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Why are we not taking advantage of this trend. It would work great because Flacco is FAST man. Also, forces DE to play outside-in all day, forcing a hole for Rice. It's becoming blatently obvious that even the announcers were complaining about the predictability of rice touches.

Most people underestimate Flacco's speed, and he knows how to play it safe. So, whats the deal? Seems like the most underated perfect fit for the future of the NFL.

A plus reason the pistol offense works so well for SF and Washington. Is because the uniforms have the color of the ball, which adds to the confusion. But, with the way the Ravens uniforms are,purple isn't that far off from red. Rice's huge squishy arms and Leach massive body, no one would be the wiser.

Perhaps its a bit to late in the season, to "evolve" with the NFL. And, we're pretty hot right now that it might not be worth it. But, I remember we tried adding variation of the wildcat, after the NFL got their immunation shots for it. Gotta use trends while they work, and if they succeed build upon it.

It probably would be the most unexpected thing that our players are capable of, to help ever so slightly to cure the problem of over predictability.
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Because the Pistol Offense is a college offense.

RG3 will not longer be able to use it, Wilson is overrated.

This is the pros, these rooks look succesful bc they are in a college system they are used too. Put them in a pro system then they look like rookies.

Flacco doesn't need a college system bc he is one of the better QBs in the NFL
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I'm against running QB cuz they don't last long. Joe is who he is, best pocket passer. It seems RGIII is near career ending.....
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Did you watch the SF game? They run it too. So does Jax, and some others.

How can you not say that it's not being successful in the NFL atm.


[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1358056688' post='1308730']
I'm against running QB cuz they don't last long. Joe is who he is, best pocket passer. It seems RGIII is near career ending.....
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I agree about RG3 recklessness. But, this is Joe has made some big run plays before, without taking shots. He's a smart veteran now. Unlike RG3 was recently.

One could say the pistol is safer than standing in the pocket suffering a crushing blow. Since Joe has control of his body, instead of focusing on delivering the ball, whilst recieving a blind blow.
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[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1358056700' post='1308731']
Did you watch the SF game? They run it too. So does Jax, and some others.

How can you not say that it's not being successful in the NFL atm.




I agree about RG3 recklessness. But, this is Joe has made some big run plays before, without taking shots. He's a smart veteran now. Unlike RG3 was recently.

One could say the pistol is safer than standing in the pocket suffering a crushing blow. Since Joe has control of his body, instead of focusing on delivering the ball, whilst recieving a blind blow.
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SF was playing a crappy D........ All I can say.
Pistol is college offense. And Pocket Passer in pistol is ineffective (sorry Gabe lol) ala
UCLA 2011-2012
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[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1358056700' post='1308731']
Did you watch the SF game? They run it too. So does Jax, and some others.

How can you not say that it's not being successful in the NFL atm.




I agree about RG3 recklessness. But, this is Joe has made some big run plays before, without taking shots. He's a smart veteran now. Unlike RG3 was recently.

One could say the pistol is safer than standing in the pocket suffering a crushing blow. Since Joe has control of his body, instead of focusing on delivering the ball, whilst recieving a blind blow.
[/quote]#7 over at San Fran is a freak athlete. Joe has his skill set (a pocket passer with a cannon for an arm) and it doesn't entail out-running 11 defenders for 40 yard runs. Joe is what he is. Don't try and fit a square peg in a round hole.
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1. The pistol formation was NOT in Cam Cameron's playbook, nor is Jim Caldwell the type-of offensive coordinator that would use such a formation.
2. An adjustment for that major of a change takes time. It was challenging enough to have Caldwell sync this well, so far, calling the plays, this quickly.
3. Even for the future, Jim Caldwell is more of an O.C. that likes to spread the football with either 4 wide receiver sets, or 3 WRs and a tight end on the field, with a single running back.
4. I have defended Joe Flacco's speed, in the past. That said, Flacco still isn't a scrambler, so-to-speak. He is not a QB that will beat you with his legs, like a RGIII or a young Michael Vick.
5. Time-in-and-time-out, again, scrambling with the football, too often, eventually ends ugly for the quarterback...
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[quote name='lgcs27288' timestamp='1358056857' post='1308740']
Smells like the wildcat to me. Successful one year, figured out after that.
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[url="http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2012/12/27/3792740/pistol-offense-nfl-redskins-rg3"]http://www.sbnation....fl-redskins-rg3[/url]

Some info on the evolution. It isn't like the wildcat fad with a couple plays a game. Teams are using it full time.
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[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1358057200' post='1308762']
[url="http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2012/12/27/3792740/pistol-offense-nfl-redskins-rg3"]http://www.sbnation....fl-redskins-rg3[/url]

Some info on the evolution. It isn't like the wildcat fad with a couple plays a game. Teams are using it full time.
[/quote]We don't need 'gimmicks' to win games. Flacco can line up and win games with his arm.

