Extend McKinnie's contract

[Juviebest]

Mac is playing for his next contract. And he didn't play all year because he was out of shape and then had that injury (back or hip?). No way we re-sign him with his two fellow U players set to leave.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1358044705' post='1307686']
I said this in the game thread but I can see us consider bringing him back. The problem is he has serious consistency issues and has an issue with dedication in the offseason. I can see us bringing him back, though.
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I don't think that's the biggest problem - I'd say it's the fact that he'll be 34 in September and has played in the league for a decade - most offensive linemen don't play into their late 30s. However good or bad he is, I don't think he has more than a year or two left in the league.

[PolishRifle]

What it shows is, that even a slight improvement to the OL could mean a lot for our passing game. We need to sure up that offensive line in the draft, imho.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Warren2621' timestamp='1358065936' post='1309031']
Funny to see all the love Big Mac is getting now. No one agreed with this when I posted it:

Anyone that doesnt think BM has made the difference in the line, is fooling themselves. Flacco has almost been untouched from the left side.


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[/quote]Um, I've been supporting McKinnie since last season. I'm on no bandwagon if that's what you're getting at. I identified him has our best tackle early into last season. I'm pretty sure I even started a thread about it.

[The Raven]

Happily eating crow!

[dhstandard]

If (when) we win the Super Bowl this year. He will retire or he will probably lose a lot of effort. He would have gotten his ring and probably not have a lot of motivation to play next year. Especially on a multi-year contract.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1358123004' post='1310492']
If (when) we win the Super Bowl this year. He will retire or he will probably lose a lot of effort. He would have gotten his ring and probably not have a lot of motivation to play next year. Especially on a multi-year contract.
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Yeah, no... The dude needs money. Ring or not, that will have nothing to do with his future plans or motivation.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1358123977' post='1310532']
Yeah, no... The dude needs money. Ring or not, that will have nothing to do with his future plans or motivation.
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True. But once he gets that contract and some guaranteed money what do you think will happen? He won't be playing next to a Ray Lewis who vouched for him only to see him slack off. I'd give him an extra year but I'm not committing to him for the future. I'd much rather draft in the 1st round for a guy who can pass and run block and will be here for many years.

[H8R]

If its an incentive based deal, with workout and mini-camp bonuses... Maybe. I don't think we're gonna have the cap space. Birk should retire. Heck, Q might even hang em up if we win the Lombardi.

[LouieDaLug]

McKinnie will be here next year over Harbaugh's dead body.

He's not a Raven.

[jimmypowder]

I've said this all year .Mckinnie is a better LT then Oher.

Many people in this forum disagreed with me saying he was a poor run blocker and out of shape.

Guess what , we would not be going to the AFC Championship game with Oher protecting the blind side .

[1/28/01]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1358124680' post='1310566']


True. But once he gets that contract and some guaranteed money what do you think will happen? He won't be playing next to a Ray Lewis who vouched for him only to see him slack off. I'd give him an extra year but I'm not committing to him for the future. I'd much rather draft in the 1st round for a guy who can pass and run block and will be here for many years.
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Yes, his motivation and work ethic is in question, no doubt. But that's not what you said. A ring will have no affect on anything for him moving forward.

Incentive laden contract extension and call it a day. Weight clauses and all!

[dhstandard]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1358127012' post='1310702']
Yes, his motivation and work ethic is in question, no doubt. But that's not what you said. A ring will have no affect on anything for him moving forward.

Incentive laden contract extension and call it a day. Weight clauses and all!
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They go hand in hand. You get a Super Bowl ring as the starting LT and you may get more money elsewhere anyways. He showed us that we need him but after he gets that contract he probably won't try as hard. He'll get enough guaranteed money and even incentive based money doesn't mean he will get all of it.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1358127488' post='1310716']


They go hand in hand. You get a Super Bowl ring as the starting LT and you may get more money elsewhere anyways. He showed us that we need him but after he gets that contract he probably won't try as hard. He'll get enough guaranteed money and even incentive based money doesn't mean he will get all of it.
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Okay, you said he would retire if he won a ring. Ring or not will, again, have no affect on his decision to keep playing.

[Ravensfan23]

It's tough because Mac is proving worth, but how much of it comes from Harbs pushing him and how much to you credit him for actually doing what was necessary to play? Does him getting benched for the first time in his career light a permanent fire under his butt and keep him going for a full season? That's something that Harbs will have to see in his eyes when he has that talk.

I think Harbs really likes Big Mac and would have to have him back, but only if he's willing to continue to fight. Harbs told Mac in the offseason that he was gonna get him back to that probowl level. Well over these last 2 games, that's what Mac looks like, but can it be consistent for 19-20 games?

