Rebuilding

[Ravnet]

Make no mistake, the Giants are a great team; we're not as bad as we look right now. However, it's becoming increasingly obvious that the Ravens are currently a middle of the road team. Had our schedule been against five good teams and five bad teams, we'd probably be sitting at 5-5 at this point in the season. The Ravens will beat up on the nerds, but the big college kid will hand them their lunch money.

We're probably not a contender, but get EXCITED about our future. I cannot wait, 2011/2012 look to be great years for this franchise. Consider that we have Flacco, Rice, McClain, Ngata, Suggs, Landry, Grubbs, Yanda, Terry, Gaither, Sypniewski, Clayton, Koch, Housh and Flacco all developing as NFL players. Furthermore, our coaching staff of Harbaugh, Cameron and Ryan could be here for a long time as well. Rex might get promoted as a head coach, but the rest of the guys that I listed could be cornerstones for this ballclub. They'll learn the ways of the NFL as a unit and continue to grow.

I'm not sure how many of you were actually following this team during training camps and the preseason, but we came into this year looking for development and some kind of salvation. With Ogden and McNair retiring, coupled with the injuries of Boller and Smith, things looked abysmal. I was primarily focusing on Flacco and seeing if he was showing sings of progress. Many of the great quarterbacks have atrocious rookie seasons; Flacco being a stud right now with his team at 6-3 is an added bonus. Watching him is just eye popping, the kid not only has all the physical tools, but he also has the intangibles to be a franchise quarterback. From day one, Flacco showed us things that Boller never demonstrated in all his time here.

If you seriously scrutinized this team, it was pretty obvious they were not contenders. With major holes in the secondary, in our wide receiving core, from our quarterback, from our head coach and from our special teams units, things were bound to disintegrate at some point. I think that we'll exceed expectations and end up at 9-7, which is a great start to Flacco's career. Part of the reason this is such a let down is because people built up the Ravens far too much. On this message board, we had the idea that a 6-3 record meant a quality team. We're certainly not bad, but I warned at the end of the Texans game that we should soak it up while we could; those matchups were fun while they lasted. Call this a knee jerk reaction, but I maintained this rebuilding attitude throughout the winning and the losing.

[72Marshall]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91388' date='Nov 16 2008, 03:54 PM']Make no mistake, the Giants are a great team; we're not as bad as we look right now. However, it's becoming increasingly obvious that the Ravens are currently a middle of the road team. Had our schedule been against five good teams and five bad teams, we'd probably be sitting at 5-5 at this point in the season. The Ravens will beat up on the nerds, but the big college kid will hand them their lunch money.

We're probably not a contender, but get EXCITED about our future. I cannot wait, 2011/2012 look to be great years for this franchise. Consider that we have Flacco, Rice, McClain, Ngata, Suggs, Landry, Grubbs, Yanda, Terry, Gaither, Sypniewski, Clayton, Koch, Housh and Flacco all developing as NFL players. Furthermore, our coaching staff of Harbaugh, Cameron and Ryan could be here for a long time as well. Rex might get promoted as a head coach, but the rest of the guys that I listed could be cornerstones for this ballclub. They'll learn the ways of the NFL as a unit and continue to grow.

I'm not sure how many of you were actually following this team during training camps and the preseason, but we came into this year looking for development and some kind of salvation. With Ogden and McNair retiring, coupled with the injuries of Boller and Smith, things looked abysmal. I was primarily focusing on Flacco and seeing if he was showing sings of progress. Many of the great quarterbacks have atrocious rookie seasons; Flacco being a stud right now with his team at 6-3 is an added bonus. Watching him is just eye popping, the kid not only has all the physical tools, but he also has the intangibles to be a franchise quarterback. From day one, Flacco showed us things that Boller never demonstrated in all his time here.

If you seriously scrutinized this team, it was pretty obvious they were not contenders. With major holes in the secondary, in our wide receiving core, from our quarterback, from our head coach and from our special teams units, things were bound to disintegrate at some point. I think that we'll exceed expectations and end up at 9-7, which is a great start to Flacco's career. Part of the reason this is such a let down is because people built up the Ravens far too much. On this message board, we had the idea that a 6-3 record meant a quality team. We're certainly not bad, but I warned at the end of the Texans game that we should soak it up while we could; those matchups were fun while they lasted. Call this a knee jerk reaction, but I maintained this rebuilding attitude throughout the winning and the losing.[/quote]

Why post this? This season isn't over after one loss to a good team. The playoffs are still possible, does that mean superbowl?? Maybe not but the playoffs are still possible.

We'll see you in 2011 and 2012.....BYE

[Ravnet]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91403' date='Nov 16 2008, 03:58 PM']Why post this? This season isn't over after one loss to a good team. The playoffs are still possible, does that mean superbowl?? Maybe not but the playoffs are still possible.

We'll see you in 2011 and 2012.....BYE[/quote]

"I maintained this rebuilding attitude throughout the winning and the losing."

Why do you respond if you don't read my entire thread? Check out some of my posts, I have been mostly concerned with how Flacco looks technically.

[Eurich]

We play good teams the rest of the season dude.

