Merged Postmortem Threads

[Ravnet]

[quote name='b-ravens4ever' post='91533' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:51 PM']Yeah your right. BUT we have alot of people on here dissing and saying "The season's over for us, we're not gonna make it to the superbowl. Hell, we'd be lucky to make it to the playoff's"

Which isnt right. The season isnt over yet. We still have 6 more games. So act like it.
Im not trying to sound rude to any of you on here... but just cut it out. Be positive and stand up, brush off the dirt and get back in there. We'll get the Eagle's next week.[/quote]

While I agree that we have a lot of time left, the loss today isn't going to look any better tomorrow. I'll give you some reasons as to why people are being negative right now, myself included.

-The fact remains that we haven't beaten a single team with a winning record going into week twelve.
-We have the fifth hardest schedule in the NFL ahead of us.
-Our secondary has been decimated by injuries.
-A rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback do not instill confidence.
-Our special teams unit, sans Sam Koch, is flat out awful.

I know that there are two sides to every story, but every single one of those issues contributed to the loss today.

[Bullrush]

We gave up 120 yards on 2 plays. The 40yd run by Jacobs at the beginning was JJ's fault, he looked like a fool on that play. That should have been a tackle for loss. Then you have the 80yd run at the end by Bradshaw when Lewis missed a tackle. Instead of wrapping up he tried to force a fumble.

You take away those 2 plays and the Giants rush for 90 yards today on about 30 carries. Our linebackers looked pathetic today, the D-Line was ok for the most part except they couldn't generate a lot of pass rush. Not sure what the deal is with Suggs.

[PuRock]

[quote name='neepo13' post='91531' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:51 PM']The Giants converted 3rd and long on us quite a bit in critical situations. If I am not mistaken it was a big pass play that set the Giants up inside the 10 yard line on their first TD drive after Jacobs long run, where Fabian Washington blew coverage. When we stack the box against the run, our db's cant hold up if its a pass and against an offensive line like the Giants we have to committ all seven to stop the run. We couldnt do it because of our sorry secondary. With the secondary we have, we either committ to stop the pass or committ to stop the run, we committed to stop the pass. Better players in the secondary and we can continue to committ all seven up front to the run.[/quote]

They did get some big 3rd down pass completions on us. I'm not going to nitpick. I think the overall D was just awful today. They didn't look like a team. They looked like individuals trying to make the big play. Missed tackles and our secondary, are issues.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='91552' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:10 PM']We gave up 120 yards on 2 plays. The 40yd run by Jacobs at the beginning was JJ's fault, he looked like a fool on that play. That should have been a tackle for loss. Then you have the 80yd run at the end by Bradshaw when Lewis missed a tackle. Instead of wrapping up he tried to force a fumble.

You take away those 2 plays and the Giants rush for 90 yards today on about 30 carries. Our linebackers looked pathetic today, the D-Line was ok for the most part except they couldn't generate a lot of pass rush. Not sure what the deal is with Suggs.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but I can't stand when people do that. But if you want to play that game, then take away the Ravens touchdown and Ray Lewis' interception. The game would have been even more lopsided.

[SUPERBOWLorBUST]

wow, i think people are a little testie. who cares what threads are about. we're all rooting for the same team. but after a loss, to a good team mind you, everyone wants to jump all over everybody else. just remember, we all bleed purple.

[VA_Fan]

After watching the texans and the giants game I am curious as to what you guys think about Willis being a dynamic back. While I was coaching a local pee wee football team this year I would always tell my boys in the backfield to be hungry, press forward , and look for the hole and shoot through it and if no hole was there, take it outside the pile. It seems to me that Willis depends too much for the straight and narrow and doesn't seem to search for a hole anywhere and if there is no hole, he will just rush for two or three yards.

Now don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Willis but he hasn't diplayed the type of hunger that the other younger guys do. I know the whole 112 or whatever yards rushing aginst the Texans will come into this but I still think that he should have gotten a lot more if he would just had been a little more aggresive.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91560' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:17 PM']I'm sorry, but I can't stand when people do that. But if you want to play that game, then take away the Ravens touchdown and Ray Lewis' interception. The game would have been even more lopsided.[/quote]
What does one thing have to do with the other? The Giants capitalized on 2 fluke plays in the running game and you want to compare that to our touchdown on a drive when we clearly dominated them? You don't make sense.

Those were 2 fluke plays. Jarret messed up on the 40 yard run, he should have been there to make the tackle for a loss. Ray messed up on the 2nd run, he should have made the tackle for a 3-4 yard gain. They didn't. Usually we make those plays, that's why we had the best run defense in football. You make it sound like they outplayed us on those 2 plays. They didn't. We messed up. To say "let's take away our touchdown as well" is just stupid, you act like it was a fluke play. Those 2 runs were fluke plays. Our touchdown drive was not.