The wildcat was a gimmick that teams quickly adjusted to. The same thing will happen to the pistol. The only advantage I can see for Joe using it is that it gets him away from the LOS more like the shotgun that he's so dominate in.
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1358057196' post='1308761']
1. The pistol formation was NOT in Cam Cameron's playbook, nor is Jim Caldwell the type-of offensive coordinator that would use such a formation.
2. An adjustment for that major of a change takes time. It was challenging enough to have Caldwell sync this well, so far, calling the plays, this quickly.
3. Even for the future, Jim Caldwell is more of an O.C. that likes to spread the football with either 4 wide receiver sets, or 3 WRs and a tight end on the field, with a single running back.
4. I have defended Joe Flacco's speed, in the past. That said, Flacco still isn't a scrambler, so-to-speak. He is not a QB that will beat you with his legs, like a RGIII or a young Michael Vick.
5. Time-in-and-time-out, again, scrambling with the football, too often, eventually ends ugly for the quarterback...
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Most people critize Joe all round, because hes that awkward stereotype of an individual to them. It automatically makes everyone a skeptical of Flacco. But, hes not awkward, and is realistically talented. The man can out run, scramble and play good ball all round, it just takes a pro to see it, which is hilarious... smh.
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[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1358057447' post='1308779']
We don't need 'gimmicks' to win games. Flacco can line up and win games with his arm.
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Flacco can, I never was skeptic of Flacco...

Play to win though. Flacco is commonly pigeonholed stereotypically, due to his demeanor. That is an asset worth using, not a gimmick. What you call gimmick I call exploitation of weakness.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358057897' post='1308800']
We win, and yet we still complain about offensvie systems

MILI! I need that SMH thing
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lol...does it ever get old?

Caldwell and Joe are made matched.....
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358056460' post='1308711']
Because the Pistol Offense is a college offense.

RG3 will not longer be able to use it, Wilson is overrated.

This is the pros, these rooks look succesful bc they are in a college system they are used too. Put them in a pro system then they look like rookies.

Flacco doesn't need a college system bc he is one of the better QBs in the NFL
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I think RG3 would do fine in a pro system...cam newton not so much
oh yeah and of course kaep
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Question. Who is flacco outrunning? What's his 40? You must have the QB to run that offense.
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what a great idea ! us ravens fans definitely want to see the most durable QB in the NFL end his career like RGIII is currently doing, right? not like this offense is working or anything.....
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[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1358058095' post='1308811']
Flacco can, I never was skeptic of Flacco...

Play to win though. Flacco is commonly pigeonholed stereotypically, due to his demeanor. That is an asset worth using, not a gimmick. What you call gimmick I call exploitation of weakness.
[/quote]LOL We are playing TO WIN! Why have our up and coming 6 foot 6 quarterback with a lazer rocket arm put in a position that exposes him to the type of hits that will put him on the inactive list with the likes of Mike Vick and RGIII? It doesn't make any sense. Joe is a pure pocket passer. He has developed great feet and pocket presence and knows when it's time to escape the pressure. The only running I want to see from him is when he has nobody open down field and he has a beeline for the sideline.
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[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1358058554' post='1308840']
LOL We are playing TO WIN! Why have our up and coming 6 foot 6 quarterback with a lazer rocket arm put in a position that exposes him to the type of hits that will put him on the inactive list with the likes of Mike Vick and RGIII? It doesn't make any sense. Joe is a pure pocket passer. He has developed great feet and pocket presence and knows when it's time to escape the pressure. The only running I want to see from him is when he has nobody open down field and he has a beeline for the sideline.
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I'm just saying that using the word gimmick is a cop out. It's a chess match is it not? Chess doesn't care if gimmicks work or not. Just that whatever goes, go.
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[quote name='D_UP' timestamp='1358058479' post='1308830']
Question. Who is flacco outrunning? What's his 40? You must have the QB to run that offense.
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You forget Flacco's first TD

