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"Black Monday" (Who's in / who's out)

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[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]After a very lackluster season across the NFL by all accounts, not surprising there's going to be some serious house cleaning come Monday morning. We could be looking at a carousel of head coaches going around. So, who do you think will keep their job? Who will be let go? Who will find it hard to find work anywhere?[/font][/i]
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Honestly, the only "definite" firings, come next Monday, will be [b]Romeo Crennel[/b], [b]Mike Mularkey[/b], [b]Andy Reid [/b]and [b]Ken Whisenhunt[/b]. [b]Norv Turner[/b] could very easily be fired, as well; however, I still have [i]a [/i]feeling that Turner will, once again, barely hold onto his job after posting (yet) [i]another [/i]winning record in the month of December.

Anyways, Crennel is a very intelligent defensive guru, is someone who can be considered a player's coach, but just lacks [i]that[/i] "it" factor to be a NFL head coach. It sucks; he was let go with the Cleveland Browns the year after posting a 10-6 record and, obviously, he most likely has not recovered from witnessing Jovan Belcher commit suicide right in front of his eyes. Hopefully, Romeo Crennel lands a good defensive coordinator gig somewhere.

I have no clue why Mike Mularkey was even a NFL coach, this season, to be honest. Granted, he was the offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons these past four seasons; and while that looked good on his resume, I seem to remember Atlanta's fans getting being so paranoid with his play-calling. Plus, his previous stint with the Buffalo Bills was so unforgettable...

For Andy Reid, it's fairly obvious that his time is up. Great guy, was the coach to many talented players with the Philadelphia Eagles and was [i]this [/i]close, at least five times, to winning a Super Bowl for Philly. But, now is the time for him to move. Honestly, I could very easily see Reid take a year off before coming back in 2014. Finally, for Ken Whisenhunt, his first three years with the Arizona Cardinals (and even the 2011 season) as their coach are all probably in the franchise's top-ten years when it comes to their "best" seasons. Oh, and keep in mind the Cardinals franchise has been around for more than 90 years! Anyways, some team will pick-up Whisenhunt to be their offensive coordinator, for next year.

[b]Rex Ryan[/b] is staying put, for at least another year; like it-or-not. But, another year like the New York Jets are currently having and Ryan is gone... at the end of the 2013-14 season. [b]Lovie Smith[/b] will hold onto his job, for now. The Chicago Bears will miss the playoffs, but they will (most likely) finish 10-6. However, the team's front office needs to realize that the problem is not Smith; rather, it is that their offense needs a reboot and the only "positives", right now, on the offense is Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall.

I think [b]Ron Rivera[/b] saved his job, after the Carolina Panthers turned it around in the last month. [b]Chan Gailey [/b]and [b]Mike Munchak [/b]will be back for the Buffalo Bills and Tennessee Titans, respectively, but they will both be on a very, very short leash (or else, they will be fired in 2013). [b]Dennis Allen[/b] is save, seeing how he came into the Oakland Raiders organization in a lose-lose situation, right off the bat. Finally, [b]Pat Shurmur[/b]'s faith lies solely on the outcome of this weekend's Browns/Steelers match-up. If Cleveland wins, he keeps his job and the Cleveland Browns will be a sleeper to make the playoffs in 2013. If the Steelers win, Shurmur is done and someone else will get handed a talented, young roster in Cleveland.

There! I think I covered everything!
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cards might give Ken another year... he didn't really have a qb this year... they might go for alex smith as no good prospect in the draft
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The only thing I know for certain is that Mike Zimmer should be given a head coaching job somewhere in the NFL next season. My in-laws have known him for years, since he and his late wife moved into the building, and he is personally deserving, as well as professionally. I know that it's crazy to hear such high praise for a Bengals coach on a Ravens forum, but I just hope the man finally gets his wish of coaching a team. I think he'll go to Kansas City.

And if he leaves, I think that softens up their defense, which can only help the rest of the division's offense, right? ;)
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Turner's basically admitted he won't be back with the team. He's told reporters that he's looking for available OC positions, so he's read the writing on the wall.

