opened up the offense for him, he showed great command of the team (see our season opener as an example for that), but for some reason we ran the same take care of the ball run first offense for 4 years straight. Heck, we did it again in the second half of the game in Denver under Caldwell.
I hope and pray, that Joe demands a huge 100$ Million contract, because that would actually force the coaching staff to put some trust into him and not just when they are "forced" to.
All the positive development under Caldwell is just a small sample size of what we could get out of our passing offense and after 4 horrible years of Cam this shouldn't be nearly enough.
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[quote name='Im Too Legendary' timestamp='1358393968' post='1315068']
Hmm.. I tend to come across more Pittsburgh Steelers or Denver Broncos fans (especially within the past few months, they apparently came out of the woodworks).


I took a great friend of mine to Disneyland for her birthday last Monday (the 7th of January), and to our surprise it was ridicuously crowded considering it was a Monday--but we came across at least twenty-five Denver Broncos fans. Needless to say she was very excited about that, for she herself is a Broncos fan born and raised. I was happy to see at least one Ravens fan though, sporting a #20 Reed jersey!

A lot of people respect the Ravens around here (West Los Angeles), but aren't necessarily "fans", as I or anyone else around here may call themselves. They're sure hopping on the Bandwagon now though ;)
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I guess I am just referring to the fact that there are two pretty solid "Ravens bars" in LA. I dont know if you look to go out to watch the games, but it is a convenience when a lot of the games arent on TV out here. There is a bar called South on Wilshire and I wanna say 26th and another bar called the Parlor in Hollywood on Melrose right off La Cienega. Both are great environments on game day.
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1358449243' post='1315747']
John should've fired Cameron a year ago. No way I can give him props for firing that guy late in the season.
Flacco's development has been horribly mishandled for years. Joe has great physical skills that gives him great play making ability (watch the game against Denver, if you don't believe me) and whenever we actually opened up the offense for him, he showed great command of the team (see our season opener as an example for that), but for some reason we ran the same take care of the ball run first offense for 4 years straight. Heck, [b]we did it again in the second half of the game in Denver under Caldwell.[/b]
I hope and pray, that Joe demands a huge 100$ Million contract, because that would actually force the coaching staff to put some trust into him and not just when they are "forced" to.
All the positive development under Caldwell is just a small sample size of what we could get out of our passing offense and after 4 horrible years of Cam this shouldn't be nearly enough.
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I disagree with that in second half, Broncos defense have adjusted to our passing and playing more with zone like cover 2 and 3 instead of blitz, cover 1, and cover 2. Therefore, their secondary have some help from the safeties. We're forced to run which is good cuz we have superstar Rice in the backfield. You have to be able to adjust to what the given defense. There's nothing wrong with running the ball more on second half. The result was in the daylight in which we score mostly on deep ball. I love what Caldwell did with his playcalling and giving Joe more option in the passing game as well...
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[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1358451545' post='1315782']
I disagree with that in second half, Broncos defense have adjusted to our passing and playing more with zone like cover 2 and 3 instead of blitz, cover 1, and cover 2. Therefore, their secondary have some help from the safeties. We're forced to run which is good cuz we have superstar Rice in the backfield. You have to be able to adjust to what the given defense. There's nothing wrong with running the ball more on second half. The result was in the daylight in which we score mostly on deep ball. I love what Caldwell did with his playcalling and giving Joe more option in the passing game as well...
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Point taken, but he stayed too long with it and overcommited. You can only run on first down so many times until the offense becomes predictable.
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[quote name='Footman DCXLV' timestamp='1358340673' post='1313996']
All good points with one thing in common: they all happened this year. I think one of the reasons he hasn't gotten as much credit as he deserves is because for the first four years, we were predominantly a defensive team. The problem is that we have been a defensive team with different coaches/coordinators for over a decade. So, the perspective is that he is a good coach who came in, made this team better, and brought consistency with getting to the playoffs every year, but hadn't done anything like the "elite" coaches have done such as winning a Super Bowl or finding success in a bad situation. He had the luxury of a good situation coming in.
I think he has earned a lot of respect down the stretch, and will be much more respected next year as a result of what he's done this year. He's taken a team that no longer has that defensive presence (statistically, anyway) that was built long before he was here to the championship game for the third time in five years. He's become the only coach to win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons, and if we get to, or even win the Super Bowl this year, that will put him over the edge as one of the top coaches in the league.
What I've noticed is that he is often respected as one of the better coaches in the league, but just isn't in that Bellichick/Tomlin/McCarthy group yet. [b]While Bellichick is the best coach[/b] in the league, I do think Harbaugh is a better coach than Tomlin (who owes all his success to Dick Lebeau, the most underrated coach in the league) and McCarthy, they've "overcome" more adversity than Harbaugh has. Tomlin continually deals with an injured quarterback and offensive issues, but remains a defensively dominant team who everybody expects to be in the playoffs every year (even if he has missed the playoffs entirely two out of the last four years). McCarthy made the Favre-Rodgers transition and went on to win the Super Bowl. Even guys like Mike Smith get more credit than Harbaugh because he took over what was a trainwreck of a team after the Vick era and turned it into one of the better teams in the league. All Harbaugh did was take over a team that had been in the playoffs in four of its last nine seasons (which doesn't sound great to us anymore, but teams like Cleveland and Jacksonville would kill for it) and had a top 5 defense and good running game established before he got here. He's a victim of circumstance. If Baltimore had been a worse team before he got here, he would have already gotten that credit. Instead, I think he's only now starting to earn in.
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Tom Coughlin? I like Belicheck over the course of a season but for one game I'm taking Coughlin every time.
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1358455054' post='1315837']
Point taken, but he stayed too long with it and overcommited. You can only run on first down so many times until the offense becomes predictable.
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You can see why John Fox wanted Manning to run the ball more in second half and especially in the OT; he wanted to limit the turnovers and he knows we expected Manning to pass the ball more than running so we play cover2 most of the time. When Manning wants to pass, he ended up with INT, leading to losing the game.