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJUXMrsPV8M[/media]
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[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1358058660' post='1308849']
I'm just saying that using the word gimmick is a cop out. It's a chess match is it not? If you played a chess match the same way all the time, you wouldn't be so successful.
[/quote]I call it how I see it. MIA developed a gimmick known as the wildcat to surprise NE and it worked. It even got them to the playoffs where we exposed it for what it was.... a gimmick. Teams will develop an answer for the pistol the same way they found an answer for the wildcat and those teams that rely on that college system will be left with nowhere to go.

There is a reason the pro system is called the pro system. It is a proven system that caters to the skills and talents of pro level athletes. And we have that pro athlete in Joe Flacco.
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[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1358058888' post='1308862']
I call it how I see it. MIA developed a gimmick known as the wildcat to surprise NE and it worked. It even got them to the playoffs where we exposed it for what it was.... a gimmick. Teams will develop an answer for the pistol the same way they found an answer for the wildcat and those teams that rely on that college system will be left with nowhere to go.

There is a reason the pro system is called the pro system. It is a proven system that caters to the skills and talents of pro level athletes. And we have that pro athlete in Joe Flacco.
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I agree that some teams may develop an answer for the coming evolution of the NFL. But, it isn't a gimmick until it is answered entirely.

If we end up playing the Patriots, a pro game caller would use the pistol at least 1-2 times, and if it worked highly successfully more so... since they're highly vulnerable to it. If we played Houston, I wouldn't expect to use it.
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While the pistol offense has gained steam, it could be that teams are not used to this in the NFL. It could be obsolete next year. It also exposes the QB to serious injury at a valuable position.

I guarantee you Tom Brady won't run that.
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[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1358056291' post='1308699']
Why are we not taking advantage of this trend. It would work great because Flacco is FAST man. Also, forces DE to play outside-in all day, forcing a hole for Rice. It's becoming blatently obvious that even the announcers were complaining about the predictability of rice touches.

Most people underestimate Flacco's speed, and he knows how to play it safe. So, whats the deal? Seems like the most underated perfect fit for the future of the NFL.

A plus reason the pistol offense works so well for SF and Washington. Is because the uniforms have the color of the ball, which adds to the confusion. But, with the way the Ravens uniforms are,purple isn't that far off from red. Rice's huge squishy arms and Leach massive body, no one would be the wiser.

Perhaps its a bit to late in the season, to "evolve" with the NFL. And, we're pretty hot right now that it might not be worth it. But, I remember we tried adding variation of the wildcat, after the NFL got their immunation shots for it. Gotta use trends while they work, and if they succeed build upon it.

It probably would be the most unexpected thing that our players are capable of, to help ever so slightly to cure the problem of over predictability.
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This forum needs a breathalyzer before posting feature, lol.
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I don't think this team needs to run the pistol necessarily but I would like to see more bootlegs, they've been a nice addition to this offense.

About other QBs using it currently such as rookies RG3 and Wilson. That's just a good job of those coaching staffs realizing that they should build their offenses around what their QBs can do rather than trying to fit the QB in their system. You have to maximize potential for success. Can't have a coach being completely stubborn similar to mike martz last year in Chicago ( sorry O-line, decent athlete as QB in Cutler ) under Shannahan Cutler used bootlegs and playaction very effectively with his mobility but mike martz failed to ever utilize this rather he chose to stick to his system of 7 step drops with an O-line that couldn't block for a 3 step drop.

Sometime coaches have to coach and be creative rather than just telling every QB okay go out there do this.

They've done good jobs bringing along their young QBs by limiting the amount of reads on fields etc in the passing game and expanding the playbook throughout the season.
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What's wrong with the no-huddle we're in now? Aside from specific playcalling, which should get ironed out during the offseason, it's worked well. The only issue I have is that we still run too many deep routes and therefore are limiting the number of eligible receivers - I'd honestly love a base set with Torrey, Jacoby, and Anquan out there at the same time, all the time. It seems like Joe enjoys the no huddle and it's worked to great success with better playcalling - Joe hasn't thrown a pick since Caldwell's first game as OC, and hasn't been under a QBR of 114 since that first game.
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