[neepo13]

McGahee struggled against the Raiders pretty bad to. People ignored it because he scored and we won but he only averaged like 2 yards per carry in that game to.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='VA_Fan' post='91566' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:30 PM']After watching the texans and the giants game I am curious as to what you guys think about Willis being a dynamic back. While I was coaching a local pee wee football team this year I would always tell my boys in the backfield to be hungry, press forward , and look for the hole and shoot through it and if no hole was there, take it outside the pile. It seems to me that Willis depends too much for the straight and narrow and doesn't seem to search for a hole anywhere and if there is no hole, he will just rush for two or three yards.

Now don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Willis but he hasn't diplayed the type of hunger that the other younger guys do. I know the whole 112 or whatever yards rushing aginst the Texans will come into this but I still think that he should have gotten a lot more if he would just had been a little more aggresive.[/quote]
I have never been a big Willis fan. From what I've seen this season, Ray Rice and LeRon McClain show plenty of promise for our future. Rice can be explosive and McClain is just a bruiser. Ithink they are our future. I've stated in previous posts that we should let Willis go to make room for the salary cap. Having said that, I think Flacco had more rushing yard today then any of them. GO RAVENS Go figure

[Love_Poppa_1]

As for the message board leaving me a message about Joe Flacco getting hurt that was never said, My theme was he will be sacked and pressured period, Now if anyone that can send me where I said, he will be hurt then there mind readers. If anything there was much smack talk to me about the New York Giants not playing anyone ect.

The Baltimore Raven faced a Super Bowl Champoinship Team at our place and as my prior comments on this message board said, Joe Flacco will be a very good quarterback and is gaining valuable experience. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and the rest of the Ravens Defense are not to be talked about because there a great defense but faced a championship offensive line that been through pressure situations and know how to perform.

I love any Miami Hurricanes football players and the Ravens will be competive for years to come but not with a rookie quarterback and inexperience players that never been in this kind of situation. I was telling a cab driver that there havent been a quarterback as a rookie straight out of college to win a Super Bowl Championship in the history of the game. The future is bright for the Baltimore Ravens but its wont be this season and anything other than that is dreaming for a miracle and thats long odds to pray for when your developing a quarterback who wasnt expected to start in training camp.

As for the comment: I told many that we would run the football and 210 yards on the ground prove to be fact, I said, we would pass as we do normally 153 passing and thats call a balance attack.

All thanks to Ravens Fans and hopefully we play again in the near future... Thank you for my time on your message board and good luck the rest of the season.

[neepo13]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' post='91572' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:36 PM']I have never been a big Willis fan. From what I've seen this season, Ray Rice and LeRon McClain show plenty of promise for our future. Rice can be explosive and McClain is just a bruiser. Ithink they are our future. [b]I've stated in previous posts that we should let Willis go to make room for the salary cap.[/b] Having said that, I think Flacco had more rushing yard today then any of them. GO RAVENS Go figure[/quote]

I agree. If Willis continues to play like this he is a waste of space but we are stuck with him because of the bonus we gave him.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='91567' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:32 PM']What does one thing have to do with the other? The Giants capitalized on 2 fluke plays in the running game and you want to compare that to our touchdown on a drive when we clearly dominated them? You don't make sense.

Those were 2 fluke plays. Jarret messed up on the 40 yard run, he should have been there to make the tackle for a loss. Ray messed up on the 2nd run, he should have made the tackle for a 3-4 yard gain. They didn't. Usually we make those plays, that's why we had the best run defense in football. You make it sound like they outplayed us on those 2 plays. They didn't. We messed up. To say "let's take away our touchdown as well" is just stupid, you act like it was a fluke play. Those 2 runs were fluke plays. Our touchdown drive was not.[/quote]

How is breaking through a hole/tackle a fluke? I doubt we'll be the number one rush defense after this week, by the way. My point was that those two plays were arguably their biggest of the day, so why not take away the Ravens two biggest plays as well and see where we stand in the end? Ultimately, everything evens out.

