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How is the cap affected by Ray's retirement this offseason?

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What is the cap situation, how much space do we have with Ray gone? I want the actual number, I heard the we will have enough room to potentially sign a Jake Long, or a Dwayne Bowe, or DRC. I think we will get Joe the deal near identical to Shaub's deal, resign Ellerbe to a McClain esq deal, and resign Kruger. We are letting Cary walk, and probably cutting McKinnie and Williams. We also might cut Q

IF all the events were to happen who would we have room to get?
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I looked up the numbers for my first mock off-season, I'll find them again for you.

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Got it. Ray Lewis is scheduled to make $7.3 million on that horrible contract Ozzie made for him. His retirement frees up $5.4 million in cap space, with the $1.9 million in guaranteed money still counting against the cap. If nothing else changes, not factoring in Flacco's contract, that puts us at a roughly $101 million cap number while not having enough for a full roster. I'll do some more math for your scenarios, hopefully it will distract me from this Florida debacle.
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[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1357180794' post='1287615']
Save $4.35 million in 2013. I'm on my phone so don't have link but I posted it early on in the retirement thread.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1357180598' post='1287612']
I looked up the numbers for my first mock off-season, I'll find them again for you.

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Got it. Ray Lewis is scheduled to make $7.3 million on that horrible contract Ozzie made for him. His retirement frees up $5.4 million in cap space, with the $1.9 million in guaranteed money still counting against the cap. If nothing else changes, not factoring in Flacco's contract, that puts us at a roughly $101 million cap number while not having enough for a full roster. I'll do some more math for your scenarios, hopefully it will distract me from this Florida debacle.
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Thank you all! I think that we have enough to sign Joe to a HUGE contract and still get a Long, or a Bowe, or a Melton
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]We don't need another high profile receiver. We've got three very talented, very capable receivers -- not to mention Pitta who is looking more and more like the beast that used to be HEEEEAAAAP![/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Take that money and invest it in a Left Tackle -- preferable one whose entire skeletal system is made out of mimetic poly-alloy.[/i][/font]
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[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1357180794' post='1287615']
Save $4.35 million in 2013. I'm on my phone so don't have link but I posted it early on in the retirement thread.
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Your numbers are incorrect. I just checked mine with a different source (rotoworld). $5.4 is the correct number that is freed up.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1357181038' post='1287626']
Your numbers are incorrect. I just checked mine with a different source (rotoworld). $5.4 is the correct number that is freed up.
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I'm just going off what I read and in the end it's not much of a difference. I hope it is $5.4 as that gives us more to work with.
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1357180968' post='1287623']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]We don't need another high profile receiver. We've got three very talented, very capable receivers -- not to mention Pitta who is looking more and more like the beast that used to be HEEEEAAAAP![/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Take that money and invest it in a Left Tackle -- preferable one whose entire skeletal system is made out of mimetic poly-alloy.[/i][/font]
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IK, so sign Wolverine? IDK, that might get a tad expensive.
[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1357181038' post='1287626']
Your numbers are incorrect. I just checked mine with a different source (rotoworld). $5.4 is the correct number that is freed up.
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No good with the numbers, is it enough to get a Brandon Albert?
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See, I don't think Kruger returns. I like him and feel like he comes back before Williams but I think we roll the dice and let him walk. I think Ellerbe is more necessary than Kruger. I would personally rather sign a LT than Kruger. It would free us up in the draft big time. Pass rushers are also expensive.

I like Albert, but he might be tagged. If he does escape KC he is the kind of free agent Ozzie signs: a lesser-known guy, not the big-name. Ozzie won't go for Long.
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That ~4.5-5.0mill range sounds about the amount you would pay for both Kruger & Ellerbe.


