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The Hail Mary/Flacco Fling

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I find it hard to believe nobody else has started a thread on this. I can't recall any game tying\winning drive that was made to look easier than that one. Scramble for 5 yards and then chuck it 70+ for a TD. How many death threats has Rahim Moore gotten you think?
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When did we throw a Hail Mary? What I saw was Jacoby beat his defender and Joe used his arm to hit him. There was no Hail Mary. A Hail Mary doesn't entail hitting a receiver on the sidelines en route.

As for Moore. He'll get some hate but I see a lot of people sticking up for him on their message boards. He's not the only one that made a mistake. Its just like Evans/Cundiff for us last year.
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That play really wasn't a Hail Mary type of play, at least not in my eyes. That was a great deep ball play.


Hail Mary plays are the type of plays where the QB throws it towards the end-zone and hopes one of their receivers catches it (Seattle at the end of the 4th most notably).
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it's sad of people, but i'm sure he'll receive a lot of hate.

but the hail mary is somewhat of a misnomer, it was only 3rd and 3, most people were probably expecting a short pass including Moore
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We did not throw any Hail Mary to beat the Broncos. Jones beat his man and managed to get behind both defenders. Joe saw him and hit his receiver with a pass that traveled 60 yards in the air. Jones ran into the end zone.

A Hail Mary is a bunch of receivers & defenders together in or very near the end zone and the QB tosses up the ball, crossing his fingers that one of his guys can come down with it.
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If that was a hail Mary than nearly half of the balls that Torrey has caught were hail Marys. I thought a hail Mary was more an unaimed desperation throw into a pack of players bearing prayers that someone with the right jersey catches it. That throw to JJ was well aimed, well thrown and fairly precise. Jones barely had to adjust for it to fall into his cradled arms.
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It definitely wasn't a Hail Mary, even Jones said so because there was an actual play call for what happened.

As for Rahim Moore, he happened to get beat on one critical play, and if some so-called "fans" are going to be low enough as to make death threats, then they really need to stop watching the game.
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With just 30 seconds left (anything under a minute really) and passing far as you can hoping your player comes down with is a Hail Mary....lets be real people..

just because it wasn't called a hail mary in the huddle doesn't mean it was not..
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[quote name='theblackdog' timestamp='1358179155' post='1311508']
It definitely wasn't a Hail Mary, even Jones said so because there was an actual play call for what happened.

As for Rahim Moore, he happened to get beat on one critical play, and if some so-called "fans" are going to be low enough as to make death threats, then they really need to stop watching the game.
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switch the outcomes and this board would be doing the same thing.
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Another reason to hate that Mark Kiszla guy. Writes an article about Moore and made tweets about how it was the worst play by a Bronco ever and dwelled on it.

[url="http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_22364246/mark-kiszla-rahim-moore-taking-blame"]http://www.denverpos...re-taking-blame[/url]
[quote]Loser won't be the worst name Broncos safety Rahim Moore will be called after committing the biggest orange-and-blue blunder in team history.[/quote]

This guy is such a media joke. He takes too much of a 'fan' approach. There were many things wrong with Denver than just this one play. Its a tough play for a Safety when a QB can make that throw. It isn't something they are used to tracking. He thought he had the right break on the ball, but didn't. It happens to many safeties in the league.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358179273' post='1311519']
switch the outcomes and this board would be doing the same thing.
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Going back to last year, we did. But we also had a lot of fans that stuck up for the players (and realized that it was a team loss).
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358177973' post='1311450']
When did we throw a Hail Mary? What I saw was Jacoby beat his defender and Joe used his arm to hit him. There was no Hail Mary. A Hail Mary doesn't entail hitting a receiver on the sidelines en route.

As for Moore. He'll get some hate but I see a lot of people sticking up for him on their message boards. He's not the only one that made a mistake. Its just like Evans/Cundiff for us last year.
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I live out here in Denver, Moore is getting killed in the media out here, especially on talk radio. But, they also turn around and say that "Flacco didn't make one damn read all game, he only has one play!!!" I honestly just heard that on the way in to work this morning. They may not be rational, but they are all over Moore out here.

Listening to the local media around here is by far the best part of this for me. I normally don't get into this kind of stuff, but the level of disrespect shown out here was nuts. I will sum it up by paraphrasing Conan The Barbarian: "What is best in life?" "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their sports guys" ;)
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[quote name='Mick0311' timestamp='1358180490' post='1311569']
I live out here in Denver, [b]Moore is getting killed in the media out here[/b], especially on talk radio. But, they also turn around and say that "Flacco didn't make one damn read all game, he only has one play!!!" I honestly just heard that on the way in to work this morning. They may not be rational, but they are all over Moore out here.

