Rebuilding

[Ravnet]

[quote name='RAVENS96' post='91551' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:09 PM']heres my thoughts on an earlier post.....


-The fact remains that we haven't beaten a single team with a winning record going into week twelve. -[i][/i]we will beginning sunday !!


-We have the fifth hardest schedule in the NFL ahead of us.[i][/i]makes those wins sweeter !!

-Our secondary has been decimated by injuries.[i][/i]again makes the wins that much better shows we have character

-A rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback do not instill confidence.[i][/i]thats odd i feel more cinfident about our offense than ever!


-Our special teams unit, sans Sam Koch, is flat out awful.[i][/i]that may be a valid point[/quote]

You actually did not address a single one of my concerns. Astounding.

[72Marshall]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91546' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:03 PM']And why do I have to be positive, again? I'll steal this from a post that I just made:

-The fact remains that we haven't beaten a single team with a winning record going into week twelve.
-We have the fifth hardest schedule in the NFL ahead of us.
-Our secondary has been decimated by injuries.
-A rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback do not instill confidence.
-Our special teams unit, sans Sam Koch, is flat out awful.

After carefully considering each of those issues, am I supposed to blindly think optimistically just because I want the team to win? I'm a fan, not a player, thinking positively isn't going to change a damn thing.[/quote]

Neither is being negative. You

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91546' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:03 PM'][b]And why do I have to be positive, again?[/b] I'll steal this from a post that I just made:

-The fact remains that we haven't beaten a single team with a winning record going into week twelve.
-We have the fifth hardest schedule in the NFL ahead of us.
-Our secondary has been decimated by injuries.
-A rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback do not instill confidence.
-Our special teams unit, sans Sam Koch, is flat out awful.

After carefully considering each of those issues, am I supposed to blindly think optimistically just because I want the team to win? I'm a fan, not a player, thinking positively isn't going to change a damn thing.[/quote]


See the thing is why not be positive? Sand Diego is leading the Steelers. We still have a winning record. We didn't get any injuries and we're still in the hunt. Last time I checked the season doesn't end until the last game is played...

[Ravnet]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91559' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:17 PM']Neither is being negative. You’re not a player or a coach, you have no control over what happens during the week or during a game, all you do is watch. I know this team is professional team and they know what they have to do. I'll be optimistic that we will win next week, if not why would I even bother watching if I think they will lose? It doesn't make sense to me why people always have a list of problems about a team yet they still claim to be a fan. Why don't you make a list of problems for every team and see what you come up with, I'll bet it isn't much different team to team including the Giants. And by the way, are the Giants still a good team because they beat the Ravens? After all the Ravens are not contenders they've only beat bottom feeders. And how about Eagles are they contenders? They tied with the Bengals; I guess now next week game isn't as big a deal as it was when the Ravens game was over?[/quote]

You're logic is flawed on so many fronts I don't even know where to begin. That was astronomically shallow. By your reasoning, Detroit wouldn't have a single fan because I'm sure they don't expect to ever win a game. I follow a team because I love tracking the progression, which includes ups and downs. I'm a bigger O's fan than Ravens fan because I have the ability to track players all throughout their minor league career and into the majors. I didn't abandon the Orioles simply because they didn't win. I'm not going to accuse you of being bandwagon, but what you described is the epitome of fairweather. If you follow a team for an extended amount of time, through all the rough patches and speed bumps, winning becomes all that much sweeter.

[rayvenfan_52]

unnecessary post.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='91595' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:49 PM']After a loss to a good team you post a rebuilding thread?

way to support the team.[/quote]

I've had to defend myself in so many threads, I'm not even going to respond to this. Just because I don't think our team is legitimate title contender, I'm obviously not a true fan, right?

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91598' date='Nov 16 2008, 12:51 PM']I've had to defend myself in so many threads, I'm not even going to respond to this. Just because I don't think our team is legitimate title contender, I'm obviously not a true fan, right?[/quote]

fine. Ill take back what I typed.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='91630' date='Nov 16 2008, 06:24 PM']fine. Ill take back what I typed.[/quote]

I appreciate the maturity.

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91633' date='Nov 16 2008, 01:27 PM']I appreciate the maturity.[/quote]

your welcome...

plus its no use arguing amongst other raven fans...

lets just try and look to next weeks game.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91500' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:29 PM']I think it's funny that people are still going to talk about this "streak," even when the Giants ran for a combined 200+ against us.[/quote]

I'm glad you said it because you took the words right out of my mouth. Granted it is nice that Baltimore hasn't allowed a "single RB" to rush for 100+ yards in a game in a long time but come on be serious here..

