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I considered making a topic just for the offensive line, but I think he really stood out yesterday against a good Bengals defensive line. He allowed very little pressure and I don't remember seeing him get blown off the ball like Birk. Perhaps he doesn't have the football iq yet, but I feel comfortable using him next year and replacing Birk.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1356986866' post='1285130']
I considered making a topic just for the offensive line, but I think he really stood out yesterday against a good Bengals defensive line. He allowed very little pressure and I don't remember seeing him get blown off the ball like Birk. Perhaps he doesn't have the football iq yet, but I feel comfortable using him next year and replacing Birk.
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Only negative thing I caught was a holding penalty. All other OL except Birk and Osemele were factors in allowing a sack and Birk left after 2 series and Osemele left early also.
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i was thinking about starting a thread about him as well. yes i was impressed with him yesterday. As soon as he came in, Pierce started having a field day up the middle. i trust him moving forward. theres not many other options anyway.
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Thus finding a franchise LT becomes priority number 1 for the Ravens Brass.

Franchise LT (Long (FA)/Albert(FA)/Lewan(draft)/Matthews (draft) ) - KO - Gino - Yanda - Oher

looks like a pretty solid line going forward to me. Cut Mc Chinnie, and Williams and draft depth in later rounds like Kyle Long or other players with potential.
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Was Ramon Harewood really as bad as Williams or they just trying to keep his price down? Because harewood seemed serviceable where as Williams seemed god awful.
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He's the future of the offensive line. Birk will probably be gone at the end of the season. It'll be interesting to see how he performs as a starter.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1356986866' post='1285130']
I considered making a topic just for the offensive line, but I think he really stood out yesterday against a good Bengals defensive line. He allowed very little pressure and I don't remember seeing him get blown off the ball like Birk. Perhaps he doesn't have the football iq yet, but I feel comfortable using him next year and replacing Birk.
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I want Gino starting NOW! He was a solid pass protector and he really impressed me in the run game. Our inside run game was pretty effective, and it hasn't been all season. Birk is terrible and I want Gino!

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1356987089' post='1285139']
Only negative thing I caught was a holding penalty. All other OL except Birk and Osemele were factors in allowing a sack and Birk left after 2 series and Osemele left early also.
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That holding penalty was bull!
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356987970' post='1285163']


I want Gino starting NOW! He was a solid pass protector and he really impressed me in the run game. Our inside run game was pretty effective, and it hasn't been all season. Birk is terrible and I want Gino!



That holding penalty was bull!
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I agree. I would be happy if Gino played like that for us in the playoffs. He has shown more than Birk when healthy. I think at the very least he showed us he deserves a chance and probably will replace Birk next year. If the coaches want to gamble, then I see him starting over Birk in the playoffs. The problem is the coaches don't gamble and will likely continue with Birk.
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I know this sounds terribly unrealistic, but, should we get up by say 10 in the fourth quarter, I think we should bring in Gino and Pierce to run the clock out. This would allow them to maul away instead of getting stuffed and forced to punt and convert 3rd and 10's

I think Rice provides alot of value, but Pierce breaks tackles and runs extremely hard. I actually didnt want him playing yesterday and got scared when he was hurt. There is a reason why our run game wasn't top notch this year and I attribute that partially to Birk and Rice.

The more I think of it, I much prefer Pierce than Rice now. Please tell me if I am delusional. Its hard to tell with Birk, but I really like running the ball up the middle and with an extremely old center, we just can't do that.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1356991117' post='1285226']
He also allowed a NT to grab Pierce twice in 2nd half.
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Those were both on williams.
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I agree on everything about Gino. I would be in favor of cutting Birk in favor of Gino if it means more protection for Joe and more holes for Rice and Pierce to run through.
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1356992939' post='1285260']
Gino Gradkowski definitely has a promising future as the team's center. Gino and Kelechi Osemele, whether-or-not he's moved to the guard position in the future (even though he's improved very nicely at right tackle), have been diamonds in the rough. Ozzie Newsome, once again, took a chance (or two) and came-up big.

I would still want Matt Birk to be the center during the playoffs, though; unless Birk is a complete disaster and/or gets injured, just "tossing" Gradkowski into a playoff game is a big risk. Matt Birk has the experience and his intelligence, on the field, is still up there as being one of the smartest players in the league. However, without-a-doubt, the center position is Gino Gradkowski's job to lose, come next training camp. Birk [i]could [/i]fulfill his contract and [i]try[/i] to hold onto his job, but I can easily see Birk being a late cut in the pre-season, just because I think Birk sees himself as a starter. Plus, it would clear-up some (even more) cap room.

