I hate to say it, but Pierce should have more carries than Rice
Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:44 AM
Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:48 AM
Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:16 PM
Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:16 PM
"It's like somebody created him on Madden." - Jacoby Jones on Joe Flacco
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:17 PM
Edited by llwillow1231, 11 January 2013 - 01:59 PM.
Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:18 PM
Those are their current roles.
Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:44 PM
Pierce and Rice have a perfect formula right now and I'd like to leave it as -is until at least next season and probably after. I think they both function better rotating.
Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:55 PM
It seems this the Ravens blocking scheme fits Pierce's running style to a tee.
I've always said when players come to camp there should be competition for every job and I always believe no Raven player is more important than the team.
Go Ray, Go Pierce, Go Ravens!!!
Edited by Hardbaugh, 11 January 2013 - 01:59 PM.
"It's obvious to anyone who has played this game that this guy is not thinking" ~ Wally Williams on Joe Flacco , 11/11/13 105.7 the fan.
" -- they want to make Joe Flacco a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. He’s not that type of guy. He’s a system type of guy " ~ Ray Lewis ESPN 11/25/13
"The Ravens also need to light a little fire under both Flacco and Rice . Flacco needs to work with the receivers more during the offseason instead of just waiting for occasional minicamps" - Mike Preston 1/2/2014
Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:14 PM
Agreed and agreed...
The discussion is only going to get worse in the next two years, when Ray Rice gets older and Bernard Pierce finds his stride. I can easily seeing so many topics getting closed and merged, just because this debate will never stop (in the near future).
The way I look at it? Well, Rice and Pierce are very different running backs; both complement each other real nicely. Rice is a better blocker, is nearly unstoppable when catching the football (since he avoids the defensive linemen) and, if given the proper blocking and lane, he can run with the football for huge gains once he cuts it to the outside and uses his speed. Pierce, on the other hand, is a bigger back and stands a better chance of actually being able to pound the football. Pierce also has a freakish athletic ability, allowing him to hurdle over defenders or escaping and picking-up yards after receiving contact.
Basically, like we saw on Sunday, if Ray Rice struggles (which he only did by fumbling twice, otherwise he had a solid game), John Harbaugh has no problem putting Bernard Pierce in. But, just imagine if Rice and Pierce lined-up, together, in some kind of split-backs formation; talk about endless possibilities...
They are both integral pieces of this Ravens offense. With that said, I personally LOVE seeing power backs work.
But I think the core of this discussion comes down to "Hey! Where is that Ray Rice that we all watched squeak around like a mouse between defenders legs? That guy who could put a hand on the ground then turn that into some kind of explosive propulsion for 10 more yards?"
I think its safe to say that Rice has proven himself as a premier running back, but maybe is close to peaking... Running backs do have a short shelf life in this league...
Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:20 PM
Im hoping to see a lot of single back looks with 2 TEs to force mismatches against the questionable Broncos LBs. If they stay in base then we hit Pitta or Dickson over the middle on on a nice PA boot. If they sub then run it right at them.
Hop on board the Draft Odell Beckham JR Bandwagon! Taking all comers!
Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:47 PM
I think a productive Rice early will dicate rushing plays. IMO, Rice will have a great game.
Edited by baltravens, 11 January 2013 - 02:48 PM.
Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:49 PM
Edited by ravensfan520, 11 January 2013 - 03:52 PM.
Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:53 PM
This game is really going to need both of these guys. I am not concerned with the amount of carries or targetting a number.
Both are lethal
Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:04 PM
Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:42 PM
Not sure why it has to be one or the other. Both guys fit the offense and what the Ravens wanna do, but more importantly, Caldwell is using both very effectively. The Ravens have to attack that defense and not let up. Why make it easy for the Broncos, make them defend both.
Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:35 PM
Pierce has earned the trust of the coaching staff to receive extended handoffs in a drive when he plays well. We can't just avoid Rice. The duo is working so don't fix what isn't broken.
Edited by dhstandard, 11 January 2013 - 06:36 PM.
Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:31 PM
I agree about Rice being a "boom or bust" running back. There's no denying he has more natural talent than most running backs. But, one thing he severely lacks is patience. Get him in the open field, and he's the guy you want. But, if we're playing a time-of-possesssion/field position game, I trust Pierce to consistently pick up 3-5 yards a carry while Rice will carry a bunch of one-yard gains before finally getting a ten-yarder. Pierce, has that patience, and we've seen him make something out of nothing when it looks like a sure loss, and he gets back to the line of scrimmage. Very few negative plays from Bernard Pierce. That's huge.
Both guys need touches. I'd love for every game to look like it did last week, with each guy getting 13-15 carries (although, I'd rather see them combine for more than 28 carries). I hope both guys can stay healthy so we can see what this team looks like next year with both guys getting significant carries throughout the year. Rice might drop down to around 1000 yards on the year, but I think Pierce would get much closer to it. Two 1000 yard rushers would make this offense, dare I say, consistent (read: nearly unstoppable).
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