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[Defence_Is_Salvation]

In relation to my last post, where I stated we'll stay put, I'm now looking at an alternative. This being, trading down as we don't quite fulfill a need based on the value of our pick.

We will be picking between 23-32.

We are not in the market for a quarterback of which there will be several targeted early in the second and will likely be the catalyst for such a trade to take place. However, as we saw in the 2011 draft, Day 2 Prospects might be selected in the top 15.

33. Jacksonville Jaguars
34. Kansas City Chiefs
38. Arizona Cardinals
39. New York Jets
41. Buffalo Bills

All of the above teams do not have a starting caliber quarterback. I think only Geno Smith will be taken before us. This is an uproven quarterback class.

The next five quarterbacks:
(After Geno Smith)
1. Matt Barkley, USC
2. Tyler Wilson, Arkansas
3. Tyler Bray, Tennessee
4. Landry Jones, Oklahoma
5. Tajh Boyd, Clemson

At most only two of those teams are likely to trade up as once they have played their hand, the remaining teams on the list can sit back and wait for one of these QBs.

For the record, I think Boyd could be a reach there but we've seen even third round players do okay.

Does anyone have any thoughts about which of those teams would be open to trade?

I think with new regimes we could see them make plays. I think KC and Buffalo could be viable trading partners. Especially since KC would be epicly reaching if they took a QB with #1 overall.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Oakland. They too stupid...

[Defence_Is_Salvation]

Oakland. They too stupid...

Haha while I think Carson Palmer might be a cap casualty. They could always sign Michael Vick or start Terrelle Pryor. OSU FTW.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Haha while I think Carson Palmer might be a cap casualty. They could always sign Michael Vick or start Terrelle Pryor. OSU FTW.

Pryor is too raw... Will not be a good QB in the NFL. They want EJ Manuel or whatever his name is
Think that he's gonna be a superstar

[gabefergy]

hmm. It's hard to say, but I certainly wouldnt mind a trade back approach with all the front 7 talent in this draft. An extra pick or two would be great to either trade back up or get another player.

I would throw Mike Glennon in that list of QBs though. Possibly as high as 3rd or 4th off the board. I think Tyler Wilson goes in the first round as well.

[Defence_Is_Salvation]

Pryor is too raw... Will not be a good QB in the NFL. They want EJ Manuel or whatever his name is
Think that he's gonna be a superstar

Haha trade partner determined them.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Haha trade partner determined them.

A swap of firsts sounds fair right? I mean we are talking about Oakland here.

[CalvinSmoke]

Pryor is too raw... Will not be a good QB in the NFL. They want EJ Manuel or whatever his name is
Think that he's gonna be a superstar

played ball with E.J. has to have the strongest arm I've seen in person. I dont know about the new Oakland regime, but the old one with Al Davis would have been all over him

[Mr. Irrelevant]

played ball with E.J. has to have the strongest arm I've seen in person. I dont know about the new Oakland regime, but the old one with Al Davis would have been all over him

Ok, I got it, we give them a second rounder for their first(highway Roberry FTW) this year, and next years first and second and we take
This year
Jockell
Patterson

Highway Robbedy FTW!

Oh, and Houston take EJ before their pick

[Sizzlebshu]

On a serious note, I think the Bills are our best trade partner. My reasoning is that I expect Geno Smith to go #1 overall to KC. Andy Reid is going to want his own qb and the new regime has the job of replacing matt cassel. Geno is the exact type of qb Reid likes.

Buffalo picking in the top 10 will not want to reach and will likely take either a linebacker or the best wide receiver on the board. While Buddy Nix said he intends to draft a QB, I cant see him reaching this much given how weak the class is. KC will reach only because Reid and their situation will force their hand.

Buffalo will then try to trade back in to grab the next best qb on the board and at 26 or 27 we are the perfect trade partner. We could acquire their second and 4th most likely.Tha

That being said, however, I would not like this move because I personally dont think this draft is as deep talent wise as you guys believe it is. I dont think there will be decent talent on the board when we pick in round four or even when the bills pick in the early fourth and I expect Ozzie and the scouting department to go look at small school talent and work their usual magic.

Edited by Sizzlebshu, 05 January 2013 - 12:41 AM.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

On a serious note, I think the Bills are our best trade partner. My reasoning is that I expect Geno Smith to go #1 overall to KC. Andy Reid is going to want his own qb and the new regime has the job of replacing matt cassel. Geno is the exact type of qb Reid likes.

Buffalo picking in the top 10 will not want to reach and will likely take either a linebacker or the best wide receiver on the board. While Buddy Nix said he intends to draft a QB, I cant see him reaching this much given how weak the class is. KC will reach only because Reid and their situation will force their hand.

Buffalo will then try to trade back in to grab the next best qb on the board and at 26 or 27 we are the perfect trade partner. We could acquire their second and 4th most likely.

So we could take a Lewnan? I'm in for that (cough cough, still want Jarvis Jones)

[Sizzlebshu]

So we could take a Lewnan? I'm in for that (cough cough, still want Jarvis Jones)

Who doesnt but I wonder where we'd put Jarvis. It would make Upshaw a waste almost.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Who doesnt but I wonder where we'd put Jarvis. It would make Upshaw a waste almost.