Oh, and while we're on the topic of the offensive line, can someone tell me if Jah Reid is playing out of position at left guard? I thought he was a tackle coming out of college, but I can't remember, exactly...
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He was a right tackle at UCF.
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Was very impressed with him yesterday. Imagine he went a long way towards winning a starting a job for next year. Love Ozzie working the draft; remember when pundits said we should take Konz in the 1st?

I remember Jason LaConfora (sp?) saying that there were a few teams that really loved Gradkowski. Something along the lines of "smart teams had him going in the 3rd round."

The 2012 draft is looking like it could turn into a monster draft for the Ravens. Pierce looks like a starter. Upshaw has showed all kinds of promise. KO became a plug and play guard. Tyson has looked serviceable, and then some real potential upside in Thompson, Jackson and lets not forget Streeter...
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Yep another Ozzie find. I really only got to see make a good block for koch's touchdown against the raiders.

He really did good out there against the bengals [b]starters [/b]and looks like he has the tools to be solid for us. Thus, one less thing to worry about in the future.

Looks like Ozzie might just clear enough cap by signing Joe, Long or Albert, and putting the tag on ellerbe or kruger. This will mean plenty of cap casualties(boldin, lewis, birk)
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1356987420' post='1285149']
Thus finding a franchise LT becomes priority number 1 for the Ravens Brass.

Franchise LT (Long (FA)/Albert(FA)/Lewan(draft)/Matthews (draft) ) - KO - Gino - Yanda - Oher

looks like a pretty solid line going forward to me. Cut Mc Chinnie, and Williams and draft depth in later rounds like Kyle Long or other players with potential.
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Oher is a serviceable LT, and will probably continue to be so for quite some time. He's improved a lot this year in particular, and we have far more pressing needs then Left Tackle.

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356987970' post='1285163']
I want Gino starting NOW! He was a solid pass protector and he really impressed me in the run game. Our inside run game was pretty effective, and it hasn't been all season. Birk is terrible and I want Gino!



That holding penalty was bull!
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Birk is far from terrible.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1356987507' post='1285151']
Was Ramon Harewood really as bad as Williams or they just trying to keep his price down? Because harewood seemed serviceable where as Williams seemed god awful.
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They were both pretty terrible. I think Williams was slightly better in the run game which needed help since Oher couldn't do anything. If we can get a Franchise LT the Oher can stick to the right and Osemele can go to guard (he would be Ben Grubbs 2.0 there).

Osemele would probably develop into a quality RT but not that much better than Oher already is. It would be much more worth it to slide him to LG and let Oher play RT. You'd have quality players at every position instead of having a weakness at LG.
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1357003333' post='1285401']
Oher is a serviceable LT, and will probably continue to be so for quite some time. He's improved a lot this year in particular, and we have far more pressing needs then Left Tackle.



Birk is far from terrible.
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Honestly we don't have much more pressing needs on offense...We could get a number one receiver but it doesn't matter if Flacco gets 2 seconds less than most QB's do in the pocket. We should fix the defense with the draft by drafting interior linemen and use free agency to get a LT.

You do this and the LT and LG suddenly get a huge boost while Oher moves to the right side where he played a little better than Osemele. Look at the guys in last on offense. The Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd duo are there because of the offensive line. They say the qb's there are bad but they needed 4 different guys because they kept getting injured.


Birk is not terrible but he is only a decent pass blocker and struggles in the run blocking.
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[quote name='BMORE_96' timestamp='1356996052' post='1285297']
Yep another Ozzie find. I really only got to see make a good block for koch's touchdown against the raiders.

He really did good out there against the bengals [b]starters [/b]and looks like he has the tools to be solid for us. Thus, one less thing to worry about in the future.

Looks like Ozzie might just clear enough cap by signing Joe, Long or Albert, and putting the tag on ellerbe or kruger. This will mean plenty of cap casualties(boldin, lewis, birk)
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Yea, Gino played really well and against a strong Dline. People questioned Gino's strength and wondered if he could hold up against bigger DTs, well i saw him dominate Peko and Sims a couple times in that game.

His ability to get to and seal off the second level was really good and key to some very nice runs from both Peirce and AA. I like the idea of Gino sandwiched between KO and Yanda, two physical and nasty guys. Gino is also physicall, nasty and a tough guy, so I like the direction our interior line is headed in 2013.

The very next day after he wins his Super Bowl MVP, start working hard on signing Joe. Then aggressively turn your attention to LT and start to sure up the tackle position. I really like Alberts for this team, Long's injury history plus big money scares me.

