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The Hail Mary/Flacco Fling

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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1358178539' post='1311481']
No Hail Mary on the Bronco Buster
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Bronco Buster/ Flacco Fling are both appropriate to me. Good job
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Who cares? ... Is it really that big of a freaking deal?[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Gawd.[/i][/font]
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358194438' post='1312003']
to me any long bomb for a TD with under a minute to either tie or win the game is a hail mary, just because the the receivers didn't line up all on one side before the snap of the ball. The "Hail Mary" got it terms long time ago because of the long high arching of the pass into the waiting hands of a receiver.
does it really matter, not really..
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary_pass

What you[i] think[/i] a Hail Mary is is irrelevant. It was not a Hail Mary.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358188213' post='1311780']
Thanks for explaining to a tea..perfect...a 30 second 70 yard heave ?

Why it matters either way baffles me, the Ravens won and that matters most
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What Russel Wilson threw at the end of the Atlanta / Seahawks game was a hail mary. All of the receivers in the end zone along with almost all of the defensive backs all jumping for the ball. What Flacco threw was a long pass that flew 55 yards in the air, caught at the 20 yard line and ran into the end zone.
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Thanks to the person who got rid of the -1 for me. I didn't intend for the term "hail mary" to be taken as a slight. I simply didn't know what else to call it. Called play or not, from a defensive perspective you have to know the situation. There is less than a minute left and your opponent has to drive 60-70 yards to score a touchdown to tie. A simple all streak play should not beat you deep. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad it worked but I still couldn't believe it. Big ups to Joe for putting that pass on the money. He did really well with his deep balls in that game.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358194438' post='1312003']
to me any long bomb for a TD with under a minute to either tie or win the game is a hail mary, just because the the receivers didn't line up all on one side before the snap of the ball. The "Hail Mary" got it terms long time ago because of the long high arching of the pass into the waiting hands of a receiver.
does it really matter, not really..
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What? If it was named for its arch it would be called a Hail McDonalds. Smh. It is called a hail Mary because you hurl it to heaven and pray to "Mary" (mother of Jesus,[b] that [/b]Mary) that one of your guys will catch it.
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I posted this on an ESPN board where people kept calling it a blown coverage, awful defensive play and refusing to give Flacco any credit.

If anyone sees any flaws with my argument, don't be afraid to let me know.

[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]The reason that this play was successful is 100% because of Joe Flacco. Did Denver's coverage allow the play to occur? Yes it did, and that is the case in nearly 100% of cases where an offensive play is a success. If the defense was mistake-free all game, then you'd have a shut-out. But the offense can confuse, confound, and corrupt a defense and make them make mistakes, which is what happened on that play. [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]Let me explain: On the previous play, Flacco steps up in the pocket, then takes off running for a 7 yard gain up the middle as the pocket broken down around him. He immediately lines his team up and gets a snap off quick, and as the pocket breaks down around him, he makes the very same motion that he did on the previous play, evading the pass rush, stepping up in the pocket, and for a split second he tricks them into thinking he's going to take off running again. This cheats the safety up. That was a mistake on the safety's part, but it was a mistake INDUCED BY THE PLAY OF THE OFFENSE. [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]The scramble on the previous play, followed by what appeared to be another potential scramble, allow the receiver to get open and the safety to guess on the play and misplay the ball when he realized he'd guessed wrong. Flacco throws that ball while running forward to escape a pass rush, which is a very tough throw to make without setting the feet, getting 55 or so yards down field, and it was an incredibly accurate throw, arced perfectly to fall at a high angle into the receiver's arms. [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]Everything about that play and that drive was perfectly executed to allow for a maximum probability of success.[/size][/font][/color]
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All those folks calling the pass a Hail Mary are just trying to minimize Flacco's accomplishment .

Not many QB's could have thrown that pass .Period.
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1358263235' post='1312865']
All those folks calling the pass a Hail Mary are just trying to minimize Flacco's accomplishment .

