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Why has he been so useless? I've paid attention to him several times for a few games now. He gets blown off the ball consistently, doesnt shed blocks, and is never getting penetration or even plugging holes. For anyone that re-watches the Denver game, notice how we get gashed in the run game with Cody on the field.

Eventually in the second half, we just didnt see any more Cody and Kemoeatu played a lot of snaps. For those who may know, is Cody just out of shape and lazy, or is he trying and just isnt that good? He has seriously done nothing.

No one this big should get dominated like he does.
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It was a bad idea for him to lose weight to become an every-down player.

When he came into the league, he was a big 360 lb, not 340 lb, two-down run stuffing nose tackle and nothing else.
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[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1358154805' post='1311261']
It was a bad idea for him to lose weight to become an every-down player.

When he came into the league, he was a big 360 lb, not 340 lb, two-down run stuffing nose tackle and nothing else.
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I heard he is fairly athletic (can dunk a basketball), but even at 340, with conditioning in the NFL, shouldnt he be strong and powerful? 340 is massive and if he's actually in shape, how does he get blown off the line?
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I can only assume technique. I've noticed his under-performance all year as well. I really expected him to improve this year, but we'll see if he shows up in the last two games. He's a gamer.
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Eh, the kid's got the body and he's got the work ethic, he's not dogging it out there..he just can't seem to get down how to throw his (considerable) weight around. I hope it clicks for him soon, though.
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Not to make excuses for Cody but NT is not glamorous work. Often his job is to allow the LB and other D-lineman to shine. He hasn't looked his best for sure but for most of the year, neither did the rest of our defense. I have noticed that we are getting more pressure on the QB as of late (That'd be you PK)and I think picking up Kemoateau at the start of the season was crucial. I think he and the defense as a whole will dial it up a notch against the Pats, though.
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Well... It isn't easy to throw a 300 pound person around. Especially when taking double teams, I don't get too upset about it because he doesn't quit on plays, he keeps going out there and trying to make plays. Giving all he's got is all I really want from him
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I think he lost too much weight. I'm pretty sure they were asking him to play at a weight he never did in college, and it's affecting him. Maybe we're expecting more out of him than we should. Most draft sites had him graded as a two-down player coming out, so perhaps expecting that he'll ever be more than that is wishful thinking. Besides, as a nose tackle his main job is to stuff the run and command double teams, be a space-eater. Again, maybe we're either asking him to do too much or he's trying to do too much. I think another problem with a lot of people in general is we're too quick to make comparisons - sometimes I think it's too easy to look at an athletic freak like Ngata, see what he can do, and somehow expect some of it to rub off on a player like Cody.

Specifically in the Denver game, you have to also keep in mind that Denver has a very good o-line, and most players won't play their best when matched up against the best.
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[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1358158732' post='1311270']
Eh, the kid's got the body and he's got the work ethic, he's not dogging it out there..he just can't seem to get down how to throw his (considerable) weight around. I hope it clicks for him soon, though.
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Don't know about his physical strength, but if you watch him his technique is terrible. The guy plays high, and the Olinemen get under him drive him backward constantly.
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Hes not a true space eater anymore. He doesnt have the lower body explosion or core strength to not get drive up. I think he can get better, but I dont know if hes ever going to be dominant. Brandon McKinney would be SOOOO much better then Cody. He didnt offer much pass rush, but he was a GOOD runstuffer. RIGHT NOW... Cody isnt either.
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Cody does nothing well. Can't eat space, cant make plays in the run game, can't touch the QB. I think he was rated the second worst d-lineman according to profootball focus.
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Poor technique and lack of strength.

He plays to high and line men can get under him and drive him up and back. He's too slow of the line, so linemen get the explosion and first hit.