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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1357006243' post='1285474']
Yea, Gino played really well and against a strong Dline. People questioned Gino's strength and wondered if he could hold up against bigger DTs, well i saw him dominate Peko and Sims a couple times in that game.

His ability to get to and seal off the second level was really good and key to some very nice runs from both Peirce and AA. I like the idea of Gino sandwiched between KO and Yanda, two physical and nasty guys. Gino is also physicall, nasty and a tough guy, so I like the direction our interior line is headed in 2013.

The very next day after he wins his Super Bowl MVP, start working hard on signing Joe. Then aggressively turn your attention to LT and start to sure up the tackle position. I really like Alberts for this team, Long's injury history plus big money scares me.
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Yeah, I agree. What do you think? I'd personally rather keep KO at RT and move Oher to LG. Teams traditionally use the LG to move over to LT in case of injury. I feel this is our best line-up. We have two guards who can move over to tackle in case of injury. We have a RT who has shown great promise. All we would need is a LT, and we can get one in free agency or the draft.
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1357003333' post='1285401']
Oher is a serviceable LT, and will probably continue to be so for quite some time. He's improved a lot this year in particular, and we have far more pressing needs then Left Tackle.



Birk is far from terrible.
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On Oher, just no

On Birk - agreed
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1356987507' post='1285151']
Was Ramon Harewood really as bad as Williams or they just trying to keep his price down? Because harewood seemed serviceable where as Williams seemed god awful.
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I read a November article in the baltimoresun which said Harewood sulked after being benched early in the season, unfortunately that means the only serviceable LG we have on the team is in Harbaughs doghouse and is going to be there for a while, regardless of what that means for our offense.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1357055009' post='1285692']
I read a November article in the baltimoresun which said Harewood sulked after being benched early in the season, unfortunately that means the only serviceable LG we have on the team is in Harbaughs doghouse and is going to be there for a while, regardless of what that means for our offense.
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Harewood was still not that great of a LG. Jah Reid is ok but he doesn't fit well at guard and isn't good enough to play tackle. Osemele would make a great guard but we have no better RT besides Oher, and after Oher we don't have a left tackle.

We tried Jah Reid at LT vs the Bengals and he got blown up. McKinnie played poorly as well. We need a new LT.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1357058043' post='1285741']
Harewood was still not that great of a LG. Jah Reid is ok but he doesn't fit well at guard and isn't good enough to play tackle. Osemele would make a great guard but we have no better RT besides Oher, and after Oher we don't have a left tackle.

We tried Jah Reid at LT vs the Bengals and he got blown up. McKinnie played poorly as well. We need a new LT.
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we as fans don't know how the FO thinks about the oline right now. do they think LT is really a need or is oher and osemele the future on the ends? i think it would be a mistake not to look for one in FA/draft because they will have some opportunities. i look forward to seeing their viewpoint on the oline during the offseason pressers.
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1357003333' post='1285401']
Oher is a serviceable LT, and will probably continue to be so for quite some time. He's improved a lot this year in particular, and [b]we have far more pressing needs then Left Tackle.[/b]



Birk is far from terrible.
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enlighten me.
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1357067528' post='1285897']



enlighten me.
[/quote]Fullback and running back.... Nah just kidding maybe he's not a flacco fan and thinks QB is our biggest issue
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1357003638' post='1285412']
Honestly we don't have much more pressing needs on offense...We could get a number one receiver but it doesn't matter if Flacco gets 2 seconds less than most QB's do in the pocket. We should fix the defense with the draft by drafting interior linemen and use free agency to get a LT.

You do this and the LT and LG suddenly get a huge boost while Oher moves to the right side where he played a little better than Osemele. Look at the guys in last on offense. The Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd duo are there because of the offensive line. They say the qb's there are bad but they needed 4 different guys because they kept getting injured.


Birk is not terrible but he is only a decent pass blocker and struggles in the run blocking.
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Interior dlinemen? Cody is fine. We don't play him, for reason's entirely unknown to me, but he's leagues better then Kemo. He's not much of a pass rusher, but I wouldn't expect him to anyway. He's a huge run-stuffing NT, and shouldn't be in on obvious passing downs. We have needs at Safety and ILB. LG is a far weaker position for us right now then LT. Oher isn't fantastic but he's been pretty solid this season, good enough to earn a second chance. There certainly aren't any other options available. You said use FA, so who is your FA option? Limited in cap space as well.

The Cardinals don't have issues because they lack a franchise LT, they have issues because they need to rework their entire oline, as well as find a suitable quarterback. Our oline compared to theirs is night and day.

Birk is one of the league's best pass-blocking centers (he might actually be the best). He's nothing notable in run blocking.