As for Rex Ryan, I'm certain the train wreck that is the Jets' front office will hang onto him for another season. To be fair to Ryan, he took the franchise to the NFCCG his first 2 seasons with the team and has only had 1 losing season since.
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Turner's basically admitted he won't be back with the team. He's told reporters that he's looking for available OC positions, so he's read the writing on the wall.

As for Rex Ryan, I'm certain the train wreck that is the Jets' front office will hang onto him for another season. To be fair to Ryan, he took the franchise to the AFCCG his first 2 seasons with the team and has only had 1 losing season since, amidst numerous injuries/draft and free agent busts/and a non-existent offense helmed by 2 horrible OCs (Schottenheimer and Sparano). Most of the blame is on Woody Johnson, Mike Tannenbaum and the players themselves,
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[quote name='Ragin'Raven' timestamp='1356705630' post='1280832']
The only thing I know for certain is that Mike Zimmer should be given a head coaching job somewhere in the NFL next season. My in-laws have known him for years, since he and his late wife moved into the building, and he is personally deserving, as well as professionally. I know that it's crazy to hear such high praise for a Bengals coach on a Ravens forum, but I just hope the man finally gets his wish of coaching a team. I think he'll go to Kansas City.

And if he leaves, I think that softens up their defense, which can only help the rest of the division's offense, right? ;)
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Agreed, and I have always thought highly of Zimmer as well. I will throw Dick Lebeau in there too, but that makes me feel like I should wash out my mouth with soap for saying that.

Black Monday.....always hated it. This is the domain of the knee jerk reactionary owner. Stability is the main thing that seperates contenders and pretenders. The Patriots aren't worried about anything other than winning another Super Bowl. While the Browns keep turning everything over from the GM, to the coaches, and all the way down to schemes and players. I think Phil Dawson the kicker, and Josh Cribbs the returner are the oldest tenured Browns. There is a HUGE difference between the Patriots way, and the Browns way.

So let's get to it, who stays and who goes? My caveat here is that there is usually a surprise firing. Seems to happen every year, and maybe has already happened with Cam Cameron.

[b]The Jury is Still Out[/b]-On Mike Mularkey, Rex Ryan, Ron Rivera, Romeo Crennel, and Mike Munchak. Sure these were awful seasons that started with high expectations. The Jags were supposed to be the most improved offense, and the Jets are always play-off bound. Cam Newton was supposed to be resurgent, and the Chiefs were a popular pre-season pick to win their division. Munchak is a good coach on a bad team, and I mean really bad. I just don't think these guys go just yet because most of them are rounding into year three. I think in the case of Rex the GM would go first, but then the new GM may want his own to run the show.

[b]The Hot Seat[/b]- is getting super hot for Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, and Ken Whisenhunt. These coaches have been tenured long enough, and have had enough talent on their rosters to be considered under-achievers. I think of this group Andy Reid is the most villainized by the fan base, and yet adored by the players. The Eagles had a good run with Andy Reid, but will face a serious mutiny from the fans if they keep him. I think this team started to fall apart after Jim Johnson succumbed to cancer a few years back and haven't looked the same since. As far as the rest on this list it's fairly obvious that more was clearly expected of them.

[b]Going...Going...Gone[/b]-are the days of Chan Gailey and Pat Shurmer. Maybe Chan Gailey belongs to the jury is out group because of his length of tenure. But I think the Bills are going to look to upgrade to a coach that can attract stronger assistants and coordinators. The same can be said of Pat Shurmer, as Cleveland has a new owner who will soon enough have a new GM, and a new coach to once again rebuild this franchise. It's a shame too, because I think the Browns are better than advertised.
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1356687462' post='1280780']
[b]Lovie Smith[/b] will hold onto his job, for now. The Chicago Bears will miss the playoffs, but they will (most likely) finish 10-6. However, the team's front office needs to realize that the problem is not Smith; rather, it is that their offense needs a reboot and [b]the only "positives", right now, on the offense is Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall[/b].
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Don't forget Matt Forte, he's a top 5 running back!
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Multiple sources point to Crennel being fired on Monday. Unfortunate, as he has a lot of potential, but was scapegoated for a completely talentless team that was rocked by a homicide/suicide to boot after becoming the interim head coach in Tod Haley's midst and leading them to the upset of the year against against the undefeated Packers. The front office didn't add any talent in the offseason to bolster the team, either.