Coming to the game, they didn't respect our passing game so they play alot of aggressive defense, so Joe stepped up and beat them with his arms. Of course, our pass protection was great too which is crucial for any QB.

Additionally, I believe Joe/Caldwell wanted to make them think we are one dimentional offense which will open up alot of things. Joe see it so do Caldwell.

It may look predictable, but it's not cuz they got beat alot with deep passes. We beat the Colts with short passes and we beat the Denver with deep passes, so our offense will adjust to whatever they plan to stop us. That makes us unpredictable.

NE will try to take Torrey away from us, but you know Rice/Pierce will have big game against their soft running defense.

PS: I feel kind of strange that sometimes I don't know are Joe/Caldwell going to happy pass offense this week, heaving running game, or balance? I'm looking forward to it......
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I totally agree. He is one hell of a coach. Whether or not he did those three calls by himself, those were three gutsy call only a coach with balls of steel can make.
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[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1358461207' post='1315929']
Tom Coughlin? I like Belicheck over the course of a season but for one game I'm taking Coughlin every time.
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History says to take Coughlin over Bellechick in a head-to-head matchup. If they aren't playing each other, I'm still taking Bellechick 10 times out of 10.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1358449609' post='1315756']
I guess I am just referring to the fact that there are two pretty solid "Ravens bars" in LA. I dont know if you look to go out to watch the games, but it is a convenience when a lot of the games arent on TV out here. There is a bar called South on Wilshire and I wanna say 26th and another bar called the Parlor in Hollywood on Melrose right off La Cienega. Both are great environments on game day.
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Sigh*, if only I was 21, I'm a slight youngin' (18) :P

I would, however, love to meet fellow members and fans within the community in the near future though! :)


And believe me, the internet has saved me many a times to be able to watch one of our games when I'm on campus (first year freshman dorming), as well as probably any other fans that reside out of Baltimore. It can be a pain here and there, but I sure make the most of it!
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I agree that John Harbaugh is one of the best coaches in the NFL. Top 5 easily. But I don't think the decision to pick Tucker over Cundiff what all that hard. Cundiff has been a journeyman kicker for his careeer and did not have a good season in 2011. Then of course there was the miss in Foxboro. Tucker made the kick against Texas A&M in college and had a great audition tape. If Tucker at least could kick on par with Cundiff the job was his. The coaches would never admit this, but I think the job was always Tucker's to lose.

As for John's "doghouse", is this something the fans madeup or is this real?
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[quote name='Footman DCXLV' timestamp='1358487327' post='1316286']
History says to take Coughlin over Bellechick in a head-to-head matchup. If they aren't playing each other, I'm still taking Bellechick 10 times out of 10.
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True but you've gotta have him in the conversation for best coaches in the league. Easily a better coach than McCarthy and Tomlin given that everything in GB and Pitt is built for a head coach to be successful unlike the media circus that is New York City. Again I personally wouldn't want to spend any extended time with the guy but the way he manages that franchise given the environment he's in is beautiful.
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[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1358358034' post='1314246']
He's a good coach. Most people that were anti-John often said that he just took a really good team form BB and rode from there... Well our team is almost completely different from the team that he took over and we are still rolling.

I find it ironic that his brother took over the exact same sort of team, in the same type of situation and is doing the same things with their teams. Idk what was going on in that Harbaugh household, but I'm still young enough to learn!