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1357012993' post='1285552']
On Oher, just no

On Birk - agreed
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On Oher, yes.
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1357003333' post='1285401']
Oher is a serviceable LT, and will probably continue to be so for quite some time. He's improved a lot this year in particular, and we have far more pressing needs then Left Tackle.



Birk is far from terrible.
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His run blocking has been [u]atrocious[/u] this season. Have you even noticed the lack of success running it up the gut?
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1357073791' post='1286029']
Interior dlinemen? Cody is fine. We don't play him, for reason's entirely unknown to me, but he's leagues better then Kemo. He's not much of a pass rusher, but I wouldn't expect him to anyway. He's a huge run-stuffing NT, and shouldn't be in on obvious passing downs. We have needs at Safety and ILB. LG is a far weaker position for us right now then LT. Oher isn't fantastic but he's been pretty solid this season, good enough to earn a second chance. There certainly aren't any other options available. You said use FA, so who is your FA option? Limited in cap space as well.

The Cardinals don't have issues because they lack a franchise LT, they have issues because they need to rework their entire oline, as well as find a suitable quarterback. Our oline compared to theirs is night and day.

Birk is one of the league's best pass-blocking centers (he might actually be the best). He's nothing notable in run blocking.



On Oher, yes.
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Terrence Cody? Fine? Ha. So I guess a good NT gets blown back by centers that weigh 50 pounds less? Okeedokee!
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1357012235' post='1285544']

Yeah, I agree. What do you think? I'd personally rather keep KO at RT and move Oher to LG. Teams traditionally use the LG to move over to LT in case of injury. I feel this is our best line-up. We have two guards who can move over to tackle in case of injury. We have a RT who has shown great promise. All we would need is a LT, and we can get one in free agency or the draft.
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Oher to LG is interesting, never even considered it. Harbs always talks about playing the best five, so maybe he will give this a try. Not so sure Oher is strong enough to hold up on the interior line.

I think, despite his struggles this year at LT, the Ravens still veiw Oher as a OT and RT will be his spot. I think they really love his ability to flip sides in a pinch.
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[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1357073339' post='1286014']
Fullback and running back.... Nah just kidding maybe he's not a flacco fan and thinks QB is our biggest issue
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hahah go full back with the 1st rd pick? seems logical to me, he can spend a few years learning from Vonta.

I realize defence has some issues and theres a number of ways we can go about addressing them, but at this point in time, the best way we can help our defence is to get the offence a stud LT to improve pocket time preventing 3 and outs.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1357079935' post='1286148']
Oher to LG is interesting, never even considered it. Harbs always talks about playing the best five, so maybe he will give this a try. Not so sure Oher is strong enough to hold up on the interior line.

I think, despite his struggles this year at LT, the Ravens still veiw Oher as a OT and RT will be his spot. I think they really love his ability to flip sides in a pinch.
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Oher's a pretty strong dude, actually. I really want to see him at guard or RT. He got to a great start this season at LT, but now he's back to his old self.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1357080352' post='1286153']
Oher's a pretty strong dude, actually. I really want to see him at guard or RT. He got to a great start this season at LT, but now he's back to his old self.
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Oher is nothing more than an average LT. Servicable but often frustrating. At times he does stellar, at times he sucks. Oher is an all pro on the right. LT is a need simply bc we might have the best OLINE in the NFL with

Great LT Osemele Gino Yanda Oher
And the depth
Reid
Harewood
Williams (for now)
Mckinnie(for now)
is pretty damn good.
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1357073791' post='1286029']
Interior dlinemen?[b] Cody is fine[/b]. We don't play him, for reason's entirely unknown to me, but he's leagues better then Kemo. He's not much of a pass rusher, but I wouldn't expect him to anyway. [b]He's a huge run-stuffing NT[/b], and shouldn't be in on obvious passing downs. We have needs at Safety and ILB. [b]LG is a far weaker position for us right now then LT.[/b] [b]Oher isn't fantastic but he's been pretty solid this season, good enough to earn a second chance. There certainly aren't any other options available[/b]. You said use FA, so who is your FA option? Limited in cap space as well.

The Cardinals don't have issues because they lack a franchise LT, they have issues because they need to rework their entire oline, as well as find a suitable quarterback. Our oline compared to theirs is night and day.

[b]Birk is one of the league's best pass-blocking centers (he might actually be the best). He's nothing notable in run blocking.[/b]



On Oher, yes.
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False on all accounts. If we find a franchise LT, we can move oher to RT and KO to LG. Kill two birds with one stone (cap hit).

With respect to Cody, I've never seen a bigger man look so light, he gets blown off the line, most of the time our LB's have to dodge his body flying past them in order to find the ball carrier.

