Luck Or Flacco?!

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1357354351' post='1289910']
Its nice to bash a player when you say you "never saw him play" and only go by stats. If you noticed, I didn't bash Flacco who is very well a beast of his own but who also had his ups and downs. Luck who you never saw play was sacked 40 plus times, took multiple hits but still got up to only help lead his team to 11 wins. Also may I add playing with multiple rookies or first time players for the Colts. The kids is good, to not see that is just foolish.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Have you seen Joe's O-Line? God, I hope they look as good as they did against the Giants. If they play like that, the Colts will have no chance.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Out of curiousity, you originally from Indiana? Why is a PA guy a Colts fan? I'm interested.[/i][/font]

[funky141]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1357355821' post='1289919']
Oh, look whose jimmies are all rustled. How is what I asked bashing? I merely asked because from what I've seen in highlights and some games, he did most of that to himself! I haven't watched many Skins games either, but RGIII is obviously the real deal. Flacco has had five seasons and I've watched every game, but I wasn't talking about him at all, so why bring him up? I HAVE seen Luck play, I said I haven't seen much. It's all well and good that he and other rookies stepped up, but how is that any indication that he'll be a great QB in the future? It's not. It's one season. Last year Cam Newton was all the rage and his team is obviously worse than the Colts. This year, it's Andrew Luck. Not passing a death's knell on the guy, but come on.
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Cam Newton is all about "me", he was last year and is this year. He will not win a Super Bowl being like that.

[funky141]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1357356604' post='1289929']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Have you seen Joe's O-Line? God, I hope they look as good as they did against the Giants. If they play like that, the Colts will have no chance.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Out of curiousity, you originally from Indiana? Why is a PA guy a Colts fan? I'm interested.[/i][/font]
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No, a hour's north of Baltimore.

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1357356668' post='1289932']
No, a hour's north of Baltimore.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Oh.. dear god.. *LOL* Just realized who I was talking to. *LOL* Didn't even look at your post count. I just thought you were a Colts' troll here for the weekend. *smh*[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Sorry man.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]*stupid stupid stupid*[/i][/font]

[flynismo]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1357356535' post='1289928']
Did you ever think those mistakes maybe because of a struggling O-line, a rookie WR running the wrong route or Luck forced to pass more because the run game has stalled. Of course some of those INT are the QB fought as well but there is more to the story than looking at stats and then making a assessment of the guy. That's my point I guess. No hard feeling but just needed to get that out there.
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Well, from I've seen, which isn't a whole lot, but a lot of his mistakes are his own doing.
But the kid is a rookie, so it's foolish to hold him to unrealistic expectations, or to bash him for doing what rookies do, or to compare him to veteran QBs.

I think he'll be a great QB in time; but I can't take him over any established *quality* starter just yet.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1357356535' post='1289928']
Did you ever think those mistakes maybe because of a struggling O-line, a rookie WR running the wrong route or Luck forced to pass more because the run game has stalled. Of course some of those INT are the QB fought as well but there is more to the story than looking at stats and then making a assessment of the guy. That's my point I guess. No hard feeling but just needed to get that out there.
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I think Luck has had a very good season all things considered. He has shouldered a huge load and performed admirably. I just dont think he is ready to perform on the biggest stage. He could come out and prove me wrong, but the stats would suggest that Luck and the Colts are in for a long day come Sunday.

[funky141]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1357356760' post='1289933']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Oh.. dear god.. *LOL* Just realized who I was talking to. *LOL* Didn't even look at your post count. I just thought you were a Colts' troll here for the weekend. *smh*[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Sorry man.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]*stupid stupid stupid*[/i][/font]
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No problem..

[funky141]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1357356824' post='1289935']
I think Luck has had a very good season all things considered. He has shouldered a huge load and performed admirably. I just dont think he is ready to perform on the biggest stage. He could come out and prove me wrong, but the stats would suggest that Luck and the Colts are in for a long day come Sunday.
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Yes very true, but I hoping Pagano has them prepared and ready

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1357356760' post='1289933']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Oh.. dear god.. *LOL* Just realized who I was talking to. *LOL* Didn't even look at your post count. I just thought you were a Colts' troll here for the weekend. *smh*[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Sorry man.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]*stupid stupid stupid*[/i][/font]
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Nah, either way he will be happy......Either way he wins

[Alexir]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1357342063' post='1289702']
His yards are better bc he has no run game to help him whatsoever.
Luck will be better than Joe in a few years. That's the point. Luck is a special QB prospect
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People just look at stats. They've probably never seen Luck play or the interceptions that have occurred. Andrew Luck has top 5 QB talent, like ive said, even Peyton struggled and Flacco would of struggled if he had been drafted first overall by the Colts and didn't have a 3 headed monster to lean on.