I'm up for adaption!!
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Not to mention the Ravens never were perennial playoff contenders under BB. The Ravens after 2000 were pretty much a in one year out the next franchise, and I don't think we ever got to the championship game under Billick after our superbowl year.
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[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1358531532' post='1316687']
True but you've gotta have him in the conversation for best coaches in the league. Easily a better coach than McCarthy and Tomlin given that everything in GB and Pitt is built for a head coach to be successful unlike the media circus that is New York City. Again I personally wouldn't want to spend any extended time with the guy but the way he manages that franchise given the environment he's in is beautiful.
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He's probably a top 10 coach in the league, but I still don't put him on my list of the "best," whatever number you limit that to. Any coach who wins a Super Bowl deserves some amount of respect, and anybody who wins two deserves that much more. But, he's also missed the playoffs completely three out of the last four seasons. Comparing him to Belichick is no contest.
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[quote name='Footman DCXLV' timestamp='1358541634' post='1316849']
He's probably a top 10 coach in the league, but I still don't put him on my list of the "best," whatever number you limit that to. Any coach who wins a Super Bowl deserves some amount of respect, and anybody who wins two deserves that much more. But, he's also missed the playoffs completely three out of the last four seasons. Comparing him to Belichick is no contest.
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I don't know if I agree with that. The AFC East has been a powderpuff division forever. "Making the playoffs" is a nice indicator but the Giants play in the NFC East which (while perennially overrated) is also perennially extremely competitive. I'm sensing some AFC bias here ;-). And Coughlin didn't just win 2 Super Bowls, he beat the "best coach in the league" when he had the best offense in the league twice--that's not a coincidence. I'm not arguing the Belichick isn't the best coach because you can't scoff at his body of work (Although you can scoff at the cheating that got him that record) but I think you're underrating Coughlin pretty dramatically by calling him "Top 10" when he's Top 3 at a minimum.
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I think Harbaugh genuinely loves this Ravens organization

Not alot coach in NFL stay in 1 organization as a leader and stayed with them with much success as Harbaugh has. HC gets shuffled around each year and you really dont know whether they are 100% in it or not. You can see he believes in this team, and he and players feeds off alot of that emotion and believe in what we can do each year. I think this year has truely been a testiment to that. We had injuries, unexpected losses, criticism from media, and adversity all throughout the season, but be able to hold our players as a team is a good example of that. I also would like to give props to our players, especially young guys that truely believe in what we are doing and stepped up when things couldve went south for us.

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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1358295588' post='1313607']
For whatever reason, John Harbaugh never get's the credit he deserves for being one of the best coaches in the NFL. In fact he frequently comes under fire from fans for not being "offensively minded" among other laughable critiques.

Looking past the remarkable fact that he has led the Ravens to 5 consecutive playoff berths and won at least 1 game in each of those postseasons including 3 AFCCG appearances, I wanted to focus on 3 critical decisions he has made over the course of the season that has this team where it is today.

1) Choosing Justin Tucker over Billy Cundiff. To a lot of fans this seemed like an easy decision, but in reality it was quite a gamble. And it worked beautifully. Cundiff was the established veteran with a big contract that also happened to be coming off one of the worst choke-jobs ever. Tucker was the young buck with zero experience, but a big leg. Tucker also managed to convince Harbs that he was clutch and I give credit to both John and Justin for coming to the right decision here.

2) Firing Cam Cameron and promoting Jim Caldwell. Once again this is something a lot of us fans wanted to see done a long time ago, but to make the move in the middle of the season was a gutsy call. Some may argue that there were other (ownership) influences on this decision, but at the end the call comes down to the HC and Harbaugh once again makes the tough and proper decision.

3) Inserting Bryant McKinnie as a starter for the first time in the playoffs. McKinnie was in Harbs' infamous "doghouse" for much of the season. He came into camp overweight and almost got cut, but managed to stick around because frankly we didnt have much of a choice. Whenever Big Mac came in to play during the season he looked sloppy and seemed like just didnt have a clue what was going on, but somewhere along the way he managed to gain Harbs' trust and was given the chance to start. We had a revolving door (literally) at LG for the entire season and moving KO there to go along with Oher to RT and McKinnie to LT has been a huge boon. This change might be the biggest reason why we are playing in the AFCCG.

Awesome job once again Coach. Keep up the great work and finish the season right in New Orleans!
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I'm not posting anything negative during the playoffs, so I'll wait to address some of your points.

But the one thing I do agree with... yes, the Ravens have made the playoffs the last 5 years.