Birk's not bad but he needs to be replaced, he's not #1 at anything don't fool yourself.
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Reid needs to be at RT and Osemele at LG. They're playing each other's positions. But it's too late in the season to change. Next year we need Oher-Osemele-Gradkowski-Yanda-Reid. Also need to give Harewood a chance at LT as well, where he played during preseason.
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Lt-Oher LG-Osmele C-Gradkowski RG-Yanda RT-Ried


that's my guess for the future. With the draft picks going elsewhere.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1356986866' post='1285130']
I considered making a topic just for the offensive line, but I think he really stood out yesterday against a good Bengals defensive line. He allowed very little pressure and I don't remember seeing him get blown off the ball like Birk. Perhaps he doesn't have the football iq yet, but I feel comfortable using him next year and replacing Birk.
[/quote] I agree wholeheartedly with what you write. I think he held up admirably against Geno Atkins who I think is the best interior lineman in the league right now! He completely shut him down and that tells me we should consider playing him in the playoffs...
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Gino Gradkowski did not allow one pressure all game, and he was going up against one of the best D-lines in the nfl!
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1357332026' post='1289512']
Seriously can we just start this guy in the playoffs? Or at least against Indy? Please?
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Against NE or DEN I think we have to, otherwise Wolfe and Wilfork are gonna kill us
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1357332184' post='1289515']
Against NE or DEN I think we have to, otherwise Wolfe and Wilfork are gonna kill us
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I'm not sure how Gino would do against Wilfork. But, I guess he can't do much worse than Birk did last year.

Yeah, I guess I'd like to see him against Denver too.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1357332440' post='1289521']
I'm not sure how Gino would do against Wilfork. But, I guess he can't do much worse than Birk did last year.

Yeah, I guess I'd like to see him against Denver too.
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Birk sucked......
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He's going to start next year. I still don't know why we signed Birk to a 3 year deal, that made zero sense.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1357336837' post='1289603']
He's going to start next year. I still don't know why we signed Birk to a 3 year deal, that made zero sense.
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IDKY either
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[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1357099555' post='1286417']
Lt-Oher LG-Osmele C-Gradkowski RG-Yanda RT-Ried


that's my guess for the future. With the draft picks going elsewhere.
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I would cry. Jah Reid is subpar despite the hype. I didn't see anything good from him against the Bengals. Oher switching to RT is the best thing that could happen because he is a pretty solid RT while Osemele would excel at LG. The missing piece is the LT. You bring in one guy and you improve three positions. That's what I like about the offensive line.

Should Boldin workout a new deal we could have around 26 mil in cap space to work with which isn't a lot considering we need to sign Flacco among other crucial guys. Hopefully a solid LT will be available in free agency who doesn't cost much.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356987970' post='1285163']
That holding penalty was bull!
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Yeah thats was truly a bad call. Watching the replay after the call, what the ref was looking at.
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Anyone remember the name of the site that grades players based of each snap ? I'm curious to see how he graded out,
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1357079755' post='1286146']
Terrence Cody? Fine? Ha. So I guess a good NT gets blown back by centers that weigh 50 pounds less? Okeedokee!
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Sure you're not thinking of Kemo? Cody hasn't started most of the season, you're probably looking at the wrong NT to be perfectly honest. Kemoeatu has been. Look at their run stop %'s:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/29/sig-stats-snapshot-run-stop-percentage-dts/

Rank Name Team Run Snaps Stops Stop %
6 Terrence Cody BLT 137 14
10.2
74 Ma'ake Kemoeatu BLT 171 5 2.9


Birk has been one of the league's best pass-blocking centers over the past few years. He was arguably the best center in the league as recently as 2010. He's not been as good this year, I'll give you that, but his pass protection is still among the best.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1357343257' post='1289734']
I would cry. Jah Reid is subpar despite the hype. I didn't see anything good from him against the Bengals. Oher switching to RT is the best thing that could happen because he is a pretty solid RT while Osemele would excel at LG. The missing piece is the LT. You bring in one guy and you improve three positions. That's what I like about the offensive line.

Should Boldin workout a new deal we could have around 26 mil in cap space to work with which isn't a lot considering we need to sign Flacco among other crucial guys. [b]Hopefully a solid LT will be available in free agency who doesn't cost much.[/b]
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Yeah. That totally happens.

We're not going to find someone better than Oher for a reasonable amount of money. He's serviceable.
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1357433181' post='1290877']
Yeah. That totally happens.

We're not going to find someone better than Oher for a reasonable amount of money. He's serviceable.
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Much more realistically we can try to draft an RT.
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