If you rather have Flacco, that is fine. But don't say Luck is bad because of his turnovers. His franchise asked a lot more of him than we did of Flacco in his first year....

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1357357177' post='1289941']
People just look at stats. They've probably never seen Luck play or the interceptions that have occurred. Andrew Luck has top 5 QB talent, like ive said, even Peyton struggled and Flacco would of struggled if he had been drafted first overall by the Colts and didn't have a 3 headed monster to lean on.

If you rather have Flacco, that is fine. But don't say Luck is bad because of his turnovers. His franchise asked a lot more of him than we did of Flacco in his first year....
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I agree, but if we are talking about who I would rather have Sunday the answer is Flacco for me. Long-term, I think Luck has more upside but he needs to prove he can get better before I say anything definitive.

[rlh445]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1357356621' post='1289930']
Cam Newton is all about "me", he was last year and is this year. He will not win a Super Bowl being like that.
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Ha, right! I wasn't talking about his attitude however, I was referring to how last year he was playing 'lights out' and had everyone buzzing about how he was going to be the next beastly thing. I and others on this board and others maintained that he would have to continue his excellence for more than one season before anyone crowned him. We ended up being right in that instance because it's only common sense. I was merely applying that train of thought to Luck's season this year. He was hardly as mind-blowing as Cam was last year and yet people are continually crowing the same exact things about him. Don't take it personally funky, I like you and am not just being a jerk; I just feel that ANY rookie coming into the NFL needs more than one year before people claim them the second coming. I'll say the same for Alfred Morris, and he's been quite the beast this year.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1357359571' post='1289966']
Ha, right! I wasn't talking about his attitude however, I was referring to how last year he was playing 'lights out' and had everyone buzzing about how he was going to be the next beastly thing. I and others on this board and others maintained that he would have to continue his excellence for more than one season before anyone crowned him. We ended up being right in that instance because it's only common sense. I was merely applying that train of thought to Luck's season this year. He was hardly as mind-blowing as Cam was last year and yet people are continually crowing the same exact things about him. Don't take it personally funky, I like you and am not just being a jerk; I just feel that ANY rookie coming into the NFL needs more than one year before people claim them the second coming. I'll say the same for Alfred Morris, and he's been quite the beast this year.
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Thank you.

I've seen so many Second Comings in the league now, this has to be purgatory.

I have no issue with Luck and I'm not talking about holding him to some ridiculous standard. I'm just talking about not holding the coronation until he's slayed a dragon.

[funky141]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1357361454' post='1289980']
Thank you.

I've seen so many Second Comings in the league now, this has to be purgatory.

I have no issue with Luck and I'm not talking about holding him to some ridiculous standard. I'm just talking about not holding the coronation until he's slayed a dragon.
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I can agree to all that... Luck's my QB of my team so I might praise a little more than the other guy, so to speak..

[wayne]

Why was this thread started in the first place?

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1357364026' post='1289990']
Why was this thread started in the first place?
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I originally thought that this thread said
The Fword or Llaco

Then I took a cold shower

[bauer77]

Flacco for now, and possibly the future. Luck has all the tools yes, but Flacco has the better all around team. It all depends (obviously) if the Colts ever do build up their defense again, and get a few more weapons around Luck.

[Alexir]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1357365833' post='1290004']
Ugh. No offense to the OP, but are these threads ever going to stop? Probably not, so idk why i even bother asking. lol.

Flacco.
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Based on an ESPN segment. Go back and read the first post.

[bauer77]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1357366456' post='1290008']
Based on an ESPN segment. Go back and read the first post.
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Ah ok. I kind of skipped over the first few pages completely, and just thought it was just like a hypothetical thing.

[ellicottraven]

Flacco now, but Luck starting next year! Luck is a cerebral QB with all the tools needed! Joe may have it, but is yet to surface after 5 yrs.... so I'll stick with Joe this year, but, if offered Luck in exchange next year, will accept him with open arms as will all of you I hope...

[ellicottraven]

Flacco now, but Luck starting next year! Luck is a cerebral QB with all the tools needed! Joe may have it, but is yet to surface after 5 yrs.... so I'll stick with Joe this year, but, if offered Luck in exchange next year, will accept him with open arms as will all of you I hope...