Seems like it might work out for our FA's after all
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1357181194' post='1287632']
IK, so sign Wolverine? IDK, that might get a tad expensive.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Adamantium might be a little out of our price range. Although, that sounds like a cool name for a RB/FB in Madden: Adam Antium.[/i][/font]
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1357181484' post='1287638']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Adamantium might be a little out of our price range. Although, that sounds like a cool name for a RB/FB in Madden: Adam Antium.[/i][/font]
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He is 6'5, and runs a 4.2 30 at 250 pounds. BEST PLAYER EVER!
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I think Ellerbe will ask for more than McClain. I doubt cutting a few guys will get us Bowe or Long, not to mention, i don't really want Bowe. We don't need another high profile guy. Give our younger guys a chance.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1357180949' post='1287621']
Thank you all! I think that we have enough to sign Joe to a HUGE contract and still get a Long, or a Bowe, or a Melton
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First off, we're not signing Bowe or any other so called big name receiver. Second of all, no we don't in the current situation. Ellerbe is restricted I believe, so he's not going to be a big cap hit, but you're still dealing with roughly $24 million in cap space to work with as it stands, assuming an approximately $5 million cap increase like I did originally due to incoming TV deal money. That might not happen, and you could be working with closer to $20 million. At best, and this is not going to happen, Flacco takes half of that number. Now a Schaub type deal, which is definitely lower than Flacco is going to take, assuming I factored his bonuses in correctly, was about a $13 million cap hit, leaving $11 at best to fill the roster and sign the drat picks. More cuts will need to be made to sign a LT in free agency.

McKinnie is a free agent, so you can't cut him. Cutting Williams only frees up $1.2 million. To really get into play for a Jake Long, Boldin has to be cut to free up that $6 million. (EDIT: That's a best case scenario of about $31 million in cap space to play with before Flacco, for the record.)

It's certainly not impossible, I've proved that. It will take sacrifice, a lack of sentimentality (referring to Reed if he's foolish enough not to retire with Ray Lewis), and an aggressive approach to free agency that we've never really seen from Ozzie.

On a side note, who the heck thought it was a good idea to pay Jameel McClain $10.5 million dollars and dropping cap hits of over $4 million on the team in 2013 and 2014 for that guy? You might be able to argue to trust Ozzie in the draft, but when it comes to letting guys walk and not overpaying, or even getting contracts lined up, he leaves much to be desired.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1357181785' post='1287645']
First off, we're not signing Bowe or any other so called big name receiver. Second of all, no we don't in the current situation. Ellerbe is restricted I believe, so he's not going to be a big cap hit, but you're still dealing with roughly $24 million in cap space to work with as it stands, assuming an approximately $5 million cap increase like I did originally due to incoming TV deal money. That might not happen, and you could be working with closer to $20 million. At best, and this is not going to happen, Flacco takes half of that number. Now a Schaub type deal, which is definitely lower than Flacco is going to take, assuming I factored his bonuses in correctly, was about a $13 million cap hit, leaving $11 at best to fill the roster and sign the drat picks. More cuts will need to be made to sign a LT in free agency.

McKinnie is a free agent, so you can't cut him. Cutting Williams only frees up $1.2 million. To really get into play for a Jake Long, Boldin has to be cut to free up that $6 million. (EDIT: That's a best case scenario of about $31 million in cap space to play with before Flacco, for the record.)

It's certainly not impossible, I've proved that. It will take sacrifice, a lack of sentimentality (referring to Reed if he's foolish enough not to retire with Ray Lewis), and an aggressive approach to free agency that we've never really seen from Ozzie.

On a side note, who the heck thought it was a good idea to pay Jameel McClain $10.5 million dollars and dropping cap hits of over $4 million on the team in 2013 and 2014 for that guy? You might be able to argue to trust Ozzie in the draft, but when it comes to letting guys walk and not overpaying, or even getting contracts lined up, he leaves much to be desired.
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So no big name LT, or Albert, or anything....

Marcus McNeil?


Oz is one of the best in the NFL when it comes to drafting. IDK bout FA, but McNeil might be good pickup!

My point is we need a LT, anything but Oher, please! Other than LT, we can fill other needs in the draft!
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1357181288' post='1287635']
See, I don't think Kruger returns. I like him and feel like he comes back before Williams but I think we roll the dice and let him walk. I think Ellerbe is more necessary than Kruger. I would personally rather sign a LT than Kruger. It would free us up in the draft big time. Pass rushers are also expensive.