[RavensMan]

He's become injury prone. I think our coaches know that. Ray Rice is our future

[VA_Fan]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' post='91572' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:36 PM']I have never been a big Willis fan. From what I've seen this season, Ray Rice and LeRon McClain show plenty of promise for our future. Rice can be explosive and McClain is just a bruiser. Ithink they are our future. I've stated in previous posts that we should let Willis go to make room for the salary cap. Having said that, I think Flacco had more rushing yard today then any of them. GO RAVENS Go figure[/quote]


I wouldn't go as far as letting him go just yet. Let him sit on the sidelines until he is 100%. I mean he got hurt again today on what looked like a pretty simple tackle. But if he stands on the sidelines for a few games (not just 1) and sees the younger boys, maybe he would show some concern to get that agresivenes back

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91577' date='Nov 16 2008, 06:38 PM']How is breaking through a hole/tackle a fluke? I doubt we'll be the number one rush defense after this week, by the way. My point was that those two plays were arguably their biggest of the day, so why not take away the Ravens two biggest plays as well and see where we stand in the end? Ultimately, everything evens out.[/quote]
Out of 100 times Ray makes that tackle 99 times. To me that's fluke. If you don't think that's fluke then maybe you have a different definition of "fluke" than i have. The game was already long over by that point (80yd run), nobody's saying that if not for those 2 plays we would have won the game. Had nothing really to do with the outcome of the game.

We lost because we didn't take care of business not because they outplayed us. The Colts outplayed us a few weeks ago. We could have easily beaten the Giants today.

[RavensIQ]

Did the Giants have the better team or the better O-Line? Too many people get lost in the sideshow and miss the bigger picture. The season is 16 games long which means we have 6 games left to play. A lot can happen in 6 weeks. It's taken me by surprise how fast Flacco has improved and how well we have done so far as an offensive unit but I don't think a loss like this should discourage us for the rest of the season. Who knows we might get hot and go on a 10 game winning streak. If I recall we've done it b4...I just don't see how this game has swayed so many fans. Yes the Giants performed well but my thinking is more a long the lines of the Ravens performed more poorly. Losses suck but what determines a winner from a loser is if he/she accepts losing and concedes failure. In the end the affects of losing are more important than the affects of winning. You get caught up in 16-0 and then when you're faced with adversity for the first time you lose the real goal. Trust me, you learn a lot more of who you are from a loss than a win. I'm convinced we have the right players on our team to get where we need to go and as a whole have the type of team that won't settle. Without knowing the bitter taste of a loss how will you know how sweet the taste of a victory is? Trust me the Ray Lewis and Ed Reeds on our team won't give up and as fans we shouldn't either. So ask yourself how the Ravens loss and then answer my question: did the Giants have the better team or the better O-Line?

[Bullrush]

Their O-Line was way better than ours but we still should've won the game. The 2 "drops" (or catchable passes) by Mason cost us 21+ points if you think about it. We are way better than that.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='91605' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:55 PM']Out of 100 times Ray makes that tackle 99 times. To me that's fluke. If you don't think that's fluke then maybe you have a different definition of "fluke" than i have. The game was already long over by that point (80yd run), nobody's saying that if not for those 2 plays we would have won the game. Had nothing really to do with the outcome of the game.

We lost because we didn't take care of business not because they outplayed us. The Colts outplayed us a few weeks ago. We could have easily beaten the Giants today.[/quote]

We just see things different then. In my eyes, when you lose by twenty points, you did not have the ability that day to "easily" win the game.

[Jesse Conroy]

It wasnt so much the o-line blocking, but the defensive players not tackling.

[GermanRavensFan]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' post='91620' date='Nov 17 2008, 12:06 AM']It wasnt so much the o-line blocking, but the defensive players not tackling.[/quote]

Same opinion here!
I cant remember a game where I have seen so many broken tackles against our team!

At 10-20 I really thought that they would come back and win it! But that header from Mason to Ross and the following interception, or should I say "gift", really gave away the momentum our players have built up in the prior drives.

But respect to the Giants.... If a team runs that well against our defense, they really deserve it!!

Keep your head UP!!!! Better games will come.

Looking forward to next week.... Eagles, HERE WE COME!!

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='GermanRavensFan' post='91628' date='Nov 16 2008, 01:22 PM']Same opinion here!
[b]I cant remember a game where I have seen so many broken tackles against our team![/b]

At 10-20 I really thought that they would come back and win it! But that header from Mason to Ross and the following interception, or should I say "gift", really gave away the momentum our players have built up in the prior drives.

But respect to the Giants.... If a team runs that well against our defense, they really deserve it!!

Keep your head UP!!!! Better games will come.

Looking forward to next week.... Eagles, HERE WE COME!![/quote]

I can.. It was the Colts game...

1 have only 1 thing to say...

DAMN THE MANNING BROTHERS.