Listening to the local media around here is by far the best part of this for me. I normally don't get into this kind of stuff, but the level of disrespect shown out here was nuts. I will sum it up by paraphrasing Conan The Barbarian: "What is best in life?" "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their sports guys" ;)
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I have no doubts he is getting bashed. There is probably a lot of talk about how the Broncos had to face the Ravens/refs, and how Denver beat Denver as well. etc. We do the same thing after a loss.

But a rational, objective person knows that neither Moore's one play, or the refs were a culmination of everything that occurred on the field. Manning was bad at times, pass protection broke down as the game went on (loss of Moreno hurt), they couldn't muster up a pass rush, they went conservative, missed a kick, etc. etc. etc.
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I think that play had a little to do with the thin air and wind direction. I believe the wind was at Flacco's back. Moore thought the ball was going to land shorter than it did, and if you notice, the corner back thought it would be short as well. The ball just hung a little bit Moore than it should have :banana1:
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[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1358181295' post='1311589']
I think that play had a little to do with the thin air and wind direction. I[b] believe the wind was at Flacco's back[/b]. Moore thought the ball was going to land shorter than it did, and if you notice, the corner back thought it would be short as well. The ball just hung a little bit Moore than it should have :banana1:
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It was. Was also the same direction for the OT kick. That little back wind helped us on two crucial plays.
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This was not a Hail Mary. A Hail Mary is throwing the ball into a crowd and hoping your guys catches it. Flacco threw it to Jones in stride after Jones beat TWO broncos. Remember, Denver still had to defend the intermediate pass at that time.

Rahim Moore made a critical mistake. But the guy I blame more is John Fox. Making your Hall Of Fame QB who is having a MVP season take a knee with 31 seconds left and some timeouts is unforgivable. Isn't that the whole reason they dumped Tebow for Manning? Matt Ryan proved yesterday 25 seconds is more than enough time to get into field goal range.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358180758' post='1311573']
I have no doubts he is getting bashed. There is probably a lot of talk about how the Broncos had to face the Ravens/refs, and how Denver beat Denver as well. etc. We do the same thing after a loss.

But a rational, objective person knows that neither Moore's one play, or the refs were a culmination of everything that occurred on the field. Manning was bad at times, pass protection broke down as the game went on (loss of Moreno hurt), they couldn't muster up a pass rush, they went conservative, missed a kick, etc. etc. etc.
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Perhaps they will trade us Moore. I would love to have Rahim Moore. Perhaps we can get him for a 7th? I'll trade them Cody for Moore.
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[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1358181295' post='1311589']
I think that play had a little to do with the thin air and wind direction. I believe the wind was at Flacco's back. Moore thought the ball was going to land shorter than it did, and if you notice, the corner back thought it would be short as well. The ball just hung a little bit Moore than it should have :banana1:
[/quote] Maybe, but Joe said he saw the safety playing flat and that's why he threw it. That's what you do as a quarterback. You exploit the mistakes in coverage.
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[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1358181906' post='1311604']
Maybe, but Joe said he saw the safety playing flat and that's why he threw it. That's what you do as a quarterback. You exploit the mistakes in coverage.
[/quote]Fine by me. No complaints here
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1358181648' post='1311600']
Perhaps they will trade us Moore. I would love to have Rahim Moore. Perhaps we can get him for a 7th? I'll trade them Cody for Moore.
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I'll take Moore with 7th pick........

I think sore losers would call it a Hail Mary when we have 2 timeouts and 30s left which is alot of time left on the board, additionally with 3rd and 2. They just can't accept the fact that strong arm Joe cool beat them with his deep pass all night long...

PS: Evans and Cundiff lost us AFC championship last year, but I wasn't all crazy to call their heads, just snuck in corner and cry for the unfortunate.....
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a "Hail Mary" pass is a last minute desperation thing. Joe's pass to Jacoby wasn't that imo.

~Mili
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358181610' post='1311598']
It was. Was also the same direction for the OT kick. That little back wind helped us on two crucial plays.
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Pretty sure it helped both of Holliday's returns as well, though.