[ellicottraven]

Flacco now, but Luck starting next year! Luck is a cerebral QB with all the tools needed! Joe may have it, but is yet to surface after 5 yrs.... so I'll stick with Joe this year, but, if offered Luck in exchange next year, will accept him with open arms as will all of you I hope...

[ellicottraven]

Flacco now, but Luck starting next year! Luck is a cerebral QB with all the tools needed! Joe may have it, but is yet to surface after 5 yrs.... so I'll stick with Joe this year, but, if offered Luck in exchange next year, will accept him with open arms as will all of you I hope...

[IMissMattStover]

No way man, Joe hands down. Becoming the only QB ever to reach playoffs 5 years out of 5 isnt an accident.

[ZIBBY28]

tomorrow... gimme Flacco.

Future?... Luck, and it's not even close. I'm not one of those die-hard Flacco haters, but c'mannnn.

p.s. After going back to the main forum screen, it made me wonder if the Colts have an "I Want Tyrod Taylor!" thread on their message board...

[ratedr]

Flacco tomorrow, Luck in the future.

Though I'm taking Wilson and RGIII over Luck anyday.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1357344956' post='1289764']
[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Wait... I thought the measure of a QB was by his ability to win the Super Bowl? Doesn't matter if he plays LIKE Manning, Brady, Brees or Rodgers... he has to win a Super Bowl to be allowed in the conversation, right?[/font][/i]

[b][i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Then Luck will never be in that conversation because look at what Manning had to go through with that franchise and he was only able to secure one ring.[/font][/i][/b]

[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]If Luck wins a Super Bowl in the next 10-years, I'd be surprised. If doesn't win one at all, I wouldn't be surprised.[/font][/i]

[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Football is about 53-men -- not just one. Flacco has a solid team to support him. Luck's team will be just like Peyton's, built around him as the main cog, so when he goes down -- the wheels come off.[/font][/i]

[font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif][i]I'm going with Flacco. [/i][/font]
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I love pointing this out, but Manning was complete GARBAGE in that 2006-2007 postseason. He had one good game against the Chiefs, then proceeded to suck it up against us (especially), the Patriots, and even in the Superbowl against the Bears. His defense and run game came up big for him in those three games - first against us because McNair couldn't do anything, then with a big time comeback against the Patriots where they intercepted Brady late in the game, then twice against Rex Grossman. Peyton finished with 4 TDs and 7 picks in that postseason, but his TEAM still won the whole thing.

[raybaby]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1357461161' post='1291462']
p.s. After going back to the main forum screen, it made me wonder if the Colts have an "I Want Tyrod Taylor!" thread on their message board...
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It's his first season on the team... hm seems like a great question. I mean we totally had that thread in Joe's rookie year

[callahan09]

I trust Flacco for today's game, I'm just not sure how much I trust Caldwell. I loved what I saw against the Giants, that gave me some faith in him. I hated what I saw against Denver, but it didn't shake my faith in him considering it was his first game and he had no time to prepare. I couldn't get a read on what I saw in Cincy because when the first team was out there, they were killing themselves, and then when the second team was out there I wasn't sure if what I was seeing was due to Caldwell and his plan or due to the lack of skill of the backup players.

I just know one thing: Cam ALWAYS put together a great game plan when he had ample time to do so. First games of the year, following a bye week, etc. I believe our offense would have played this game perfectly under Cam, given that history. I'm not sure yet if Caldwell is as good at putting together a plan when he has that much time.

This is not a praise for Cam, by the way. Or an insult to Caldwell. It's actually a negative for Cam, because we know what this offense is ALWAYS capable of, but he was only ever to bring that out of the unit when given extra time to prepare. When given extra time, Cam had a huge upside in his game planning ability. When he had normal time, or short time, he was terrible. Caldwell's floor is probably nowhere near as low as Cam's, but is his ceiling as high?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1357461161' post='1291462']
tomorrow... gimme Flacco.

Future?... Luck, and it's not even close. I'm not one of those die-hard Flacco haters, but c'mannnn.

p.s. After going back to the main forum screen, it made me wonder if[b] the Colts have an "I Want Tyrod Taylor!"[/b] thread on their message board...
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Well, I'd think not given his showing in his few opportunities and , you know, he's not on their team.

Have no idea what that has to do with anything because in the end, it isn't even about Joe. The argument for our back-up was pretty quiet with Bulger here and just as loud when Troy Smith was here. It isn't about Joe for most calling for our back-up. It is about that Vickesque QB that they want the Ravens to have as their starter.