[RavensMan]

Yea it was our tackling. Our guys over ran almost every run play they ran

[Ravens0012]

[quote name='bossman419' post='91530' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:51 PM']Couldn't you have put this on one of the other 20 threads about this game? Not trying to sound like a jerk, but a lot of people have been starting stupid threads and saying nonsensical stuff lately.[/quote]


i did this on purpose.......i want people who have some inside to the ravens franchise to see this and maybe let the coaches know that this poor tackling has been a problem ive noticed in the last couple weeks.....even in the games we've won. i wanted to see where it would get too and possibly be addressed. sorry to all the people i caused problems to for creating this as a topic. im a die hard ravens fan and i always will be. the coaches say they need to improve on alot of things every week, but ive yet to hear them say anything about improvement on tackling. thats all i meant.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Ravens0012' post='91650' date='Nov 16 2008, 06:45 PM']i did this on purpose.......i want people who have some inside to the ravens franchise to see this and maybe let the coaches know that this poor tackling has been a problem ive noticed in the last couple weeks.....even in the games we've won. i wanted to see where it would get too and possibly be addressed. sorry to all the people i caused problems to for creating this as a topic. im a die hard ravens fan and i always will be. the coaches say they need to improve on alot of things every week, but ive yet to hear them say anything about improvement on tackling. thats all i meant.[/quote]

I'm sorry, was that serious? Do you think that someone is going to come on this site, see a post that says tackle more and then suddenly have an epiphany? Obviously the guys at Owings Mills know what they have to work on, I mean, isn't that a given? It's just about execution.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91781' date='Nov 16 2008, 08:45 PM']I'm sorry, was that serious? Do you think that someone is going to come on this site, see a post that says tackle more and then suddenly have an epiphany? Obviously the guys at Owings Mills know what they have to work on, I mean, isn't that a given? It's just about execution.[/quote]

Yea on the John Harbaugh show, somebody called in and asked him about all the missed tackles. And Harbaugh looked seriously into the camera, and firmly stated "We practice tackling everyday...EVERYDAY." He's fully aware of the need to tackle. He's watching the same games we do.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='PuRock' post='91789' date='Nov 16 2008, 08:48 PM']Yea on the John Harbaugh show, somebody called in and asked him about all the missed tackles. And Harbaugh looked seriously into the camera, and firmly stated "We practice tackling everyday...EVERYDAY." He's fully aware of the need to tackle. He's watching the same games we do.[/quote]

It just seems absurdly trivial. This is a message board with no insiders, not a place where the fans communicate with management.

[rayvenfan_52]

This game looked similar to the Colts game where we lost badly.

Only difference betwee this one is the Giants ran all over us while the Colts went through the air.
Lets not forget the score which was much better this time around from being 33-3 to 10-30.
Lets look at the defense for both teams.

[b]Colts[/b]
Front 4
R. Mathias K. Dawson E. Foster D. Freeney
Great OL
Great WR core
Good RBs

[b]Giants[/b]
Front 4
J. Tuck B. Cofield F. Robbins M. Kiwanuka
Great OL
Good WR core
Great RBs

Doesnt that seem familiar in a way?

The only difference is 1 team got it done in the air while the other got it done on the ground.
I see this game as another hard learning one for Joe and another game where our OL can improve upon.
I feel that he will come out stronger against the Eagles and our defense will show up and be what we are used to seeing.

Dont let this win bring up what we used to do in the past.
The Coaching staff and players have moved on. Why cant we?

Say whatever you feel like to me. Especially if itll help you get the L off your mind and move onto next week against the Eagles.

[H8R]

I saw major differences in the mentioned games. 1) the Ravens actually stayed with NYG, and had momentum for a bit but then lost all hope after the unfortunate tipped pass pick 6. 2) Flacco was ONLY sacked ONE time at NYG, IIRC he was sacked 3-4 times in Indy. 3) We applied FAR more pressure on Eli then we did to Peyton.
4) The Ravens did a solid job on special teams to eliminate big returns, and we insured decent starting position with avg. field possesion around the 30 y/l.

[Raven43hike]

Colts beat us though the air ,Giants on the ground this has exposed the Ravens biggest weakness secondary and poor tackling.

We need more talented recievers for Joe to throw to so we can just out score them because face it against the more elite teams we just cant hang with them.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Ravens0012' post='91496' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:27 PM']The only reason that the giants had 200 yards rushing is because we missed a mass amount of tackles. you remember that 77 yard run by bradshaw? if tackled when first hit he gains a a few yards not 77. how about the 38 or whatever it was by jacobs? tackled in the backfield instead of letting him bounce off is a loss of 2. make tackles and the giants would have not been on the field. manning did nothing to us.[/quote]


Usually when a team rushes for 207 yards there were a lot of tackles missed and assignments missed, that is a given. No one rushes for 207 yards and the other was making tackles when they needed to!