[3Zach21]

[quote name='BrownsFan' post='91652' date='Nov 16 2008, 06:48 PM']I'm glad you said it because you took the words right out of my mouth. Granted it is nice that Baltimore hasn't allowed a "single RB" to rush for 100+ yards in a game in a long time but come on be serious here..[/quote]

Dont be mad that your team has no nice streaks going on. Why are you on ths board.

[wayne]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91388' date='Nov 16 2008, 02:54 PM']Make no mistake, the Giants are a great team; we're not as bad as we look right now. However, it's becoming increasingly obvious that the Ravens are currently a middle of the road team. Had our schedule been against five good teams and five bad teams, we'd probably be sitting at 5-5 at this point in the season. [b]The Ravens will beat up on the nerds, but the big college kid will hand them their lunch money. [/b]We're probably not a contender, but get EXCITED about our future. I cannot wait, 2011/2012 look to be great years for this franchise. Consider that we have Flacco, Rice, McClain, Ngata, Suggs, Landry, Grubbs, Yanda, Terry, Gaither, Sypniewski, Clayton, Koch, Housh and Flacco all developing as NFL players. Furthermore, our coaching staff of Harbaugh, Cameron and Ryan could be here for a long time as well. Rex might get promoted as a head coach, but the rest of the guys that I listed could be cornerstones for this ballclub. They'll learn the ways of the NFL as a unit and continue to grow.

I'm not sure how many of you were actually following this team during training camps and the preseason, but we came into this year looking for development and some kind of salvation. With Ogden and McNair retiring, coupled with the injuries of Boller and Smith, things looked abysmal. I was primarily focusing on Flacco and seeing if he was showing sings of progress. Many of the great quarterbacks have atrocious rookie seasons; Flacco being a stud right now with his team at 6-3 is an added bonus. Watching him is just eye popping, the kid not only has all the physical tools, but he also has the intangibles to be a franchise quarterback. From day one, Flacco showed us things that Boller never demonstrated in all his time here.

[b]If you seriously scrutinized this team, it was pretty obvious they were not contenders. [/b] With major holes in the secondary, in our wide receiving core, from our quarterback, from our head coach and from our special teams units, things were bound to disintegrate at some point. I think that we'll exceed expectations and end up at 9-7, which is a great start to Flacco's career. Part of the reason this is such a let down is because people built up the Ravens far too much. On this message board, we had the idea that a 6-3 record meant a quality team. We're certainly not bad, but I warned at the end of the Texans game that we should soak it up while we could; those matchups were fun while they lasted. Call this a knee jerk reaction, but I maintained this rebuilding attitude throughout the winning and the losing.[/quote]
I don't agree with you at all. We could easily be 8-2 with us beating the only undefeated team in the league. Just had a bad game, thats it just like the Giants had a bad game vs Clevland. [b]They key is to not overreact when the Ravens win and when the Ravens lose![/b]

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='91658' date='Nov 16 2008, 06:53 PM']Dont be mad that your team has no nice streaks going on. Why are you on ths board.[/quote]

LOL I'm on this board because I created an account here. =]

And you?

[RavensMan]

Exactly everyone get's all sucked up in our success they get so mad when we lose. Did you forget we went 5 and 11 last season. I'm used to us losing. You should put more energy towards the team when we win then when we lose.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='BrownsFan' post='91663' date='Nov 16 2008, 06:58 PM']LOL I'm on this board because I created an account here. =]

And you?[/quote]

Really? Thats cool.
And Me? Just on the boards of My home team.

[BrownsFan]

I think it's way cool. Good place here IMO.

[neepo13]

[quote name='itscbm5042' post='91451' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:09 PM']The streak still stands (just barely) 29 games without allowing a 100 yard rusher[/quote]

I am sick all this talk about that stupid streak. Unless, we start getting wins to show for it, I dont care that no single player has run for 100 yards on them. This is a team sport and as a team the Giants rolled over them for almost 200 yards.

[neepo13]

[quote name='3Zach21' post='91658' date='Nov 16 2008, 06:53 PM']Dont be mad that your team has no nice streaks going on. Why are you on ths board.[/quote]

Show some respect. He wasnt being nasty about it. He was stating the obvious.

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

The streak is nil because obviously if Jacobs would have actually played he would have eclipsed 100. He sat out most of the third and some of the 4th if i remember. Then Bradshaw comes and gets 90 some.