He's also a fat 340, whereas wilfork for example is a fat bellied but extremely strong 340 that plays with good technique
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I saw Ngata line up at NT quite a bunch, I wouldn't be shocked if Cody was released in off season or we use a high draft pick on a NT...or if we go to a 4-3 since Ray is retiring
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The coaches wouldn't be playing Cody if they didn't think he was being at least somewhat effective, so there's that I guess... we don't see the tape that the coaches see, and maybe it's Cody's job to eat up blocks for Ray and Ellerbe, which would mean less stats. I thought coming out of Bama that he'd be a force, but he's still young, and if he's willing to work hard, I think he can be a good player moving forward.
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As a NT if you can't match the acceleration and hand speed of the olinemen you have to be able to drop anchor and absorb the hits, otherwise you're just taking up room on the roster.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1358173176' post='1311349']
As a NT if you can't match the acceleration and hand speed of the olinemen you have to be able to drop anchor and absorb the hits, otherwise you're just taking up room on the roster.
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At least he's useful somewhat...
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1358170330' post='1311313']
I saw Ngata line up at NT quite a bunch, I wouldn't be shocked if Cody was released in off season or we use a high draft pick on a NT...or if we go to a 4-3 since Ray is retiring
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We're never truly going to have a 3-4 or 4-3. We play so much of both. We still don't have 4-3 backers. Or DEs for that.

As far as cody. He actually gained weight back and didn't condition. He was effective last year as a 2 down player, but with his poor conditioning he wears too easily.
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I remember some of us lambasting the guy when we drafted him. The same issues exist as they did on draft day. He's got the size but no strength. I know its doesn't mean much but I think he put up 22 reps of 225 on the bench press (Did not perform at combine).

When you have a guy that size who's mobility or moves is not what you drafted him for. His strength is key. If not, he'll just get pushed around and be ineffective. Without the strength, he won't demand the double teams and eat up blockers.
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We'll need to draft another talented NT in the draft somewhere in later rounds.

Getting rid of Gregg Kelly, then Redding, then replacing him w/ Cody as a #2 guy didn't really pan out.

I suppose our FO read a little too much on Cody's personality rather than his on-field performances. Who knows.

As of right now, all we can ask for Cody (and Kemo & injured Ngata) is to do as much as they can to contain the run and put a little pressure here and there. The NT position isnt really a glamorous job, but that's really all you can ask of them atm.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1358178529' post='1311480']
We'll need to draft another talented NT in the draft somewhere in later rounds.

Getting rid of Gregg Kelly, then Redding, then replacing him w/ Cody as a #2 guy didn't really pan out.

I suppose our[b] FO read a little too much on Cody's personality[/b] rather than his on-field performances. Who knows.

As of right now, all we can ask for Cody (and Kemo & injured Ngata) is to do as much as they can to contain the run and put a little pressure here and there. The NT position isnt really a glamorous job, but that's really all you can ask of them atm.
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Or that he was from Alabama.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358179148' post='1311507']
Or that he was from Alabama.
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Maybe...Ozzie loves his bama' team ;-p
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Cody was overrated coming out of college. He is not strong enough to be a NT in this league. He got by in college throwing around his weight on weaker competition. That doesn't fly in the NFL. He lacks true strength, and it seems like every play he is getting bullied. His bench press number at his Pro Day were sorry for a NT.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1358179262' post='1311517']
Maybe...Ozzie loves his bama' team ;-p
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I wonder who from Alabama we'll be taking this year.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1358180486' post='1311568']


I wonder who from Alabama we'll be taking this year.
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Jesse
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[quote name='RavensDE' timestamp='1358158618' post='1311269']
I can only assume technique. I've noticed his under-performance all year as well. I really expected him to improve this year, but we'll see if he shows up in the[b] last two games[/b]. He's a gamer.
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I like your thinking...TWO games... :)
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1358179262' post='1311517']
Maybe...Ozzie loves his bama' team ;-p
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In his defense, it's not like Bama has a dearth of talent.
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[quote name='BenMir' timestamp='1358181254' post='1311587']

Jesse
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The kid has unrivalled weight room and game strength. Near impossible to move.
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I really wish we had McBean. It really sucks he broke his leg. I think he'll be brought back next year.
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I think Cody losing weight, has had an adverse effect on his play similar to Ngata last year when he went from 340 to 320 ( didn't really get as much push, and nagging injuries ).

All year both Cody & Kemo have underperformed IMO. I have seen both of them driven back by O-lineman all year, neither one of them clog the middle, or shed blocks consistently well.

Kemo has been pathetic at times with how bad he gets washed out, then Cody may come in for 2 plays before he's gasping for air.

Cody should really get with the strength and conditioning coaches, he still lacks those massive powerful arms. He looks like a big guy that barely picks up a weight.
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[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1358229306' post='1312621']
I think Cody losing weight, has had an adverse effect on his play similar to Ngata last year when he went from 340 to 320 ( didn't really get as much push, and nagging injuries ).

All year both Cody & Kemo have underperformed IMO. I have seen both of them driven back by O-lineman all year, neither one of them clog the middle, or shed blocks consistently well.