I wouldn't mind signing him to a deal for 1yr but they still need to get young at the LT position. If you can't sign a solid LT in FA and let's be honest most of the guys available are damaged goods to a certain extent. I think draft is the way to go.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1358127488' post='1310716']
They go hand in hand. You get a Super Bowl ring as the starting LT and you may get more money elsewhere anyways. He showed us that we need him but after he gets that contract he probably won't try as hard. He'll get enough guaranteed money and even incentive based money doesn't mean he will get all of it.
[/quote]He came into last year after being jettisoned by the Vikings and started every game. Regardless of any bias or preconceived notions you might have, the man is an athlete.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1358130431' post='1310850']
He came into last year after being jettisoned by the Vikings and started every game. Regardless of any bias or preconceived notions you might have, the man is an athlete.
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Albert Haynesworth was an athlete. His motivation is suspect and always has been. You get a big contract, your effort suddenly doesn't mean as much especially on a team that isn't contending. Most players aren't like this but a lot are. He wasn't able to stay in shape this offseason and sat for much of the year because of that. I'll take him for another year but no multi-year contracts. He isn't that good anyway.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1358130790' post='1310869']
Albert Haynesworth was an athlete. His motivation is suspect and always has been. You get a big contract, your effort suddenly doesn't mean as much especially on a team that isn't contending. Most players aren't like this but a lot are. He wasn't able to stay in shape this offseason and sat for much of the year because of that. I'll take him for another year but no multi-year contracts. He isn't that good anyway.
[/quote]He's only a band-aide at the position at best because of his age but to link him to Haynesworth is insulting. And to say "he isn't that good anyway" is diminishing the significant impact he's had on the improvement of Joe these last 2 games. He's the best LT on the team hands down, and if we can't find somebody better during the off-season we should make an effort to retain him. I'm tired of watching Oher look completely lost and Joe being punished for it.

[Footman DCXLV]

There's no denying that our line is playing better under this current configuration, which hinges on somebody playing left tackle so that Oher can play on the right side, where he's a much better player. Whether we keep McKinnie around or draft a young left tackle who can start right away, we need to do what we can to keep Oher on the right side.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Footman DCXLV' timestamp='1358131627' post='1310911']
There's no denying that our line is playing better under this current configuration, which hinges on somebody playing left tackle so that Oher can play on the right side, where he's a much better player. Whether we keep McKinnie around or draft a young left tackle who can start right away, we need to do what we can to keep Oher on the right side.
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Nice sig.

[Footman DCXLV]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1358136028' post='1311061']
Nice sig.
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Thanks. I didn't have one until last week. I thought it was appropriate in honor of the "Last Ride."

[redrum52]

I think Bryant is done if we win it all. Him, Birk, Reed and Lewis. BA is probably done as well as is Bobbie Williams.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1358210180' post='1312365']
I think Bryant is done if we win it all. Him, Birk, Reed and Lewis. BA is probably done as well as is Bobbie Williams.
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McKinnie needs $$$$$$$

[flynismo]

<p>[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1358045195' post='1307746']
The past two games to me solidifies that we are going to jump up in the draft for a LT. We won't resign McKinnie because he breaks down too fast and he's old.

But I think the last two games definitely shows what Flacco can do with protection and that Ozzie will try to jump up for a quality LT prospect.
[/quote]Trading up from the #32 slot is gonna cost us an arm and a leg :;

[flynismo]

What happened to my winkie face??

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1358227308' post='1312603']
<p>Trading up from the #32 slot is gonna cost us an arm and a leg :;
[/quote]
Well, I will chop off my arm.....


We gonna need a leg

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1358226684' post='1312595']
McKinnie needs $$$$$$$
[/quote]
After that Lawsuit............Yep

What the hell was he thinking/drinking?

[jdynamite]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1358045232' post='1307750']
What this move shows me is KO is a left tackle and oher is a very good right tackle. He dominated von millar minus maybe two plays all game. I'd be happy with McKinnie being resigned as long as we get someone behind him to push him.
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I'm slightly confused, did you word this correctly. I'm thinking u meant this showed u KO is a left guard?? But wrote left tackle?

KO is a rookie and has played well, but his strength is power run blocking, he has been average at passing blocking, at times look similar to Oher ( on the left side ). Most nfl teams line their best pass rushers up on the right side of the defense which is the offenses left side ( they may rotate or move around their rushers to create mismatches but still KO has faced a majority of 2nd tier pass rushers for teams. So what has happened to convince you that KO is the left tackle of the future?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1358227442' post='1312606']
Well, I will chop off my arm.....


We gonna need a leg


After that Lawsuit............Yep

What the hell was he thinking/drinking?
[/quote]

Shouldn't you be in bed? It's a school night!

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1358230351' post='1312630']
Shouldn't you be in bed? It's a school night!
[/quote]You should give him some aloe vera for that burn.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1358230351' post='1312630']


Shouldn't you be in bed? It's a school night!
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School night before finals week. So yep. Study most of the night. Take some breaks in between
I'm a straight A student, cut me some slack
You're on fire lol........ Good burn I will admit

But honestly, I wish I could sleep more...... On topic now


Well, Mckinnie for a one year deal and then drafting Kyle Long could help