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#21 AsianRice

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

Perhaps they will trade us Moore. I would love to have Rahim Moore. Perhaps we can get him for a 7th? I'll trade them Cody for Moore.

I'll take Moore with 7th pick........

I think sore losers would call it a Hail Mary when we have 2 timeouts and 30s left which is alot of time left on the board, additionally with 3rd and 2. They just can't accept the fact that strong arm Joe cool beat them with his deep pass all night long...

PS: Evans and Cundiff lost us AFC championship last year, but I wasn't all crazy to call their heads, just snuck in corner and cry for the unfortunate.....
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:52 AM

a "Hail Mary" pass is a last minute desperation thing. Joe's pass to Jacoby wasn't that imo.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:01 PM

It was. Was also the same direction for the OT kick. That little back wind helped us on two crucial plays.


Pretty sure it helped both of Holliday's returns as well, though.

Kicking left to right Tucker was only getting the ball a couple of yards deep in to the endzone. Right to left he was pinging it through the uprights on kickoffs.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:05 PM

Calling that play a Hail Mary is doing a great disservice to both Flacco and Jones. It was a fantastic play by Jones coupled with a perfect deep pass from Flacco. Of course there was a tad bit of luck and it was capitalizing on Moore's error but calling it a hail mary makes it seem like Joe just put it up and hoped.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:14 PM

It definitely wasn't a Hail Mary, even Jones said so because there was an actual play call for what happened.

As for Rahim Moore, he happened to get beat on one critical play, and if some so-called "fans" are going to be low enough as to make death threats, then they really need to stop watching the game.


I also don't think people are giving Jacoby enough credit for his route and how it played into beating Moore. In Cam's offense our players are coached to "beat the ball to the spot" (direct quote from Harbaugh). As fans, we tend to think Joe is underthrowing the receivers or throwing the ball late, but it turns out that's what they're supposed to do. I also once heard Joe say that he throws those contested sideline throws on purpose. He throws the ball down field directly at the back of the defender's head so he even if he has position he can't locate it (a la the 32-yarder to Torrey over Bailey). Back on topic, Jacoby burned by Carter and then slowed down for about 4 strides. In my opinion, that 4 stride decrease in speed is what fooled Moore who already didn't think Joe could make the throw he made. I think it was the thin air, plus underestimation of Joe's ability (thank you media), plus Jacoby's route running, plus a rookie trying to do too much in a critical situation that led to that play.

Edited by beasy2487, 14 January 2013 - 12:15 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

With just 30 seconds left (anything under a minute really) and passing far as you can hoping your player comes down with is a Hail Mary....lets be real people..

just because it wasn't called a hail mary in the huddle doesn't mean it was not..


Lets be real? Watch the replays. There eas nothing hail mary about that. Joe saw a lapse in coverage and planted the ball right where it needed to be for Jacoby to catch it. It was a long passing play, not a hail mary at all. You are the one who needs to be real. There was no desperation in it, and no mindless lob into the endzone.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

switch the outcomes and this board would be doing the same thing.

One would certainly hope not. It's distressing to see (unless it's Cary Williams getting beat AGAIN :) )

And while Kiszla is certainly a tool, it would have been nice last week to see a little bit of "fan-mentality" loyalty from our own Sun and WNST reporters, none of whom gave us a chance.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

Pretty sure it helped both of Holliday's returns as well, though.

Kicking left to right Tucker was only getting the ball a couple of yards deep in to the endzone. Right to left he was pinging it through the uprights on kickoffs.


This is true. Whenever either side was kicking left to right you could see the difference. Both of Holliday's returns were of the left to right kick variety. The wind wasn't much. But in a cold weather game, it seemed to have a slight factor.

I was happy when the quarter ended and we were going to have a shot kicking the FG in the right direction.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

That play really wasn't a Hail Mary type of play, at least not in my eyes. That was a great deep ball play.


This. Hail Marys are desperation. Joe knew exactly what he was doing.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

a "Hail Mary" pass is a last minute desperation thing. Joe's pass to Jacoby wasn't that imo.

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Thanks for explaining to a tea..perfect...a 30 second 70 yard heave ?