Kemo has been pathetic at times with how bad he gets washed out, then Cody may come in for 2 plays before he's gasping for air.

Cody should really get with the strength and conditioning coaches, he still lacks those massive powerful arms. He looks like a big guy that barely picks up a weight.
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It's not his arms he has to work on most; it's his core and lower body.
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Every time one of you smart-alecks get on me for Mike Adams having a rough rookie year, I'm going just simply say "moobs".
I wanted Carlos Dunlap. Instead we ended up with Kindle and Ton Of Fun Cody
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1358235070' post='1312671']
Every time one of you smart-alecks get on me for Mike Adams having a rough rookie year, I'm going just simply say "moobs".
I wanted Carlos Dunlap. Instead we ended up with Kindle and Ton Of Fun Cody
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Hahahahahhaha! Didn't you wan Adams in the first though?
I still think there is hope for Cody. Basically, he needs to eat AND CRUSH the WEIGHT ROOM. He's at an age where he can get MUCH stronger. Lets hope he can do it. He's actually pretty agile.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1358170330' post='1311313']
I saw Ngata line up at NT quite a bunch, I wouldn't be shocked if Cody was released in off season or we use a high draft pick on a NT...or if we go to a 4-3 since Ray is retiring
[/quote]We'll stay in a 3-4 with McClain and Ellerbe playing so well. But I can definitely see us going DT in the draft. Oh how I miss the days of Gregg. That dude was the epitome of a player you want fighting in the trenches.
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[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1358250538' post='1312745']
We'll stay in a 3-4 with McClain and Ellerbe playing so well. But I can definitely see us going DT in the draft. Oh how I miss the days of Gregg. That dude was the epitome of a player you want fighting in the trenches.
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Buddy L was under appreciated here much like JJ. I miss him too.
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[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1358250538' post='1312745']
We'll stay in a 3-4 with McClain and Ellerbe playing so well. But I can definitely see us going DT in the draft. Oh how I miss the days of Gregg. That dude was the epitome of a player you want fighting in the trenches.
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This is why Ngata has been ineffective. He doesn't have a NT next to him who can get some of the pressure. He is trying to get guys who run through the middle when our NT gets blown up.
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For all the people that said he lost weight this offeseason are wrong. He lost all that weight in 2011, and in 2012 he claimed to put on some more muscle. I am more confused to how someone puts on muscle, and looks like he got weaker. I mean teams are just trampling him all the time, and most of the time it seems to be one guy. I am really not worried about his pass rush ability for DT that was drafted to stuff the run, but in reality he can't hold his own against one guy forget two.
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[quote name='krrock10' timestamp='1358169130' post='1311301']
Cody does nothing well. Can't eat space, cant make plays in the run game, can't touch the QB. I think he was rated the second worst d-lineman according to profootball focus.
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Cody is rated quite decently by PFF. Kemo is the problem. He had the second worst run stop % among DT's (Cody was 5th highest) when they put up an article about it earlier this season.

Do people not know that Cody is 62, a huge black man, and Kemo is 96, a huge islander? I really don't get the constant bashing. He's far and away the better NT on the team.
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1358296319' post='1313616']


Cody is rated quite decently by PFF. Kemo is the problem. He had the second worst run stop % among DT's (Cody was 5th highest) when they put up an article about it earlier this season.

Do people not know that Cody is 62, a huge black man, and Kemo is 96, a huge islander? I really don't get the constant bashing. He's far and away the better NT on the team.
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I agree to an extent. I don't think Kemo was our first choice. I really believe McBean was the first choice due to his pass-rushing skills. I think the Ravens wanted to rotate between those two players (Cody & McBean) but the broken leg really messed up our plans. I hope/believe McBean will return next year.

I don't think Cody can be a 3-down NT like Wilfork. I think McBean was intended to be that 3rd down guy. I think Cody lacks the endurance to hold up and that's his biggest issue.
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I'm still holding out hope for him. He hasn't been awful. Just not very useful in the passing game and okay in the run game. Maybe something about the change of defensive coordinators did it. I know a lot of our guys looked bad at the beginning of the year because they were used wrong or whatnot. Cody hasn't caught up to Ellerbe's and Kruger's explosions onto the scene. But there's plenty of room for improvement with him.

