Who Goes? Who Stays? Post regular season roster evaluation

[frangecko112]

[quote name='GermanRaven' timestamp='1360271630' post='1349500']
KEY MOVES

- [b]Resign[/b] Flacco long term(18 Base + Roster and sining Bonuses)
- [b]Franchise Tag[/b] Reed so Bill & Tom can't pick him up
- [b]Restructure[/b] these contracts: Q, Suggs, Yanda & Ngata
Bring back with this extra money, Ellerbe(sounds like he also wants to stay with the team)
then
- [b]resign[/b]: Pitta, Arthur Jones
I like Dickson BUT if someone wants him, and getting an extra 3rd round pick in the draft would be cool!

[b]DRAFT DAY[/b]
[b]Trade the 1st round[/b] pick to get an higher extra 2nd rounder.
Draft
[b]2nd round[/b]
Barrett Jones OL - Alabama
[b]2nd round[/b]
Da'Rick Rogers WR - Tennessee Tech
[b]3rd round[/b]
Tony Jefferson S - Oklahoma or Bacarri Rambo S - Georgia
[b]3rd round[/b] -compensation pick for Dickson-
Tyrann Mathieu CB - LSU
[b]4th round[/b]
Michael Williams TE - Alabama
[b]5th Round[/b]
Brandon Williams DT - Missouri Southern State
[b]6th Round[/b]
Shayne Skov ILB - Stanford
[b]7th Round[/b]
Travis Bond OG - North Carolina or Zach Boren FB - Ohio State

If we find a way to spend some money for [b]FA's[/b], go after DT Henry Melton or CB Keenan Lewis
[/quote]I don't think that Barrett jones would fall to the second round

[ravensdan]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1360182297' post='1348004']
Who goes, who stays all really depends on Joe.

This is either the beginning of the end, or a beginning to a dynasty.

15-16mill (original offer?) range will probably offer us to restructure few contracts to keep key players & get key FA's(Ellerbe/Kruger/Reed)

17-20m will probably force us to cut one key receiver (Boldin or Jacoby) and keep Ellerbe

Anything over that will more likely force us to cut all the key players & key FA's. Basically a beginning of the end for Ravens playoff contention.
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This doomsday proficy here is just flat out wrong. Flacco is going to sign a contract for 17-20 mil per. however this is never done evenly the way you are thinking. It is not just a flat rate of let's say 18 per year. Also there will be a signing bonus involved.. so a contract worth "18 mil per year" will not cost us 18 mil against the cap in 13 neccessarily.

There has been alot of comments about larger contract numbers for our key guys like Ngata taking up alot of space, however these contracts are set up to pay out big money to certain guys in different years, hopefully close to their peak performance years.

just "restructuring contracts" will create a real cap hell like the Steelers are in... you can't just continue to defer and defer and defer, eventually you have to pay the piper.

Some guys Will leave for sure this year, others will be extended, we will have another amazing draft, pick up a few gem free agents late in the period and contend once again. This team will not being going away any time this decade. The front office is too good and too smart, and to predict a doomsday is just wrong.

[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='GermanRaven' timestamp='1360271630' post='1349500']
- [b]Franchise Tag[/b] Reed so Bill & Tom can't pick him up
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Sorry, but tagging Reed isn't going to happen.

It will cost them over $10M to use the Tag on Reed. That's too much for Reed and not a wise use of the little bit of Cap space they will have.

Either Joe gets the tag because they need to or no one gets it if they can get Flacco signed long-term.

[luvrayrice27]

i hope Flacco accepts a reasonable contract. A contract that he both deserves and will not cost us our most key players. Flacco finally played with a great offense, he shouldn't want to jeopardize it (costing Boldin and Jones their spots). It took years to get this talented of an offense. I feel like the offense shouldnt even be touched. As far as the defense, most of the FO's time should be focused on it. ellerbie and kruger, to me, are very important to keep. I just hope they are able to somehow get them back for the defense.
I hope this offseason wont be like the one from a few years ago when our more familiar Ravens were cut (Heap, Mason, Maghee, Gregg, etc). In turn, those were the best decisions for our team. It was just kind of surprising at the time. I hope there are no surprising cuts this offseason.