Why it matters either way baffles me, the Ravens won and that matters most
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

Thanks for explaining to a tea..perfect...a 30 second 70 yard heave ?

Why it matters either way baffles me, the Ravens won and that matters most


LOL

a heave? It wasn't a heave. It was placed nearly perfect into Jacoby's hands. He slowed down one step to receive it. It matters because it completely discounts Jacoby's route running ability that allowed him to get behind two defenders, and Flacco's deep pass capability, the read he made to see Jacoby had beaten the coverage, and the accuracy of the pass. Hail Mary's are made with no aim and are followed by a prayer. Both Jones and Flacco knew exactly what they were doing.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

Moore gets the same raw deal Bill Buckner got. The Red Sox made numerous mistakes in that game but everybody only remembers the ball through the legs. It's not fair but that's how it unfolds.

But I do like The Flacco Fling. It was in a local paper and I like the ring to it. Flacco has the strongest arm in the league and he should have a name for it when he hits one of our burners DEEP.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

LOL

a heave? It wasn't a heave. It was placed nearly perfect into Jacoby's hands. He slowed down one step to receive it. It matters because it completely discounts Jacoby's route running ability that allowed him to get behind two defenders, and Flacco's deep pass capability, the read he made to see Jacoby had beaten the coverage, and the accuracy of the pass. Hail Mary's are made with no aim and are followed by a prayer. Both Jones and Flacco knew exactly what they were doing.


Also if you didn't know Jacoby was not to run a go route but hew saw Flacco in trouble and took off thus the "heave" for a hail mary pass.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:41 PM

Also if you didn't know Jacoby was not to run a go route but hew saw Flacco in trouble and took off thus the "heave" for a hail mary pass.


Please. It's not a hail mary, not even close. Call it a heave if you want, but it was a damn accurate heave meant for one player and it worked to perfection.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

Please. It's not a hail mary, not even close. Call it a heave if you want, but it was a damn accurate heave meant for one player and it worked to perfection.


The offensive play call was not Hail Mary. I have never seen a hail Mary where you are counting on one guy for a catch. Plus to hit a guy on the sideline is skill that deep.

Russell Wilson threw a hail Mary attempt yesterday. You can plainly see a difference. Atlanta even put Julio in to guard against it.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

Also if you didn't know Jacoby was not to run a go route but hew saw Flacco in trouble and took off thus the "heave" for a hail mary pass.


Dude, no. You're wrong, you know you're wrong so just stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw9Po9eh4M8

THAT'S a Hail Mary. Wilson threw in the general direction of the end-zone and hoped one of his guys would catch it. A Hail Mary is defeined by the low, low chance of success and the only being able to run that one last play. The Ravens had another down and three yards with 30 seconds on the clock. Flacco knew exactly where he was throwing it and was aiming for a specific receiver. Period.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

With just 30 seconds left (anything under a minute really) and passing far as you can hoping your player comes down with is a Hail Mary....lets be real people..

just because it wasn't called a hail mary in the huddle doesn't mean it was not..

Thanks for explaining to a tea..perfect...a 30 second 70 yard heave ?

Why it matters either way baffles me, the Ravens won and that matters most

Also if you didn't know Jacoby was not to run a go route but hew saw Flacco in trouble and took off thus the "heave" for a hail mary pass.



Dude, you need to stop. The indy is coming out in you. LOL!

So let's say there is 12 minutes left in the game, Flacco gets flushed from the pocket and finds an open JJ for the 70 yard TD. Get over it. It wasn't a Hail Mary, nor was it a desperation throw or a "heave". It was a QB scrambling to avoid the rush and finding an open receiver that got behind the D. Joe has thrown that pass many times. Pretty good arm, huh? LOL!
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

that pass is what i call the real "Flaccoing", it will go down is one of the greatest plays
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

please dont name the play! i know the "flacco fling" sounds cute but only corny fan bases name plays and games (steelers, cowboys, raiders) i prefer to call it "the ravens go into denver and beat the heavily favored broncos and their HOF quarterback even though no one outside of baltimore gave us a chance." not as catchy, but i like it better
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