I like Albert, but he might be tagged. If he does escape KC he is the kind of free agent Ozzie signs: a lesser-known guy, not the big-name. Ozzie won't go for Long.
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I disagree about Kruger. He might walk because he could get a lot of money after a break-out season, but he is a big part part of the defense. if we let him go our pass-rush could become one of the worst in the league. Other than Suggs who do we have? A bunch of OLBs that have never done anything in the league. If we keep him at a fair price we could have one of the best OLB tandems in the NFL. Kruger and Ellerbe have to be the top priorities in the offseason, after Flacco of course.

As to the discrepancy in cap room saved by Ray retiring, I believe it can be attributed to the dead money that will be left on the deal due to him retiring early. There was some signing bonus that would have been pro-rated over the course of the contract but with him retiring that money might at least partially (or wholly) go against next year's cap.
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This is just because of the Ed Reed thread, but how much more money would we save if Ed Reed also retired as well?
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1357181785' post='1287645']


First off, we're not signing Bowe or any other so called big name receiver. Second of all, no we don't in the current situation. Ellerbe is restricted I believe, so he's not going to be a big cap hit, but you're still dealing with roughly $24 million in cap space to work with as it stands, assuming an approximately $5 million cap increase like I did originally due to incoming TV deal money. That might not happen, and you could be working with closer to $20 million. At best, and this is not going to happen, Flacco takes half of that number. Now a Schaub type deal, which is definitely lower than Flacco is going to take, assuming I factored his bonuses in correctly, was about a $13 million cap hit, leaving $11 at best to fill the roster and sign the drat picks. More cuts will need to be made to sign a LT in free agency.

McKinnie is a free agent, so you can't cut him. Cutting Williams only frees up $1.2 million. To really get into play for a Jake Long, Boldin has to be cut to free up that $6 million. (EDIT: That's a best case scenario of about $31 million in cap space to play with before Flacco, for the record.)

It's certainly not impossible, I've proved that. It will take sacrifice, a lack of sentimentality (referring to Reed if he's foolish enough not to retire with Ray Lewis), and an aggressive approach to free agency that we've never really seen from Ozzie.

On a side note, who the heck thought it was a good idea to pay Jameel McClain $10.5 million dollars and dropping cap hits of over $4 million on the team in 2013 and 2014 for that guy? You might be able to argue to trust Ozzie in the draft, but when it comes to letting guys walk and not overpaying, or even getting contracts lined up, he leaves much to be desired.
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I read on PFT that the cap was only going to go up about $400,000.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1357182523' post='1287652']
This is just because of the Ed Reed thread, but how much more money would we save if Ed Reed also retired as well?
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None, he is a FA anyway
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1357182523' post='1287652']
This is just because of the Ed Reed thread, but how much more money would we save if Ed Reed also retired as well?
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He is an FA so nothing I would think.
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[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1357182632' post='1287654']
I read on PFT that the cap was only going to go up about $400,000.
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Our cap?
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1357182223' post='1287646']

So no big name LT, or Albert, or anything....

Marcus McNeil?


Oz is one of the best in the NFL when it comes to drafting. IDK bout FA, but McNeil might be good pickup!

My point is we need a LT, anything but Oher, please! Other than LT, we can fill other needs in the draft!
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Didn't McNeil retire? I thought he did. As for McClain's deal, at the time I was not a fan of the deal. When Lewis went down with injury, I felt like I ate my words. Now I just don't know lol.

Anyone know what the cap hit will be if we cut McClain?
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1357182223' post='1287646']
So no big name LT, or Albert, or anything....

Marcus McNeil?


Oz is one of the best in the NFL when it comes to drafting. IDK bout FA, but McNeil might be good pickup!

My point is we need a LT, anything but Oher, please! Other than LT, we can fill other needs in the draft!
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If we do what I want to do, we can make a play for Long or Albert. It's more a matter of what does the FO want to do, and they tend to be more conservative than me. This is the same bunch of people who were talking about extending Oher a few weeks ago, they might not even recognize that there is a serious problem with the OL. It just amazes me, considering how Ozzie worked with Belichick and Belichick is unquestionably the best at understanding that the OL is the key to Brady's success.