Consider it... FESTIVUS, and soon to be FESTIVUS MAXIMUS!
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[quote name='Footman DCXLV' timestamp='1358487327' post='1316286']


History says to take Coughlin over Bellechick in a head-to-head matchup. If they aren't playing each other, I'm still taking Bellechick 10 times out of 10.
[/quote]I'm taking John 10 times out of 10.
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I think we can all agree that above all, John Harbaugh values loyalty and hard work. He fought for Cam Cameron for several years because of their close relationship. He decided this year to keep Michael Oher over Bryant McKinnie because of McKinnie's conditioning issues and the fact that Oher is one of the hardest working guys out there. But it takes a great coach when to recognize that your biggest strengths are sometimes your biggest weaknesses. He had the courage to fire Cam right at the end of the regular season, and he had the courage to insert Bryant McKinnie in at left tackle after not having started him for a single game this season, and both of those decisions were so critical in what we've seen these past 3 weeks. I just want to say that I'm very grateful to have had Harbs as our coach these last 5 years, and I believe this year he's done some major growing and will only get better with time.
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[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1358743225' post='1323126']
I think we can all agree that above all, John Harbaugh values loyalty and hard work. He fought for Cam Cameron for several years because of their close relationship. He decided this year to keep Michael Oher over Bryant McKinnie because of McKinnie's conditioning issues and the fact that Oher is one of the hardest working guys out there. But it takes a great coach when to recognize that your biggest strengths are sometimes your biggest weaknesses. He had the courage to fire Cam right at the end of the regular season, and he had the courage to insert Bryant McKinnie in at left tackle after not having started him for a single game this season, and both of those decisions were so critical in what we've seen these past 3 weeks. I just want to say that I'm very grateful to have had Harbs as our coach these last 5 years, and I believe this year he's done some major growing and will only get better with time.
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He took a step this year. I think last year is when yiu really started to notice a change. He seems to have a better oukse of the team since last year and seems to have opened up a little more. Maybe cause the younger guys have matured too now but it seems like hes really starting to hit his coaching stride.
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He is a great coach and I'm glad to have as our HC he gets crap sometimes by the fans, but overall we couldn't have hired a better coach.
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I think the Ravens have THE head coach for THIS time in their history. :) Coming out of the stadium tonight, I was able to fully embrace the joy that is cheering your team's win in an opposing stadium. That was fun. I think this is the time for Harbaugh and Flacco. I think that because I also think of Harbaugh like Dungy. The man's not going to coach forever. He's got other obligations that mean more to him than football, and I can easily see him walking away to pursue them before his kid's grown. So I'm excited for the next two weeks and what has happened this year for this team! :)
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I think he's loosened up a bit this season and it's helped, McKinnie and Ellerbe have been key players in our playoff push.
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I love him as a HC. He reminds me of Belichick without the arrogance and grumpiness. He might not be there yet with playcalling and that stuff, but he knows how to get the best out of his guys.
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i am just sooooooooo thankful we don't have Garrett or Ryan right now. i don't want to think about how we'd be without harbs. this isn't just an impulsive comment because we made the SB but i want no other coach in the NFL right now than John. fits our team and city so well. Congrats to everyone Ravens.
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I have to give a shout out to Ingrid Harbaugh in this thread. Behind every great man is an even greater woman, and she is a giant part of him being in this position and place right now. :)

Sorry, have to acknowledge the wives behind the men. Coaches' wives are a tough breed!
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When Harbaugh talks about love, faith and family you know it comes from the bottom of his heart.
Could you ever in a million years imagine him cutting one of our players this week the way Belicheat did last year?
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I like Harbaugh because he's a disciplinare coach, who will get the most out of their players to play hard and never give up. There's a reason why he's coached five playoff teams in a row. Discipline is one of the most underrated trait out of head coaches these days. Owners go for coaches who are smart, innovative, friendly, and strong-willed, but not many on the disciplinary side. I always remember that someone will discipline others because they do it out of love and so they will mature stronger through struggle and discipline. Both Harbaugh have coached their team into perennial playoff teams because they emphasize discipline over talent. I remember Harbaugh couple years ago threw Ellerbe into the doghouse due to his immaturity and indiscipline for the game. I must say that Ellerbe has grown up to be one of the rising stars of this defense. I think I would have no other coach than Harbaugh. Yes, he's flawed in a sense that he's not the best play-caller or best football mind, but he will train men to be men and that's the bottom line especially in the NFL.

Go Harbaugh!!!
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I think another good thing to keep in mind is that, unlike the feelings I get about his brother Jim, I don't think a million Super Bowls would change the character or priorities of John Harbaugh. Faith, family, football. I don't see where there's ever been a change in ranking of those three things in his life. I think he's humble, appreciative, and understanding of his blessings in life. I'm really looking forward to watching this Super Bowl unfold, and I hope for all the Ravens, they get another ring.
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