Kicking left to right Tucker was only getting the ball a couple of yards deep in to the endzone. Right to left he was pinging it through the uprights on kickoffs.
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Calling that play a Hail Mary is doing a great disservice to both Flacco and Jones. It was a fantastic play by Jones coupled with a perfect deep pass from Flacco. Of course there was a tad bit of luck and it was capitalizing on Moore's error but calling it a hail mary makes it seem like Joe just put it up and hoped.
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[quote name='theblackdog' timestamp='1358179155' post='1311508']
It definitely wasn't a Hail Mary, even Jones said so because there was an actual play call for what happened.

As for Rahim Moore, he happened to get beat on one critical play, and if some so-called "fans" are going to be low enough as to make death threats, then they really need to stop watching the game.
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I also don't think people are giving Jacoby enough credit for his route and how it played into beating Moore. In Cam's offense our players are coached to "beat the ball to the spot" (direct quote from Harbaugh). As fans, we tend to think Joe is underthrowing the receivers or throwing the ball late, but it turns out that's what they're supposed to do. I also once heard Joe say that he throws those contested sideline throws on purpose. He throws the ball down field directly at the back of the defender's head so he even if he has position he can't locate it (a la the 32-yarder to Torrey over Bailey). Back on topic, Jacoby burned by Carter and then slowed down for about 4 strides. In my opinion, that 4 stride decrease in speed is what fooled Moore who already didn't think Joe could make the throw he made. I think it was the thin air, plus underestimation of Joe's ability (thank you media), plus Jacoby's route running, plus a rookie trying to do too much in a critical situation that led to that play.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358179176' post='1311511']
With just 30 seconds left (anything under a minute really) and passing far as you can hoping your player comes down with is a Hail Mary....lets be real people..

just because it wasn't called a hail mary in the huddle doesn't mean it was not..
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Lets be real? Watch the replays. There eas nothing hail mary about that. Joe saw a lapse in coverage and planted the ball right where it needed to be for Jacoby to catch it. It was a long passing play, not a hail mary at all. You are the one who needs to be real. There was no desperation in it, and no mindless lob into the endzone.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358179273' post='1311519']
switch the outcomes and this board would be doing the same thing.
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One would certainly hope not. It's distressing to see (unless it's Cary Williams getting beat AGAIN :) )

And while Kiszla is certainly a tool, it would have been nice last week to see a little bit of "fan-mentality" loyalty from our own Sun and WNST reporters, none of whom gave us a chance.
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[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1358182882' post='1311649']
Pretty sure it helped both of Holliday's returns as well, though.

Kicking left to right Tucker was only getting the ball a couple of yards deep in to the endzone. Right to left he was pinging it through the uprights on kickoffs.
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This is true. Whenever either side was kicking left to right you could see the difference. Both of Holliday's returns were of the left to right kick variety. The wind wasn't much. But in a cold weather game, it seemed to have a slight factor.

I was happy when the quarter ended and we were going to have a shot kicking the FG in the right direction.
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[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1358178009' post='1311452']
That play really wasn't a Hail Mary type of play, at least not in my eyes. That was a great deep ball play.

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This. Hail Marys are desperation. Joe knew exactly what he was doing.
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1358182379' post='1311626']
a "Hail Mary" pass is a last minute desperation thing. Joe's pass to Jacoby wasn't that imo.

~Mili
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Thanks for explaining to a tea..perfect...a 30 second 70 yard heave ?

Why it matters either way baffles me, the Ravens won and that matters most
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358188213' post='1311780']
Thanks for explaining to a tea..perfect...a 30 second 70 yard heave ?

Why it matters either way baffles me, the Ravens won and that matters most
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LOL

a heave? It wasn't a heave. It was placed nearly perfect into Jacoby's hands. He slowed down one step to receive it. It matters because it completely discounts Jacoby's route running ability that allowed him to get behind two defenders, and Flacco's deep pass capability, the read he made to see Jacoby had beaten the coverage, and the accuracy of the pass. Hail Mary's are made with no aim and are followed by a prayer. Both Jones and Flacco knew exactly what they were doing.
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Moore gets the same raw deal Bill Buckner got. The Red Sox made numerous mistakes in that game but everybody only remembers the ball through the legs. It's not fair but that's how it unfolds.