Good point! Hawkins will probably be there. THAT'S a good pick!

[Sizzlebshu]

Good point! Hawkins will probably be there. THAT'S a good pick!

I personally think we need a DT or DE (depending on what we want to do with Ngata) that can really wreak havoc. I suppose with Jarvis we could do the following alignment

Stick Ngata at DT Suggs at DE and rotate Art Jones and Mcphee or some combination of this formation (Ngata and Suggs at the ends with Cody/whoever at DT). Then stick upshaw and jarvis on the outside. Then in our 4-3 alignment Jones can stick his hand in the dirt and rush the passer along with Ngata and Suggs.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I personally think we need a DT or DE (depending on what we want to do with Ngata) that can really wreak havoc. I suppose with Jarvis we could do the following alignment

Stick Ngata at DT Suggs at DE and rotate Art Jones and Mcphee or some combination of this formation (Ngata and Suggs at the ends with Cody/whoever at DT). Then stick upshaw and jarvis on the outside. Then in our 4-3 alignment Jones can stick his hand in the dirt and rush the passer along with Ngata and Suggs.

We don't have a good enough MLB

Our options if we trade to that pick will probably be
Teo
Mingo
Hawkins
Dee
Lewnan
Allen
All in which are important needs for us as a team.
Personally I think we go after Albert in free agency and get him, and we get him. Leaving our top needs to be
DT
MLB
WR

So I propose that we do this it we get into that situation

Ravens recive
Bills 2013 First Round Pick
Bills 2013 2nd Round Pick

Bills get
Ravens 2013 First Round Pick
Ravens 2013 Third Round Pick

So in this position we would do this
Round One
Jonathan Hawkins
Round Two (Bills) Robert Woods
Round Two Authur Brown.
This is the scenario you suggested. That's a damn good draft too

[Cville-Raven]

We don't have a good enough MLB

Our options if we trade to that pick will probably be
Teo
Mingo
Hawkins
Dee
Lewnan
Allen
All in which are important needs for us as a team.
Personally I think we go after Albert in free agency and get him, and we get him. Leaving our top needs to be
DT
MLB
WR

So I propose that we do this it we get into that situation

Ravens recive
Bills 2013 First Round Pick
Bills 2013 2nd Round Pick

Bills get
Ravens 2013 First Round Pick
Ravens 2013 Third Round Pick

So in this position we would do this
Round One
Jonathan Hawkins
Round Two (Bills) Robert Woods
Round Two Authur Brown.
This is the scenario you suggested. That's a damn good draft too

Definitely wouldn't mind taking Woods in the second since he will probably there. Decent size and speed combined with great route running and above average hands. He reminds a lot of Hakeem Nicks.

[Sizzlebshu]

We don't have a good enough MLB

Our options if we trade to that pick will probably be
Teo
Mingo
Hawkins
Dee
Lewnan
Allen
All in which are important needs for us as a team.
Personally I think we go after Albert in free agency and get him, and we get him. Leaving our top needs to be
DT
MLB
WR

So I propose that we do this it we get into that situation

Ravens recive
Bills 2013 First Round Pick
Bills 2013 2nd Round Pick

Bills get
Ravens 2013 First Round Pick
Ravens 2013 Third Round Pick

So in this position we would do this
Round One
Jonathan Hawkins
Round Two (Bills) Robert Woods
Round Two Authur Brown.
This is the scenario you suggested. That's a damn good draft too

Just wondering, how high are you lol? No seriously. The Bills arent giving up their first next year for a late first unless there is a tremendous talent there. To prove it to you, we could barely coax a 4th out of the vikings they honestly could have waited and probably got harrison smith at the top of the second.

Teo and Mingo will be gone within the top 10 and I expect Lewan to go before us in the first.

I dont expect Albert to hit FA and he will likely be tagged/signed long term.

Edited by Sizzlebshu, 05 January 2013 - 01:36 AM.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Just wondering, how high are you lol? No seriously. The Bills arent giving up their first next year for a late first unless there is a tremendous talent there. To prove it to you, we could barely coax a 4th out of the vikings they honestly could have waited and probably got harrison smith at the top of the second.

Teo and Mingo will be gone within the top 10 and I expect Lewan to go before us in the first.

I dont expect Albert to hit FA and he will likely be tagged/signed long term.

Imma be riding all of the waves man. Water man, yeah water
You propose we swap first rounders, I did what I read on one of your previous posts.... That was an unlikely scenario, pretty much like this entire thread

[Defence_Is_Salvation]

Imma be riding all of the waves man. Water man, yeah water
You propose we swap first rounders, I did what I read on one of your previous posts.... That was an unlikely scenario, pretty much like this entire thread

Troll.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Troll.

Nah, just young.... And incredibly tired.

But honestly, this situation is rather unlikely. As much as I want a trade to happen, Oz is no Dimitroff.... There is no Julio Jones in this draft. I want to trade don't get me wrong, but the unlikeness is well, getting to me......

You haven't been to RT yet have you? That's where the real trolls hang around. Me, call me rather misinformed, but really, who knows what's going on inside ozzies mind?

Troll is someone who does it for attention, I am a member on these boards and can state my opinion...... And even I'm reading my own comments and slapping myself in the head! Have a good day!