[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1360268921' post='1349438']
Oz said today the only way that happens is if there's some vet we really want that gets cut or something. Otherwise, we won't do that at all. He doesn't want to repeat what happened in 2001.
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Yes and no.

In 2001, they basically restructure EVERY deal of note in an effort to keep the team together (including older guys like Sharpe, Woodson, Goose, etc), to re-sign Sharper and to sign Grbac and Searcy.

There's no doubt they aren't going to repeat that, but Ozzie didn't rule out a restructure or two in an effort to improve the team or keep a younger player (Ellerbe).

Also, there's a difference between a restructure and an extension. So, for guys in the last years of their deals - like Boldin, Jones and Oher - an extension is a wiser move because it's not just pushing money off into the future - like in 2001 - it's securing important pieces into the future. Those guys - barring injury - will likely be around earning that money in the future, as opposed to 2002, when they were charge a ton of dead money against the Cap for guys like Goose, Sharpe and Woodson - guys who were no longer on the team.

[qredett]

Based on the way Reed has been acting recently i think they already have a deal for him. I know he won the Super Bowl but he's talking [b]baltimore[/b] Super Bowl repeats. Maybe they have a deal they haven't announced, a man that might be getting released off of a Super Bowl team doesn't seem that happy IMO.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='B-more Ravor' timestamp='1360275190' post='1349564']
Sorry, but tagging Reed isn't going to happen.

It will cost them over $10M to use the Tag on Reed. That's too much for Reed and not a wise use of the little bit of Cap space they will have.

Either Joe gets the tag because they need to or no one gets it if they can get Flacco signed long-term.
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Really? It was just over 6M this past year. I dont remember any massive contracts being handed out to safeties to accelerate the value that much.

According to this it would be just under 7M. Still a lot to pay Reed, but not ridiculous.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000117300/article/franchise-tag-numbers-tentatively-set-2013-cap-near-121m"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000117300/article/franchise-tag-numbers-tentatively-set-2013-cap-near-121m[/url]

[ravensdan]

[quote name='B-more Ravor' timestamp='1360275603' post='1349570']


Yes and no.

In 2001, they basically restructure EVERY deal of note in an effort to keep the team together (including older guys like Sharpe, Woodson, Goose, etc), to re-sign Sharper and to sign Grbac and Searcy.

There's no doubt they aren't going to repeat that, but Ozzie didn't rule out a restructure or two in an effort to improve the team or keep a younger player (Ellerbe).

Also, there's a difference between a restructure and an extension. So, for guys in the last years of their deals - like Boldin, Jones and Oher - an extension is a wiser move because it's not just pushing money off into the future - like in 2001 - it's securing important pieces into the future. Those guys - barring injury - will likely be around earning that money in the future, as opposed to 2002, when they were charge a ton of dead money against the Cap for guys like Goose, Sharpe and Woodson - guys who were no longer on the team.
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Well stated, nice to read a reasonable post who understands how team runs in real life.

[GermanRaven]

Ok let's say they find a way to bring Reed back or maybe like qredett assumes they already did this...
So you could Franchise tag Ellerbe then or who would you tag Joe or someone else?
Tagging Joe would maybe look like we don't trust you 100%, show us this REGULAR season what you are capable off

[NaveSenrag]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1360265486' post='1349364']
Wonder if the Texans want to release anymore players for them to reach their potential here with us. Leach , Pollard, J.Jones. Houston pipeline lol

Lets say I've finally forgive them for stealing Jermaine Lewis & Jamie Sharper in that supplemental draft years ago.
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Wouldn't mind getting the other JJ they have over there.