But I do like The Flacco Fling. It was in a local paper and I like the ring to it. Flacco has the strongest arm in the league and he should have a name for it when he hits one of our burners DEEP.
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1358188411' post='1311781']
LOL

a heave? It wasn't a heave. It was placed nearly perfect into Jacoby's hands. He slowed down one step to receive it. It matters because it completely discounts Jacoby's route running ability that allowed him to get behind two defenders, and Flacco's deep pass capability, the read he made to see Jacoby had beaten the coverage, and the accuracy of the pass. Hail Mary's are made with no aim and are followed by a prayer. Both Jones and Flacco knew exactly what they were doing.
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Also if you didn't know Jacoby was not to run a go route but hew saw Flacco in trouble and took off thus the "heave" for a hail mary pass.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358188542' post='1311789']


Also if you didn't know Jacoby was not to run a go route but hew saw Flacco in trouble and took off thus the "heave" for a hail mary pass.
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Please. It's not a hail mary, not even close. Call it a heave if you want, but it was a damn accurate heave meant for one player and it worked to perfection.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1358188863' post='1311795']


Please. It's not a hail mary, not even close. Call it a heave if you want, but it was a damn accurate heave meant for one player and it worked to perfection.
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The offensive play call was not Hail Mary. I have never seen a hail Mary where you are counting on one guy for a catch. Plus to hit a guy on the sideline is skill that deep.

Russell Wilson threw a hail Mary attempt yesterday. You can plainly see a difference. Atlanta even put Julio in to guard against it.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358188542' post='1311789']
Also if you didn't know Jacoby was not to run a go route but hew saw Flacco in trouble and took off thus the "heave" for a hail mary pass.
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Dude, no. You're wrong, you know you're wrong so just stop.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw9Po9eh4M8[/media]

THAT'S a Hail Mary. Wilson threw in the general direction of the end-zone and hoped one of his guys would catch it. A Hail Mary is defeined by the low, low chance of success and the only being able to run that one last play. The Ravens had another down and three yards with 30 seconds on the clock. Flacco knew exactly where he was throwing it and was aiming for a specific receiver. Period.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358179176' post='1311511']
With just 30 seconds left (anything under a minute really) and passing far as you can hoping your player comes down with is a Hail Mary....lets be real people..

just because it wasn't called a hail mary in the huddle doesn't mean it was not..
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358188213' post='1311780']


Thanks for explaining to a tea..perfect...a 30 second 70 yard heave ?

Why it matters either way baffles me, the Ravens won and that matters most
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358188542' post='1311789']


Also if you didn't know Jacoby was not to run a go route but hew saw Flacco in trouble and took off thus the "heave" for a hail mary pass.
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Dude, you need to stop. The indy is coming out in you. LOL!

So let's say there is 12 minutes left in the game, Flacco gets flushed from the pocket and finds an open JJ for the 70 yard TD. Get over it. It wasn't a Hail Mary, nor was it a desperation throw or a "heave". It was a QB scrambling to avoid the rush and finding an open receiver that got behind the D. Joe has thrown that pass many times. Pretty good arm, huh? LOL!
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A poster has already been made of it!

[url="http://www.prinstantreplays.com/collections/homepage/products/flacco-fling"]Link[/url]
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please dont name the play! i know the "flacco fling" sounds cute but only corny fan bases name plays and games (steelers, cowboys, raiders) i prefer to call it "the ravens go into denver and [u]beat[/u] the heavily favored broncos and their HOF quarterback even though no one outside of baltimore gave us a chance." not as catchy, but i like it better
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1358188213' post='1311780']
Thanks for explaining to a tea..perfect...a 30 second 70 yard heave ?

Why it matters either way baffles me, the Ravens won and that matters most
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A Hail Mary is a last-second desperation throw into the endzone, like the Seahawks' final play yesterday. Its called a Hail Mary because you have to say a prayer to complete it.

A deep pass late in the game is not the same thing as a Hail Mary. A Hail Mary is a late deep passes, but not every late deep pass is a Hail Mary.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358177973' post='1311450']
When did we throw a Hail Mary? What I saw was Jacoby beat his defender and Joe used his arm to hit him. There was no Hail Mary. A Hail Mary doesn't entail hitting a receiver on the sidelines en route.