Not many QB's could have thrown that pass .Period.
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I don't think people realize how hard it is to throw a pass that deep right on the sideline. You can't go anymore left because of the safety. You can't go any more farther (I mean seriously, that's about as far as it can go). You can't have it go left, then its out of bounds. Sure we got a lucky break with the safety, but the throw was absolutely stellar and it worked!
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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Vote for Joe!!! Not enough posts to start a new thread. [/font][/color][url="http://www.nfl.com/performance/2012/REG/19"]http://www.nfl.com/p...nce/2012/REG/19[/url]
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[quote name='imamachinejerk' timestamp='1358267713' post='1312946']
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Vote for Joe!!! Not enough posts to start a new thread. [/font][/color][url="http://www.nfl.com/performance/2012/REG/19"]http://www.nfl.com/p...nce/2012/REG/19[/url]
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No chance Joe wins. What Colin K did was insane!
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If Peyton, Brady or another so-called "elite" QB made that play, they'd be getting all the credit. Because Flacco made the play, it's all about how bad the Broncos played it blah blah blah. The national media is a JOKE.
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[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1358268396' post='1312964']
If Peyton, Brady or another so-called "elite" QB made that play, they'd be getting all the credit. Because Flacco made the play, it's all about how bad the Broncos played it blah blah blah. The national media is a JOKE.
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Ferrari, I know I'll get flamed for this but in all seriousness, look at the play from any other pespective other than that of a Ravens fan. Was the pass a "Hail Mary"?.....in keeping with the true definition of a Hail Mary, no it wasn't. Was it a nice pass? absolutely. Was it a pass that 10-15 other QB's in the league could have made?...I think so. I mean after all it wasn't like the reciever never broke stride and simply walked into the end zone. And was it a nice catch? absolutely. A fine play all the way around. But,.......especially considering the circumstances with less than a minute to play in regulation and the Ravens needing a touchdown to tie, there is no way, no how, that even the most average of d-backs in the NFL should have ever, ever, ever, let a reciever get behind him and allow that catch to be made. As nice of an offensive play as it was, It was 10 times more a horrible play and mistake by the defender.
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Who really cares if it was a Hail Mary or not lol. It tied the game and left the Broncos stunned, they never recovered from that play. When they got the ball back, you could just see that there was something that they had at the beginning of the game that was no longer there after watching the Ravens come back time and time again.
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It's not the first time a DB made an error in the playoffs...I live in Denver and the town has been reeling ...looking for blame...Rahim Moore is among them, but most are calling out Fox's decision to kneel with 31 seconds 2 TO's left....this is the real controversy among donk-fans....most felt they could've drove to a FG position in that time.... like Atlanta did against Seattle...
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[quote name='Uncle Dready' timestamp='1358295539' post='1313605']
It's not the first time a DB made an error in the playoffs...I live in Denver and the town has been reeling ...looking for blame...Rahim Moore is among them, but most are calling out Fox's decision to kneel with 31 seconds 2 TO's left....this is the real controversy among donk-fans....most felt they could've drove to a FG position in that time.... like Atlanta did against Seattle...
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I know this is slightly off topic but I really hope Moore gets cut or possibly traded. I would take him without second thought. He's a talented safety of whom I am fond. I hope he's the goat and they cut him. I really do.
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HAIL MARY passes are thrown into a group of players hoping for a reception, completely different than what happened. Joe was flushed from the pocket, moved forward, and threw to a single receiver who had gotten behind his defender. True, the free safety should have been back there, but in an over head replay that I saw, he appeared to take the wrong angle towards the play, ie: he under-estimated how far Joe could throw. By my numbers, that ball was thrown from 5 yards behind the line, to the 21 yard line. Thats 55+ in the air! As for the "you were lucky" calls by the Raven haters, isn't EVERY successful offensive play a result of exploiting a mistake by the defense? Afterall, thats what good QBs do.............and Flacco should be considered amoung the best finally.
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[quote name='Uncle Dready' timestamp='1358295539' post='1313605']
It's not the first time a DB made an error in the playoffs...I live in Denver and the town has been reeling ...looking for blame...Rahim Moore is among them, but most are calling out Fox's decision to kneel with 31 seconds 2 TO's left....this is the real controversy among donk-fans....most felt they could've drove to a FG position in that time.... like Atlanta did against Seattle...
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On that score I know how you feel. we did the same stupid thing in the Redskins game. Took a knee with like 40 seconds and two timeouts. Did it at the half and at the end to go into OT. I could not figure out why. Still can't.
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1358297015' post='1313633']
On that score I know how you feel. we did the same stupid thing in the Redskins game. Took a knee with like 40 seconds and two timeouts. Did it at the half and at the end to go into OT. I could not figure out why. Still can't.
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To clarify...I HATE the broncos...I've just lived there for a long time....I always take delight in them losing....watching their myopic fans backpedal and make excuses for another loss...and that game Staurday has made me LOVE the Ravens for the time-being....maybe longer...this team has a future.
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1358178539' post='1311481']
No Hail Mary on the Bronco Buster
[/quote] We gotta add that to the vote for name of best play. I did not even think of this one and it describes what happened perfectly. I will now call it " Da Bronco Bustin' F Bomb" ... Classic !! Flacco Bomb =F Bomb for all yous that did not know. Go vote on the homepage..http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Poll-What-To-Name-Jacoby%E2%80%99s-Touchdown/00f00be5-48fd-4728-920b-37b1105fcddb
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