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Have You Lost Confidence in Ray Rice?

Have You Lost Confidence in Ray Rice   78 members have voted

  1. 1. Have You Lost Confidence in Ray Rice?

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Let me start out this thread by saying that[b] I have not lost any confidence in Ray Rice[/b].

Looking over the boards, I see a lot of people hating on RR27, and announcing that Pierce is the new coming of Jesus, and that we should be feeding him the ball as much as possible.

So, on that note, I wanted to start a thread to see if people have, or are beginning to lose any of their confidence in our running back.

I rewatched the entire Colts game last night, and to be honest, I can't really see where the Ray Rice hating is coming from. Everyone seems to forget the play in the end of the first half where Ray Rice ran for 47 yards, ending up on the Colts 2 yard line, that set up our first touchdown of the game. This clearly swung the momentum towards us (even though our defense allowed the Colts to march down the field and score a FG on the subsequent drive) and without it, I think the game could have ended very differently.

So, anyway. If you have lost confidence in Rice, why? One big reason could be his 2 fumbles (even though one was incorrectly called as being recovered by Indy), but other than that, I don't really see any reason for all the hate.


EDIT: Also, for clarity's sake, I voted for "No - You're Stupid". I guess it's going to be one of those self-deprecating days.
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No not losing confidence in Ray at all. He is still the dynamic playmaker he always was. However, I do have a serious man crush on Pierce. That guy is absolute money so far. I like Ray as more of an all around player, getting him involved in the passing game more, once he is in space, its over. However Pierce as a between the tackles down hill runner... tough to get much better than he has been. So all in all, no I have not lost confidence in Ray, although he has not come up very big in the playoffs, and he could have very well have cost us the game last week with those fumbles.
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It's not that I lost confidence, it's just with the cap and how he's been playing I feel like there were better ways to spend that money.
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Pierce is a better rusher, he fits well as a one cut guy because he generates huge momentum and breaks a lot of tackles.

With that said unless he becomes a good receiver and blocker then Rice should remain the starter, being able to pass on early downs makes us less predictable.
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[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1357829407' post='1300486']
i really like the second part of the "No" answer
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Haha. I probably should have put two different "No" answers - but figured that would suffice.
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I haven't lost confidence in Rice because I don't see him as an elite RB. He's really good at rushing, but I've seen him stutter quite a bit and become impatient. He is, however, an elite RB in terms of receptions. So, no, my confidence in him is the same.

He's still a big part of our offense.
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Simply put, no. He's a playmaker, complete running back and a big part of the offense. A couple of fluke fumbles won't make me lose confidence when he's not really a fumbler.
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[indent=1]I love RR and his big play capabilities, but I can't say that I have ever been fully confident in him getting the tough yards like a 3rd and one. With the emergence of Pierce and his downhill running style, our backfield has definately been upgraded.[/indent]
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The results will be almost as skewed as the "Retire #52?" thread.

No. Rice is awesome. Have we forgotten what this kid does in open space? 4th and 29 anyone???
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No but Pierce is becoming the better runner, but Rice is still dynamic in every aspect of the game. He will not fumble again like the colts game so thats a plus.
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Rice is the better receiver and probably a more dynamic playmaker (currently). Pierce has appeared to have less indecision in his running and is running harder for more yards than rice, he also is a much better blocker than rice, who is absolute garbage in that department.
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As a rusher, I'm beginning to lose faith in him. He just doesn't run with any sense of authority. He goes down easily, he tap dances to the hole, and has a tendency to disappear several games a year.

That being said, he leaves me in awe and amazement as a receiving back. The things he does in the open field are mind blowing. He's truly remarkable in the open field.

His blocking has improved a little bit from last year; I'll give him that.