As for Moore. He'll get some hate but I see a lot of people sticking up for him on their message boards. He's not the only one that made a mistake. Its just like Evans/Cundiff for us last year.
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Except they both were cut? lol
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[quote name='ckgeisl' timestamp='1358192395' post='1311927']
C'mon guys really? He "launched it as long as he could throw it..period. It was not over the shoulder catch on the dead run.....It was a very very poor play on Denver , especially under 3rd and 7 at their own 30 yard line. Even though the safty misplayed it, he stll had plenty of time to get back and either knock it down or even intercept it....c'mon he made the worst play on the ball that was NOT thrown long enough and the reciever was back peddling and caught a basket catch. Having said that, Flacco threw it and ya'll got the touchdown. Another point was the 60 yarder that he threw at least 7 -9 yards short and your reciever made a great adjustment on the ball and defender and whala...another touchdown. If he would have hit him over the shoulder in stride , thats another story. Once again another touchdown. If Joe keeps throwing like that he will be burned eventually. Nearly perfect pass....really???? That being said you are playing the worst defense out of the final 4 and have a great chance to get to the big dance......if Flacco keeps playing well.
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[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1358183673' post='1311672']


I also don't think people are giving Jacoby enough credit for his route and how it played into beating Moore. In Cam's offense our players are coached to "beat the ball to the spot" (direct quote from Harbaugh). As fans, we tend to think Joe is underthrowing the receivers or throwing the ball late, but it turns out that's what they're supposed to do. I also once heard Joe say that he throws those contested sideline throws on purpose. He throws the ball down field directly at the back of the defender's head so he even if he has position he can't locate it (a la the 32-yarder to Torrey over Bailey). Back on topic, Jacoby burned by Carter and then slowed down for about 4 strides. In my opinion, that 4 stride decrease in speed is what fooled Moore who already didn't think Joe could make the throw he made. I think it was the thin air, plus underestimation of Joe's ability (thank you media), plus Jacoby's route running, plus a rookie trying to do too much in a critical situation that led to that play.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1358189685' post='1311822']
Dude, you need to stop. The indy is coming out in you. LOL!

So let's say there is 12 minutes left in the game, Flacco gets flushed from the pocket and finds an open JJ for the 70 yard TD. Get over it. It wasn't a Hail Mary, nor was it a desperation throw or a "heave". It was a QB scrambling to avoid the rush and finding an open receiver that got behind the D. Joe has thrown that pass many times. Pretty good arm, huh? LOL!
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to me any long bomb for a TD with under a minute to either tie or win the game is a hail mary, just because the the receivers didn't line up all on one side before the snap of the ball. The "Hail Mary" got it terms long time ago because of the long high arching of the pass into the waiting hands of a receiver.
does it really matter, not really..
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I'm still in a state of shock over one of the greatest games I have ever or will ever see.

No Hail Mary ,but we are destined to win it all !
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358179471' post='1311528']
Another reason to hate that Mark Kiszla guy. Writes an article about Moore and made tweets about how it was the worst play by a Bronco ever and dwelled on it.

[url="http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_22364246/mark-kiszla-rahim-moore-taking-blame"]http://www.denverpos...re-taking-blame[/url]


This guy is such a media joke. He takes too much of a 'fan' approach. There were many things wrong with Denver than just this one play. Its a tough play for a Safety when a QB can make that throw. It isn't something they are used to tracking. He thought he had the right break on the ball, but didn't. It happens to many safeties in the league.
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I love how he uses a head shot from 20 years ago at the top of his articles.
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A long bomb for a TD is just that - a long bomb for a TD. A Hail Mary is a desperate pass to numerous receivers waiting in the end zone with nary a chance for success that players pray will work, thus the name of the play......a Hail Mary. I'm not sure what about that is so hard to understand. Perhaps not seeing the Colts score a single touchdown in their last game has made you forget what one looks like? :268213:
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Why people keep calling this a Hail Mary I don't know. Joe knew the route Jacoby was running, and plain and simple Jacoby had his man beat - now it's obvious that if the Denver corner had been doing his job correctly he would have been in good position to either break up the pass or at least stop Jacoby from scoring, but he wasn't - same thing happened last year in Pittsburgh when Ryan Clark got out of position and Joe found Torrey in the endzone.
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Joe put up these passes all night! Especially against Champ to put points on the board. They were not expecting Jacoby deep after the drop on 3rd down. Flacco seen it and Jacoby got it. Maybe they expected another throw and got beat by the unexpected.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358179471' post='1311528']
Another reason to hate that Mark Kiszla guy. Writes an article about Moore and made tweets about how it was the worst play by a Bronco ever and dwelled on it.

[url="http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_22364246/mark-kiszla-rahim-moore-taking-blame"]http://www.denverpos...re-taking-blame[/url]


This guy is such a media joke. He takes too much of a 'fan' approach. There were many things wrong with Denver than just this one play. Its a tough play for a Safety when a QB can make that throw. It isn't something they are used to tracking. He thought he had the right break on the ball, but didn't. It happens to many safeties in the league.
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Up here in Canada we call those kinds of guys "plugs" lol.
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