[PuRock]

[quote name='GermanRaven' timestamp='1360276886' post='1349586']
Ok let's say they find a way to bring Reed back or maybe like qredett assumes they already did this...
So you could Franchise tag Ellerbe then or who would you tag Joe or someone else?
[b]Tagging Joe would maybe look like we don't trust you 100%, show us this REGULAR season what you are capable off[/b]
[/quote]

Nah. Usually tagging somebody isn't a trust issue its more of a 'we can't agree upon a number' thing. No player wants the tag because they want the long-term deal with guaranteed money. Not just a one-year deal where if they get injured badly, they could lose greatly.

But if you can't work out a long-term deal with a player you want or need, you need to franchise tag them.

[GermanRaven]

I know but take a guy like Brees as an example, and i believe the Saints FO had some issues with his age etc. befor they gave him him last big paycheck...

Hm the thing with Joe reminds me of the same thing happend after Super Bowl 27 with Aikman.
Aikman to me at this time or never been the #1 QB but he got paid like he was!
And Joe to me is not the best QB BUT he and Troy have in common that they are/were....CLUTCH! Both are/were really clutch players.
And i would love to see Joe is signing the exact same 8 year deal like Aikman did back in the days
But i guess a 8yr 50 Million + 11 Million signing bonus is not what an elite or any starting QB is looking for^^

[bauer77]

[quote name='GermanRaven' timestamp='1360276886' post='1349586']
Ok let's say they find a way to bring Reed back or maybe like qredett assumes they already did this...
[b]So you could Franchise tag Ellerbe then or who would you tag Joe or someone else[/b]?
Tagging Joe would maybe look like we don't trust you 100%, show us this REGULAR season what you are capable off
[/quote]


Joe is the only one getting the franchise tag (if we don't get a deal done with him that is). Ozzie said it today. No one else will get it.

[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1360276040' post='1349581']
Really? It was just over 6M this past year. I dont remember any massive contracts being handed out to safeties to accelerate the value that much.

According to this it would be just under 7M. Still a lot to pay Reed, but not ridiculous.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000117300/article/franchise-tag-numbers-tentatively-set-2013-cap-near-121m"]http://www.nfl.com/n...3-cap-near-121m[/url]
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The Franchise Tag is the [i]greater [/i]of the franchise number (as stated in that story) or 120% of the player's "salary" (basically his Cap number) for the prior year. Reed's Cap number for 2012 was $8.5M, so 120% of that would be $10.2M. That would be the cost of the tag for Reed.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='B-more Ravor' timestamp='1360291971' post='1349847']
The Franchise Tag is the [i]greater [/i]of the franchise number (as stated in that story) or 120% of the player's "salary" (basically his Cap number) for the prior year. Reed's Cap number for 2012 was $8.5M, so 120% of that would be $10.2M. That would be the cost of the tag for Reed.
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Oh my. Well, good thing the FO squashed the idea anyway by saying they will only use it on Flacco.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='B-more Ravor' timestamp='1360291971' post='1349847']


The Franchise Tag is the [i]greater [/i]of the franchise number (as stated in that story) or 120% of the player's "salary" (basically his Cap number) for the prior year. Reed's Cap number for 2012 was $8.5M, so 120% of that would be $10.2M. That would be the cost of the tag for Reed.
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Ahh sorry, forgot about that caveat.

[GrimCoconut]

I really hope we extend Dennis Pitta & Arthur Jones before next year. I like them both a lot, and I feel like they were our best picks from 2010. I think Jones has a ton of potential.

[ravensconvert]

Ed Reed is gone
Boldin (needs a pay cut)
Kruger is probably gone, but of everyone I would like to keep him
Ellerbe will stay
Cary Williams is gone
Arthur Jones (no opinion)
Bryant McKinnie gone unless absurdely cheap

Those are all the big names

Also, people are going to hate me for saying this but I would trade Rice if a really sweet deal came along. I'm that high on Pierce.

I think the post season shows that Flacco can put up elite numbers if we can secure the LT position. That is much easier said then done.