I think Pat Shurmur will remain the HC. They've finally got some steam rolling in Cleveland (insider joke!). He's assembled a fresh, young offense with a lot of potential. Richardson is good enough to be their franchise player and Weeden is slowly improving with a servicable receiving corps, including the dynamic Josh Gordon. A lot of experts are predicting they'll make the playoffs next year, especially with PIT's decline.
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[quote name='Ragin'Raven' timestamp='1356705630' post='1280832']
[b]The only thing I know for certain is that Mike Zimmer should be given a head coaching job[/b] somewhere in the NFL next season. My in-laws have known him for years, since he and his late wife moved into the building, and he is personally deserving, as well as professionally. I know that it's crazy to hear such high praise for a Bengals coach on a Ravens forum, but I just hope the man finally gets his wish of coaching a team. I think he'll go to Kansas City.

[b]And if he leaves, I think that softens up their defense, which can only help the rest of the division's offense, right?[/b] ;)
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]You are such a suck-up. --- A suck-up with a nice cover. ;)[/i][/font]


[quote name='Ragin'Raven' timestamp='1356710481' post='1280863']
I think a surprise firing this year could be Jason Garrett; if the Cowboys lose to the Redskins on Sunday night.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]The only person in the Cowboys organization that needs to be fired is Jerry. I understand he's the owner and wants to have a hand in his investment, but there comes a point when you need to let up on the reigns a bit. Players play, coaches coach, owners sit in the owners box and have their nephew's clean off their glasses for them (another suck-up). Until Jerry quits meddling, that team will always be sub-par.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I'm done picking on you now. :P [/i][/font]
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[quote name='Dudeman' timestamp='1356709260' post='1280851']
While the Browns keep turning everything over from the GM, to the coaches, and all the way down to schemes and players. I think Phil Dawson the kicker, and Josh Cribbs the returner are the oldest tenured Browns. There is a HUGE difference between the Patriots way, and the Browns way.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Every bit of this, so true. And so sad. I wouldn't mind seeing the Brownies turn it around, to have the strongest division in football. Like last season (or two seasons?) ago, when all four AFC North teams finished in the Top-5 for defense. I really thought they were turning a curve there.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]They will never get anything going if there is no stability. It's like gutting a car when all you need is a new air filter.[/i][/font]
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1356709374' post='1280852']


Don't forget Matt Forte, he's a top 5 running back!
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I don't think Forte is a top 5 RB even in the rare case he's healthy. Peterson, Rice, Foster, Charles and Lynch are all definitely better than him. Gore also. Martin, Richardson and maybe even Morris showed more flash this season, albeit with a small sample size.
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[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1356714543' post='1280934']
I don't think Forte is a top 5 RB even in the rare case he's healthy. Peterson, Rice, Foster, Charles and Lynch are all definitely better than him. Gore also. Martin, Richardson and maybe even Morris showed more flash this season, albeit with a small sample size.
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You've got to keep in mind the injuries he's played through this season. He really elevates the Bears' offense when he's healthy. He also gets a lot of receptions, in addition to rushes.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1356714964' post='1280944']


You've got to keep in mind the injuries he's played through this season. He really elevates the Bears' offense when he's healthy. He also gets a lot of receptions, in addition to rushes.
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Hence why I started off by saying "even in the rare case he's healthy". He basically ended my fantasy season this year and that's why I'm extra bitter but I never thought he could be anything special because of all his injuries.
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[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1356715521' post='1280952']
Hence why I started off by saying "even in the rare case he's healthy". He basically ended my fantasy season this year and that's why I'm extra bitter but I never thought he could be anything special because of all his injuries.
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On a similar note, who's in your Top 5 WR list?
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1356715691' post='1280956']


On a similar note, who's in your Top 5 WR list?
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Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Marshall.