Marcus McNeil's career is done. He is retired, and even if he wasn't he can't play. If he could he'd be on someone's team right now instead of sitting where you and I do on Sundays.

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1357182523' post='1287652']
This is just because of the Ed Reed thread, but how much more money would we save if Ed Reed also retired as well?
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Ed Reed is a Free Agent, so a grand total of none. Not re-signing him does prevent some wasted cap space though. With Ozzie's incredible cap management skills, we'd probably give a 34 year old a 7 year deal with $50 million guaranteed, just to make sure he continues to hurt this team after he retires.

Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to sign Ray Lewis to a 7 year deal in 2009. 7 years! He was talking about retirement when he signed that contract. I knew he had 4 years left at best, and certainly not for that ridiculous sum of money he was paid. I didn't look at all the cap numbers that closely when I did my initial analysis, but looking at that spreadsheet right now has got me almost to Cundiff's missed kick anger levels. Let me just say this team is not as well run as we were led to believe.
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Like someone said, I think the cap space we save should be enough to go get Jake Long to secure the LT position.
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[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1357182632' post='1287654']
I read on PFT that the cap was only going to go up about $400,000.
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That seems low, even without the TV deal money. I don't think anyone knows when that money could come into play, which is a problem. I'll take a wait and see approach on the actual number there, but we still have the money at the lower cap number if the right cuts are made.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1357183028' post='1287664']
Like someone said, I think the cap space we save should be enough to go get Jake Long to secure the LT position.
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I just don't think Ozzie has it in him to cut certain players, not sign Ed Reed, and be aggressive in free agency, or at least not simultaneously. It goes against everything he's done throughout his entire career.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1357183022' post='1287663']
If we do what I want to do, we can make a play for Long or Albert. It's more a matter of what does the FO want to do, and they tend to be more conservative than me. This is the same bunch of people who were talking about extending Oher a few weeks ago, they might not even recognize that there is a serious problem with the OL. It just amazes me, considering how Ozzie worked with Belichick and Belichick is unquestionably the best at understanding that the OL is the key to Brady's success.

Marcus McNeil's career is done. He is retired, and even if he wasn't he can't play. If he could he'd be on someone's team right now instead of sitting where you and I do on Sundays.



Ed Reed is a Free Agent, so a grand total of none. Not re-signing him does prevent some wasted cap space though. With Ozzie's incredible cap management skills, we'd probably give a 34 year old a 7 year deal with $50 million guaranteed, just to make sure he continues to hurt this team after he retires.

Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to sign Ray Lewis to a 7 year deal in 2009. 7 years! He was talking about retirement when he signed that contract. I knew he had 4 years left at best, and certainly not for that ridiculous sum of money he was paid. I didn't look at all the cap numbers that closely when I did my initial analysis, but looking at that spreadsheet right now has got me almost to Cundiff's missed kick anger levels. Let me just say this team is not as well run as we were led to believe.
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About the Lewis contract...he probably got overpaid, but it's hard to not pay a player of Lewis' stature a lesser amount. It's not like his play signficantly slipped over the years either, he was on his way to another all-pro season last year until the foot injury. The contract was actually structured really smartly so Ray could retire at pretty much any point and not be a huge cap burden.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1357183209' post='1287666']
I just don't think Ozzie has it in him to cut certain players, not sign Ed Reed, and be aggressive in free agency, or at least not simultaneously. It goes against everything he's done throughout his entire career.
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Reed would be foolish not to retire. An Albert if he is let go is realistic
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1357183441' post='1287671']
About the Lewis contract...he probably got overpaid, but it's hard to not pay a player of Lewis' stature a lesser amount. It's not like his play signficantly slipped over the years either, he was on his way to another all-pro season last year until the foot injury. The contract was actually structured really smartly so Ray could retire at pretty much any point and not be a huge cap burden.
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$1.9 million dollars is a significant cap burden. That's enough to sign a starter or at least a decent veteran backup at a lot of positions. I agree that it was born of the mistaken notion that players mean more to the team than their contributions on the field. It's not just his contract though, there are a few piss poor deals on the spreadsheet. No one who understands football can tell me Jameel McClain is worth a $4.2 million cap hit.
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