As a whole, no. I haven't lost faith in him, but I would like him to be the explosive runner that he was in 2009. He hasn't run like that consistently since 2009.
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It does seem like Rice gets stopped for little or no gain more often than Pierce does. He seems to get his yardage in chunks which can make it difficult to sustain drives.
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[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1357837614' post='1300584']
Rice is the better receiver and probably a more dynamic playmaker (currently). Pierce has appeared to have less indecision in his running and is running harder for more yards than rice, he also is a much better blocker than rice, who is absolute garbage in that department.
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Pierce is definitely not a better blocker. Im not sure where that comes from...he let up like 3 pressures just in the last game alone. Rice isnt great as a blocker but at least he is a dynamic receiving option which Pierce is far from.

I definitely have not lost faith in Rice. He is an important cog in our offense and is still our best playmaker. I do like the timeshare with Pierce though because it keeps Rice fresh and forces the D to respect our running game every single snap. Pierce is a great #2 RB, possibly the best in the league right now.
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What if... Ray Rice held the ball loose on purpose so Broncos defenders would spend more time trying to punch it out rather than tackle him so he could gain more yards?






j/k j/k, that'd be stupid... right? :-)
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Here is my answer...

Skip it to 1:03

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIijBLnIKDI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIijBLnIKDI[/url]
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Absolutely not. To put it simply, Ray Rice is our best player. He keeps our offense afloat when everyone else around him underachieves and it's a proven fact that when we give him the ball, we churn out wins. Also, some say that they are tired of seeing Rice stopped at the somewhere near the LOS when the run play doesn't work but I've noticed with Pierce that when his run gets stuffed, he usually ends up losing 3-5 yards. Irrelevant fact, but just something to think about for those concerned about that particular subject. Ray Rice is rarely dropped for a loss.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1357828841' post='1300479']
It's not that I lost confidence, it's just with the cap and how he's been playing I feel like there were better ways to spend that money.
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good stuff. i been sayin that since way back when, you make your name in the playoffs, and rice has been fumbling in the playoffs at key moments in games (indy 10, pit 11) , and has not produced. wat saved us is our defense, like usual, and that flacco didnt have any to's. i been said rice is basically a bust, he's an avg running back, we should have waived him. when teams start franchising you, and you hold out and you really havent done anything in the playoffs, then get extended, you don't hang around much after. and RB's a easy finds really, if a guy can run a 4.5 and bench 315, he can play running back. look at morris in washington, 6th rounder.
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I honestly hate that this is even a question. Ray Rice is arguable a top 3 running back in this league as a total package and I have heard numerous ravens fans considering the idea of trading him? You don't trade a pro bowler just because a rookie in the same position has shown upside. I for one love pierce, but I love and trust Rice more. Having both of them, as well as leach in our backfield is just a bonus. No need to trade any of them, when you can have them all.
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[quote name='zac_fuller' timestamp='1357863318' post='1301080']
I honestly hate that this is even a question. Ray Rice is arguable a top 3 running back in this league as a total package and I have heard numerous ravens fans considering the idea of trading him? You don't trade a pro bowler just because a rookie in the same position has shown upside. I for one love pierce, but I love and trust Rice more. Having both of them, as well as leach in our backfield is just a bonus. No need to trade any of them, when you can have them all.
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I would never trade Rice...... Unless if it was a Herschel Warker esq trade where we could get TONS of stuff.
I like them all, Pierce is a better runner though
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1357863688' post='1301085']
I would never trade Rice...... Unless if it was a Herschel Warker esq trade where we could get TONS of stuff.
I like them all, Pierce is a better runner though
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I agree that pierce is a better runner, but as an overall player, I think we can both agree that Rice is on another level
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[quote name='zac_fuller' timestamp='1357863789' post='1301087']
I agree that pierce is a better runner, but as an overall player, I think we can both agree that Rice is on another level
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Oh hell yeah. No questions asked. If Pierce works on his reciving skills, look out
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1357863954' post='1301091']
Oh hell yeah. No questions asked. If Pierce works on his reciving skills, look out
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That would be a nastyyyy backfield
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