[FerrariFan87]

Well, the Squealers have yet to beat a legitimate team, and they aren't considered "middle of the road"... the term "rebuilding" is very taboo amongst NFL fans because there just isn't time in this league.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='91886' date='Nov 16 2008, 09:34 PM']Well, the Squealers have yet to beat a legitimate team, and they aren't considered "middle of the road"... the term "rebuilding" is very taboo amongst NFL fans because there just isn't time in this league.[/quote]

San Diego? Jacksonville? Washington? Baltimore? Even if you don't want to include San Diego and Jacksonville, they've still beaten two more teams with winning records than we have.

[ravensfan2430]

rebuilding is such a dirty word. To me, a team that is rebuilding is one that has a lot of problems and is looking to head back into contention. Going into this season.. yeah.. ill admit, it was looking like a rebuild year. Things changed though.

Our rookie QB went from 3rd sting to starter, then, from starter to work in progress, then, from work in progress to a young growing QB with skills that no one expected this early in his career.

ANd

Our very young O-line turned out to be great!


with these 2 big suprizes coupled with a defense that has been way above average, we have managed to have a 6-4 record thus far.

To be a contender (for the superbowl) you must BE one thing....... in the playoffs. In this regard i agree with you, we are not offically contenders. BUT The mere fact that we are bouting for a playoff spot does make us contenders. There is no reason to believe we cannot win enough games to make the playoffs. Yes, our secondary is banged up, but having a below avg. secondary does not mean we will lose the next 6 games and certainly does not mean we are not contenders.


Go Ravens

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91896' date='Nov 16 2008, 09:42 PM']San Diego? Jacksonville? Washington? Baltimore? Even if you don't want to include San Diego and Jacksonville, they've still beaten two more teams with winning records than we have.[/quote]

San Diego: 4-6 and clearly not the same Chargers from the past... LT stinks this year.

Jacksonville: 4-6 and clearly not the contender most thought, and they have been devastated with injuries.

I might give you Washington, but I am still not sold on them... yet

When we played them it was Joe's FIRST road game in the NFL and we were still getting our feet under us offensively.

[Purple Punishment]

Housh?? Who the hell is Housh?

[Ravnet]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='91903' date='Nov 16 2008, 09:51 PM']San Diego: 4-6 and clearly not the same Chargers from the past... LT stinks this year.

Jacksonville: 4-6 and clearly not the contender most thought, and they have been devastated with injuries.

I might give you Washington, but I am still not sold on them... yet

When we played them it was Joe's FIRST road game in the NFL and we were still getting our feet under us offensively.[/quote]

The Chargers could be 8-2 right now just like the Ravens, they've been in a TON of close games.

Besides todays game, I don't think Jacksonville has dropped one by more than a field goal.

Both of those teams are quality franchises that have had bad breaks.

[72Marshall]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91571' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:35 PM']You're logic is flawed on so many fronts I don't even know where to begin. That was astronomically shallow. By your reasoning, Detroit wouldn't have a single fan because I'm sure they don't expect to ever win a game. I follow a team because I love tracking the progression, which includes ups and downs. I'm a bigger O's fan than Ravens fan because I have the ability to track players all throughout their minor league career and into the majors. I didn't abandon the Orioles simply because they didn't win. I'm not going to accuse you of being bandwagon, but what you described is the epitome of fairweather. If you follow a team for an extended amount of time, through all the rough patches and speed bumps, winning becomes all that much sweeter.[/quote]

Why is my logic flawed? Because I disagree with you and you think you

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91908' date='Nov 16 2008, 09:57 PM']The Chargers could be 8-2 right now just like the Ravens, they've been in a TON of close games.

Besides todays game, I don't think Jacksonville has dropped one by more than a field goal.

Both of those teams are quality franchises that have had bad breaks.[/quote]

So, in other words, the Steelers still haven't beaten a legitimately good team... bad breaks or not, these teams have proven they can't win more than they lose.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91913' date='Nov 16 2008, 10:08 PM']Why is my logic flawed? Because I disagree with you and you think you

[Ravnet]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='91914' date='Nov 16 2008, 10:10 PM']So, in other words, the Steelers still haven't beaten a legitimately good team... bad breaks or not, these teams have proven they can't win more than they lose.[/quote]

How is Washington not legitimate, or Baltimore for that matter? If you're purely basing legitimacy off of wins and losses, then Baltimore is a valid win, irrespective of where Flacco was in his progression. And by that same logic, the Steelers have two more legitimate wins than the Ravens. You're criticizing me for breaking down the games, yet you tried to make a justification for Flacco and the Ravens end though they're sitting a 6-4, a clear indicator of how good they are, right?

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91913' date='Nov 16 2008, 10:08 PM']Why is my logic flawed? Because I disagree with you and you think you