All have big play QB/WR/RBs.

We just gotta keep pushing.

<No Name calling>

[RedFire]

oh please!!!

it was lack of discipline in this game.
and the defense not crackin' the whip

cam cameron needed 2 open up da playbook like he did the "bum" squads.
no t.smith? no wild bird & t shizzle packages?


we're better than this!
we will learn from this loss and get back to our contender ways.

[itscbm5042]

Yeah the Giants are scary good and their O Line is DIGUSTINGLY effective. But even with that...if Mason makes the easy TD pass and Stover isn't going into a nursing home this game was tied 20-20. The Ravens are not rebuilding, the Giants are by far the best team in the NFL.

[72Marshall]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91417' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:01 PM']"I maintained this rebuilding attitude throughout the winning and the losing."

Why do you respond if you don't read my entire thread? Check out some of my posts, I have been mostly concerned with how Flacco looks technically.[/quote]


Why should I read a stupid negative post after one loss to a good team. We are not contenders etc. etc. blah blah blah.

You couldn't wait to make that post. The Ravens season is not over, maybe yours is....BYE

[Ravnet]

[quote name='itscbm5042' post='91432' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:04 PM']Yeah the Giants are scary good and their O Line is DIGUSTINGLY effective. But even with that...if Mason makes the easy TD pass and Stover isn't going into a nursing home this game was tied 20-20. The Ravens are not rebuilding, the Giants are by far the best team in the NFL.[/quote]

If Eli hadn't thrown that interception and Jacobs hadn't sat the entire game out...

[Eurich]

We aren't contenders dude.

We have beat bottom feeders.

I still have hope in this team but until we prove it and beat a good team we aren't a contender.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91434' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:05 PM']Why should I read a stupid negative post after one loss to a good team. We are not contenders etc. etc. blah blah blah.

You couldn't wait to make that post. The Ravens season is not over, maybe yours is....BYE[/quote]

If you're not interested in actually having a conversation, then why do you respond?

Just because I disagree with you concerning this 2008-2009 season, does that mean I have to leave the board?

[itscbm5042]

The streak still stands (just barely) 29 games without allowing a 100 yard rusher

[niceboy]

Thanx Stover. It is not much that will sway the momentum of a football game putting points up ALWAYS helps, missing short yard FGs KILLS momentum.

[itscbm5042]

Yeah he is done he set the record now he can retire.

[niceboy]

Where' s is that rookie that booted that 54 yarder!

[Ravnet]

[quote name='niceboy' post='91472' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:16 PM']Where' s is that rookie that booted that 54 yarder![/quote]

At this point, he probably has absolutely no accuracy. I was shocked when he made that 54 yarder in Houston, probably a lot of luck and no wind involved.

[niceboy]

excelent point I withdrawal my request, not my criticism

[72Marshall]

[quote name='itscbm5042' post='91451' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:09 PM']The streak still stands (just barely) 29 games without allowing a 100 yard rusher[/quote]

What does this streak actually mean? I couldn't care less about this streak, it means nothing.

[72Marshall]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91444' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:07 PM']If you're not interested in actually having a conversation, then why do you respond?

Just because I disagree with you concerning this 2008-2009 season, does that mean I have to leave the board?[/quote]

What do you want to talk about that the Ravens are not contenders after a loss to a good team?? What happens if they win out the regular season from here? I don't care to be a negative person; in the NFL there isn't a window of when a team is good and when a team is bad. This year the Ravens might win 10 games, next year they might win 2 with the same team. This isn't baseball where you can buy a championship. It's not over until they are mathematically eliminated.

You probably started writing that post after the first quarter. It makes no sense to come on here and write that after one loss, it's just ridiculous.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91486' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:22 PM']What does this streak actually mean? I couldn't care less about this streak, it means nothing.[/quote]

I think it's funny that people are still going to talk about this "streak," even when the Giants ran for a combined 200+ against us.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='itscbm5042' post='91451' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:09 PM']The streak still stands (just barely) 29 games without allowing a 100 yard rusher[/quote]
Yeah, too bad one guy had 96 yards and the other had like 85

Oh yeah, we lost too.... records mean NOTHING except for the one where the W-L is

[bossman419]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91499' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:28 PM']What do you want to talk about that the Ravens are not contenders after a loss to a good team?? What happens if they win out the regular season from here? I don't care to be a negative person; in the NFL there isn't a window of when a team is good and when a team is bad. This year the Ravens might win 10 games, next year they might win 2 with the same team. This isn't baseball where you can buy a championship. It's not over until they are mathematically eliminated.

You probably started writing that post after the first quarter. It makes no sense to come on here and write that after one loss, it's just ridiculous.[/quote]
Absolutely correct. Some of you guys should not come on here right after a bad game and start talking about how bad everything is. Let yourselves comeback to your senses and then post.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91499' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:28 PM']What do you want to talk about that the Ravens are not contenders after a loss to a good team?? What happens if they win out the regular season from here? I don't care to be a negative person; in the NFL there isn't a window of when a team is good and when a team is bad. This year the Ravens might win 10 games, next year they might win 2 with the same team. This isn't baseball where you can buy a championship. It's not over until they are mathematically eliminated.

