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[tctony]

Found this on Reddit

http://www.reddit.co...omments/15x3o2/

Funny that we're still #2, even though a lot of complain we still don't use it enough!

Edit: Here are the graphs themselves:

Total no huddle plays:
Percentage of plays ran in no huddle:
Data going back all the way to 2002, really interesting to see us still near the top:
Percentage of 2002-2010 plays:

Edited by tctony, 04 January 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[CosmicRedPanda]

That is some very interesting data.

It shows we are using it quite a bit more than we think, however I think one of the main arguments has always been that we use it and then come "put-up or shut-up" time in the fourth-quarter, we tend to play "safe" instead of playing to win... and it's indicative of that as well. Then again, it's not showing all the data. One would have to look up what the score was at the beginning and end of each quarter to show if it was working or not, etc.

I do like the fact it shows that we are still running the ball quite a bit of out of the no-huddle, for those that don't think we do.

Edited by CosmicRedPanda, 04 January 2013 - 11:55 AM.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Good post, hope to see those numbers remain relevant in the playoffs

Edited by BALTIMOREFLACCO, 04 January 2013 - 12:38 PM.

[tctony]

That is some very interesting data.

It shows we are using it quite a bit more than we think, however I think one of the main arguments has always been that we use it and then come "put-up or shut-up" time in the fourth-quarter, we tend to play "safe" instead of playing to win... and it's indicative of that as well. Then again, it's not showing all the data. One would have to look up what the score was at the beginning and end of each quarter to show if it was working or not, etc.

I do like the fact it shows that we are still running the ball quite a bit of out of the no-huddle, for those that don't think we do.

Someone in the thread said they were going to try to tally up Joe's stats in the huddle vs the no huddle and see if anything interesting arises. I'll keep an eye on that.

[CosmicRedPanda]

Someone in the thread said they were going to try to tally up Joe's stats in the huddle vs the no huddle and see if anything interesting arises. I'll keep an eye on that.

I bookmarked the link, so... if you see it before I do, post it here, would ya?

[hawkprey]

I did stats on our no-huddle drives (using my own metric as to what counts as a no-huddle drive) and did it for the Pats too as a control. If I decide to do it for more teams I'll post it. I guess GB would be a good team since they used it a lot as well.

I've been arguing for more-no huddle all year. Even though we run it the 2nd most apparently, when we don't the O is anemic.

Edited by hawkprey, 04 January 2013 - 03:11 PM.

[The Raven]

I think the graph, like most graphs, is misleading.

Most of our no huddle plays came in blow out wins against Cincy and Oakland, while the no huddle was used sparingly in other games. Our no huddle, other than our few blow outs, is mainly used in two minute situations.

What I'm saying is that while we do have a high percentage of no huddle plays, our no huddle is used inconsistently. It's used a lot in some games, and not at all in others.

[arnie_uk]

There is absolutely no way we have used the no huddle fourth or 5th most the past 10 years. It's not possible. I think there data is wrong.

[K-Dog]

I woulda never guessed.

[gabefergy]

Everything on the internet is true right? Especially the stuff from random ppl on reddit.

[ravens__]

Everything on the internet is true right? Especially the stuff from random ppl on reddit.

I thought the same thing initially but the guy who posted it there got it off Advanced NFL Stats, which is a legit site.

With that being said, there's just no way we rank anywhere close to where this graph says we do during that 10-year stretch, as arnie said.

[gabefergy]

Shouldnt Denver be at the top of the list though? Peyton runs a ton of no-huddle. Atl too.

[ravens__]

Probably, yes. And there's no way NO is at the bottom 10 either.

Edited by ravens__, 04 January 2013 - 09:28 PM.

[gabefergy]

I tried to download the data and couldnt, so I cant really validate whether this is accurate or not. To me it doesnt pass the sniff test. We really didnt run that much no-huddle after the first 3-4 games of the season.

[tctony]

I tried to download the data and couldnt, so I cant really validate whether this is accurate or not. To me it doesnt pass the sniff test. We really didnt run that much no-huddle after the first 3-4 games of the season.

Probably, yes. And there's no way NO is at the bottom 10 either.

With that being said, there's just no way we rank anywhere close to where this graph says we do during that 10-year stretch, as arnie said.

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/04/play-by-play-data.html

Data is there.

How is there "NO WAY" other than peoples preconceived notions? Y'all just hatin'.

Denver is right there at 5. How many Saints games did you actually watch to verify that they run it so much?

Why would somebody go through the trouble to fabricate this data?

[tctony]

Interesting stuff about Flacco and the Raven's usage of the No Huddle from another poster

http://imgur.com/a/7Omkq

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/15x3o2/got_my_hands_on_2012_nfl_playbyplay_data_number/c7r5aj7

TL;DR: No huddle = good

I bookmarked the link, so... if you see it before I do, post it here, would ya?

[gabefergy]

http://www.advancedn...-play-data.html

Data is there.

How is there "NO WAY" other than peoples preconceived notions? Y'all just hatin'.

Denver is right there at 5. How many Saints games did you actually watch to verify that they run it so much?

Why would somebody go through the trouble to fabricate this data?

I tried opening the links to the data, but they wouldnt work for me for some reason. It seems that under Caldwell the no-huddle was brought back after Cam abandoned it.

I'm not saying anyone would fabricate the data intentionally, but that doesnt mean it is 100% accurate either.

[CosmicRedPanda]

Interesting stuff about Flacco and the Raven's usage of the No Huddle from another poster

http://imgur.com/a/7Omkq

http://www.reddit.co..._number/c7r5aj7

TL;DR: No huddle = good

Thanks for this! This is really really good stuff! I'll take a slightly higher INT rate for more TDs and better pocket protection.

[PurpleCorsair]

Could you show us a graph where it has number of no huddle plays as a percentage of total plays from scrimmage?

[Corvus]

There is absolutely no way we have used the no huddle fourth or 5th most the past 10 years. It's not possible. I think there data is wrong.

I'm inclined to agree. Had this been for the last year or two it would be more plausible. Not trying to say your data is wrong tony, its been quite a while so I'm probably wrong. But I don't recall very much no huddle when Boller, Wright, and McNair were under center...

Edited by Corvus, 05 January 2013 - 05:43 PM.