Sorry for going off topic, mods. Gonna post my opinion on the topic later.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1356710189' post='1280860']
Multiple sources point to Crennel being fired on Monday. Unfortunate, as he has a lot of potential, but was scapegoated for a completely talentless team that was rocked by a homicide/suicide to boot after becoming the interim head coach in Tod Haley's midst and leading them to the upset of the year against against the undefeated Packers. The front office didn't add any talent in the offseason to bolster the team, either.

I think Pat Shurmur will remain the HC. They've finally got some [b]steam rolling in Cleveland (insider joke!)[/b]. He's assembled a fresh, young offense with a lot of potential. Richardson is good enough to be their franchise player and Weeden is slowly improving with a servicable receiving corps, including the dynamic Josh Gordon. A lot of experts are predicting they'll make the playoffs next year, especially with PIT's decline.
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I see what you did there.
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Gailey will be gone from Buffalo and its about 50-50 if they fired their GM. Of the many Bills fans I know, they want them both gone.

[url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121227/black-monday-nfl-coaches-2012/?sct=uk_t11_a5"]Here is a good article from Don Banks previewing everything.[/url]
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[quote name='Ragin'Raven' timestamp='1356710481' post='1280863']
I think a surprise firing this year could be Jason Garrett; if the Cowboys lose to the Redskins on Sunday night.
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Jerry Jones has said he will stay because of their recent performance and how he handled the Josh Brent incident.
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Black Monday should be interesting. Can't wait to see who replaces the current coaches and if we get more college coaches due to Carrol's and Harbaugh's success and the big name coaches that could return.
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If the Bears don't make the playoffs, I can see Lovie being fired because they started off so good but have finished very badly.
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[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1356716046' post='1280959']
Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Marshall.

Sorry for going off topic, mods. Gonna post my opinion on the topic later.
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Larry Fitzgerald?! In the past he was, definitely not this year! I'd say Dez Bryant is the 3rd best receiver in the league. DAL would never have pulled off the comeback they have without him. It's especially incredible he's been able to continue this with his broken finger. And Vincent Jackson is better than Wayne. He has 19 more yd, 3 more TD and 1 more 2-pt conversion, and with a worse team, I might add.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1356716480' post='1280969']
Black Monday should be interesting. Can't wait to see who replaces the current coaches and if we get more college coaches due to Carrol's and Harbaugh's success and the big name coaches that could return.
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Chip Kelley should come over this year. The dark horse college coach that I have heard is Doug Marrone from Syracuse because he was with the Saints before he went to Syracuse a few years ago.
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I know Chip Kelly is supposed to be courted by the Eagles but I have also heard him linked to Carolina, and also heard he wants full control.

[quote]According to Sports Illustrated, Oregon's Chip Kelly will be looking for "near complete control when it comes to personnel decision-making power" if he's to make the jump to the NFL.[/quote]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/252645/chip-kelly-seeking-near-complete-control
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1356716565' post='1280973']
[b]Larry Fitzgerald[/b]?! In the past he was, definitely not this year! I'd say Dez Bryant is the 3rd best receiver in the league. DAL would never have pulled off the comeback they have without him. It's especially incredible he's been able to continue this with his broken finger. And Vincent Jackson is better than Wayne. He has 19 more yd, 3 more TD and 1 more 2-pt conversion, and with a worse team, I might add.
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He is a top 5 WR but not in production this year because of his QB situation. Give him a decent QB and he will shine like he did with Kurt Warner.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1356716645' post='1280975']
I know Chip Kelly is supposed to be courted by the Eagles but I have also heard him linked to Carolina, and also heard he wants full control.



[url="http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/252645/chip-kelly-seeking-near-complete-control"]http://www.rotoworld...omplete-control[/url]
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Imagine Kelley working with Cam Newton.
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[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1356716748' post='1280979']
Imagine Kelley working with Cam Newton.
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Yeah that would be amazing, but what team is going to hand full control over to Kelly? That would be a 100% no.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1356717145' post='1280985']
Yeah that would be amazing, but what team is going to hand full control over to Kelly? That would be a 100% no.
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I don't know but I can't wait to find out.
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[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1356717664' post='1280992']
I don't know but I can't wait to find out.
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Me too.

Besides Gruden, does anyone see Cowher, Billick or another big name coach who hasn't coached in a while return in 2013?
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