You probably started writing that post after the first quarter. It makes no sense to come on here and write that after one loss, it's just ridiculous.[/quote]

I don't get upset or overreact, again, I'm an Orioles fan. I was hoping maybe there'd be a discussion about the future of this franchise and the development of the core of our team. I felt this way in the preseason, and I'll feel this way when the season comes to an end.

[PuRock]

[quote name='bossman419' post='91522' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:44 PM']Absolutely correct. Some of you guys should not come on here right after a bad game and start talking about how bad everything is. Let yourselves comeback to your senses and then post.[/quote]

It was demoralizing. But it's only one game. It wasn't a must win. Let's regroup and get ready for next Sunday. A game at home.

[RavensIQ]

Don't get it twisted. Lets be real here. The game got out to a fast start for the Giants. They let the momentum carry them through the 1st half. 2nd half the Ravens settled down and got back to their game and started playing football. Then an unfortunate interception off of a deflection basically sealed the deal. I think this game was won mentally more so than another teams domination. The hype leading up to this game got into the Ravens heads and they made this game bigger than what it needed to be. A quick pick up rushing the ball and a converted long 3rd down syked the Ravens Defense out. I guarantee this game will be used to our advantage in terms of becoming a smarter team and being more mentally stronger. The Giants were the better team today but I still don't think the Ravens have anything to worry about. I'll definitely welcome a rematch and we might get it

[Ravnet]

[quote name='PuRock' post='91532' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:51 PM']It was demoralizing. But it's only one game. It wasn't a must win. Let's regroup and get ready for next Sunday. A game at home.[/quote]

Of course I want the Ravens to win, it's actually offensive that numerous people are insinuating that I get some kind of twisted joy out of a loss. Someone mentioned that I was being negative, but on the contrary, I'm probably the most optimistic person on this board in regards to our future. We're going to grow as a unit and develop sustained contention.

[72Marshall]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='91536' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:53 PM']Don't get it twisted. Lets be real here. The game got out to a fast start for the Giants. They let the momentum carry them through the 1st half. 2nd half the Ravens settled down and got back to their game and started playing football. Then an unfortunate interception off of a deflection basically sealed the deal. I think this game was won mentally more so than another teams domination. The hype leading up to this game got into the Ravens heads and they made this game bigger than what it needed to be. A quick pick up rushing the ball and a converted long 3rd down syked the Ravens Defense out. I guarantee this game will be used to our advantage in terms of becoming a smarter team and being more mentally stronger. The Giants were the better team today but I still don't think the Ravens have anything to worry about. I'll definitely welcome a rematch and we might get it [/quote]

You see this is a positive post, it does say stupid things about not being contenders, and we've only beat bottom feeders. It states the facts and looks for the silver lining.

I would have rather lost to the Giants then to Houston, The Browns or any of the other teams we beat. We lost to a good team on the road, this isn't a bad thing.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='91542' date='Nov 16 2008, 05:00 PM']You see this is a positive post, it does say stupid things about not being contenders, and we've only beat bottom feeders. It states the facts and looks for the silver lining.

I would have rather lost to the Giants then to Houston, The Browns or any of the other teams we beat. We lost to a good team on the road, this isn't a bad thing.[/quote]

And why do I have to be positive, again? I'll steal this from a post that I just made:

-The fact remains that we haven't beaten a single team with a winning record going into week twelve.
-We have the fifth hardest schedule in the NFL ahead of us.
-Our secondary has been decimated by injuries.
-A rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback do not instill confidence.
-Our special teams unit, sans Sam Koch, is flat out awful.

After carefully considering each of those issues, am I supposed to blindly think optimistically just because I want the team to win? I'm a fan, not a player, thinking positively isn't going to change a damn thing.

[RAVENS96]

if sand diego holds on then that loss for us means nothing - to me it means nothing anyway - we are still in great shape and staring at a playoff berth, after we beat the eggles sunday we'll be 7-4 !
talking about 2010 2011 is nice but im thinking about and enjoying 2008-2009 !!!
ill enjoy 2011 in....2011

[72Marshall]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='91537' date='Nov 16 2008, 04:53 PM']Of course I want the Ravens to win, it's actually offensive that numerous people are insinuating that I get some kind of twisted joy out of a loss. Someone mentioned that I was being negative, but on the contrary, I'm probably the most optimistic person on this board in regards to our future. We're going to grow as a unit and develop sustained contention.[/quote]

The future is now, not in 2011/2012.

[RAVENS96]

heres my thoughts on an earlier post.....


-The fact remains that we haven't beaten a single team with a winning record going into week twelve. -[i][/i]we will beginning sunday !!


-We have the fifth hardest schedule in the NFL ahead of us.[i][/i]makes those wins sweeter !!

-Our secondary has been decimated by injuries.[i][/i]again makes the wins that much better shows we have character

-A rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback do not instill confidence.[i][/i]thats odd i feel more cinfident about our offense than ever!


-Our special teams unit, sans Sam Koch, is flat out awful.[i][/i]that may be a valid point