Also, the nike shirts make him look fat. So that's a factor as well.
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[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1358297918' post='1313647']
I'm still holding out hope for him. He hasn't been awful. Just not very useful in the passing game and okay in the run game. Maybe something about the change of defensive coordinators did it. I know a lot of our guys looked bad at the beginning of the year because they were used wrong or whatnot. Cody hasn't caught up to Ellerbe's and Kruger's explosions onto the scene. But there's plenty of room for improvement with him.

Also, the nike shirts make him look fat. So that's a factor as well.
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The fact of the matter is Cody is going nowhere, even if we hate him (I don't think anyone actually hates him). I think people are just frustrated he is not further along than expected or hoped. I think Cody still has talent, he just needs to get on the field. I don't think he can be an every down NT. I think he can be a good 1st or 2nd down NT, though. He offers nothing in terms of pass rush, but if you're not asking him to do that then perhaps that's OK.

He'll get tendered and be here next year. I'll be surprised if he's not.
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Cody just looks bad out there. His body looks like he just takes those diet pills and doesn't work out. He really needs to improve this off-season. Right now I'm not impressed.
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In Cody's defence NT is one of the hardest positions for young players to adjust to in the NFL and usually NTs need more time to develop and usually get better with age - I cannot think of many 34 NT who have done brilliant early on (other than Ngata, Wilfork and maybe Phil Taylor if he was not injured), if there are any more please bring up. There are a ton of non producers though (ex. Gabe Watson, Dan Williams, Justin Harrell, etc.) I think he has done ok, not spectacular. He is purely a run stuffing guy and if he can begin taking on double teams more effectively he will have a huge role. I think we are a situational defense now and we will be rotating packages alot so I do think he fits the scheme rather nicely.
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[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1358317295' post='1313917']
In Cody's defence NT is one of the hardest positions for young players to adjust to in the NFL and usually NTs need more time to develop and usually get better with age - I cannot think of many 34 NT who have done brilliant early on (other than Ngata, Wilfork and maybe Phil Taylor if he was not injured), if there are any more please bring up. There are a ton of non producers though (ex. Gabe Watson, Dan Williams, Justin Harrell, etc.) I think he has done ok, not spectacular. He is purely a run stuffing guy and if he can begin taking on double teams more effectively he will have a huge role. I think we are a situational defense now and we will be rotating packages alot so I do think he fits the scheme rather nicely.
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A fair and true point. One I haven't thought of.
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Yea, I remember my cousin talking about how overrated Cody was and to be that big, how weak he was.
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When I'm watching games Kemo always look far worse than Cody. For every one or two plays that Cody is out of position, can't shed block, or doesn't clog a lane, I guarantee Kemo has about 6+ plays or more of the same nature in the same game. I've been wondering since early weeks of the season if they couldn't get Kelly Gregg back, after KC had cut him at some point.
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Honestly, he has just been awful in all aspects. He showed promise when he was heavier and was a simple two down, run stuffing NT. Losing weight has cost Cody tremendously. The Ravens need to spend this entire offseason completely reshaping Cody's body and working on his technique if he has any chance. Otherwise, just cut him loose.
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I was really excited when we drafted Mt. Cody. I was even more excited when he played well his first year. Now , like many others, I am going What the heck???
I think his ego got to big, he thinks he is better than he is playing. I see how cocky he acts in interviews and this has me thinking .. Maybe he needs a mentor?
Maybe he has peaked already. Or is it that he has not been taught the right techniques. Maybe he is not mentally ready for the NFL, and all that comes with it? Is it coaching or the player???
In the end, I believe we will stick with him till his contract runs out.
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[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1358325974' post='1313954']
When I'm watching games Kemo always look far worse than Cody. For every one or two plays that Cody is out of position, can't shed block, or doesn't clog a lane, I guarantee Kemo has about 6+ plays or more of the same nature in the same game. I've been wondering since early weeks of the season if they couldn't get Kelly Gregg back, after KC had cut him at some point.
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Its a shame, but Kelly was done. He was just a stop-gap until they drafted Dontari Poe. I sure would like to see them dig up another Buddy Lee though.
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Lack of penetration and strength has been a problem with the D-line all year! Ngata is playing like a ghost of himself (probably playing hurt) and Cody is just getting man handled. Kemeatu is old but still doing reasonably well. I think we need to sit Cody and play either Art Jones or DeAngelo Tyson every snap!

I can't imagine the reason for this except, lack of strength and conditioning!
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