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[Sizzlebshu]

The Steelers losing gives them a fairly valuable draft pick in the upcoming draft. What you may not realize is that the Steelers have many similar needs to the Ravens

O-line at both LT and G

Wide Receiver - Mike Wallace needs to be replaced and Sanders only has a year on his deal left

DT - Casey Hampton may be a cap casulty

Ozzie may find himself stymied this year by the Steelers FO if the prioritize their needs similarly

[Free Agent]

Well luckily there is free agency to shake things up. We will sign certain free agents and they will sign certain free agents, which will in all likelihood reorganize both teams needs heading into the draft.

There could certainly be a specific player or a couple specific players that both teams have their eyes on, but hopefully we'll get the better of those battles.

[gabefergy]

The only thing that would worry me is if the Steelers take an OT in the first that the Ravens could potentially be interested in. We have needs at Safety, ILB, and DL while none of those are huge areas of concern for the Steelers.

[hawkprey]

If the Steelers lose, they'll distance themselves from our pick, and likely take a player we had no chance at anyway. If they win, they'll be closer to us and be more likely to take a player we were seriously considering.

[Sizzlebshu]

The only thing that would worry me is if the Steelers take an OT in the first that the Ravens could potentially be interested in. We have needs at Safety, ILB, and DL while none of those are huge areas of concern for the Steelers.

NT is which of course is our main need on the D-line and safety is a bigger concern than you think with Polamalu's injury proneness

[gabefergy]

NT is which of course is our main need on the D-line and safety is a bigger concern than you think with Polamalu's injury proneness

Steelers just drafted a NT, even though he was demoted to their PS after his off the field issues. They also have McClendon at NT who has been a nice player for them. I agree about Polamalu, but they were fine without him for much of this season. I think they need more help on offense than D.

[Ngata Chance]

This isn't the first time the steelers have missed the playoffs since Harbaughs tenure, and it won't be the last.

Let them worry about the wheels falling off their team. Ozzie will take care of the our business.

[Sizzlebshu]

Steelers just drafted a NT, even though he was demoted to their PS after his off the field issues. They also have McClendon at NT who has been a nice player for them. I agree about Polamalu, but they were fine without him for much of this season. I think they need more help on offense than D.

I mean we were fine with a bunch of udfa but you have us drafting an ilb early which I assume isnt for depth purposes. I think their drafted nose tackle last year can be called a bust with that demotion (as in the Steelers dont expect anything out of him) and Mclendon is okay, but given the Steelers supposed interest in dontari poe I doubt McClendon is the heir apparent to hampton.

[Sizzlebshu]

This isn't the first time the steelers have missed the playoffs since Harbaughs tenure, and it won't be the last.

Let them worry about the wheels falling off their team. Ozzie will take care of the our business.

My point is last year, the Steelers ended up taking a lot of the talent we as fans wanted (Decastro, Adams, Rainey etc...). Not saying Ozzie would have grabbed them, but our draft last year was not exactly phenomenal.

Upshaw has played well
Osemele has been a bit of a roller coaster
Pierce was the steal of the draft for us

and everyone else was a bit of a disappointment (except for maybe our 7th round pick but the jury is still out)

Edited by Sizzlebshu, 27 December 2012 - 12:51 AM.

[gabefergy]

My point is last year, the Steelers ended up taking a lot of the talent we as fans wanted (Decastro, Adams, Rainey etc...). Not saying Ozzie would have grabbed them, but our draft last year was not exactly phenomenal.

Upshaw has played well
Osemele has been a bit of a roller coaster
Pierce was the steal of the draft for us

and everyone else was a bit of a disappointment (except for maybe our 7th round pick but the jury is still out)

I dont know if we wanted any of those players except maybe DeCastro, but there is really no way he would have fallen much further.

Our draft we have 3 players who have made strong contributions, which is more than a lot of teams can say about their draft classes. I wouldn't call the rest of the players taken disappointments either considering they were taken to be depth. Gino hasnt been needed this season and I think the plan all along was to let him learn from Birk for a year or two before becoming the starter. Streeter is stashed for next season and Thompson was a ST player until he went on IR, and the same for Jackson. His suspension is really the only disappointment IMO. Tyson has been a nice role player for us as a 7th round pick.

[black blood purple passion]

The Steelers losing gives them a fairly valuable draft pick in the upcoming draft. What you may not realize is that the Steelers have many similar needs to the Ravens

O-line at both LT and G

Wide Receiver - Mike Wallace needs to be replaced and Sanders only has a year on his deal left

DT - Casey Hampton may be a cap casulty

Ozzie may find himself stymied this year by the Steelers FO if the prioritize their needs similarly

WR isn't a need for us luckily so hopefully they take one, and push some talent to us.

[RavenFan28105]

They can go ahead and have the better draft pick, we'll still be better then they are next year

[redlobster]

Steelers just drafted a NT, even though he was demoted to their PS after his off the field issues. They also have McClendon at NT who has been a nice player for them. I agree about Polamalu, but they were fine without him for much of this season. I think they need more help on offense than D.

are you talking about Alameda Ta'amu ? because last i knew he wasnt dropped to practice squad he was cut after racking up quite a few felonies. Three charges of felony aggravated assault -- all for allegedly fighting with police -- were withdrawn, but 18 other felony, misdemeanor and summary citations are now headed to Allegheny County Common Pleas Court.

[Sizzlebshu]

I dont know if we wanted any of those players except maybe DeCastro, but there is really no way he would have fallen much further.

Our draft we have 3 players who have made strong contributions, which is more than a lot of teams can say about their draft classes. I wouldn't call the rest of the players taken disappointments either considering they were taken to be depth. Gino hasnt been needed this season and I think the plan all along was to let him learn from Birk for a year or two before becoming the starter. Streeter is stashed for next season and Thompson was a ST player until he went on IR, and the same for Jackson. His suspension is really the only disappointment IMO. Tyson has been a nice role player for us as a 7th round pick.

Whether or not Decastro would have fallen further isnt the point I was trying to make. The point was that the Steelers draft board was probably very similar to ours in how players were ranked and if they pick higher than us we may not get players we want.

I consider Gino a disappointment since he couldnt even fill in at guard. He may end up developing, but he doesnt seem like an heir apparent or especially great linemen either. He may yet be serviceable

Streater is a project we hope will develop, I'm not expecting much tbh

Asa Jackson is a huge disappointment as far as I'm concerned. Took illegal substances and still couldnt get a spot.

Pierce really is the only won who has made strong contributions imo. Upshaw had made moderate contributions but he didnt beat Kruger out for the starting job, but he is still developing so he is nowhere near a bust either

Osemele has been up and down and might not be starting should Mckinnie not have screwed up horrendously with his weight or whatever and put himself in the dog house. He has contributed but at the same time he has shown how green he is as well so the jury is out on him still imo.

I am not saying it was a bad draft, but even Ozzie admitted that talent wise, it was not his best draft nor the deepest, meaning players he wanted got taken before he could pick.

Edited by Sizzlebshu, 27 December 2012 - 03:43 PM.

[Sizzlebshu]

WR isn't a need for us luckily so hopefully they take one, and push some talent to us.

Its not a huge need for the Steelers but its a need nonetheless and with boldin likely gone it may become a need as we are still in need of a true number one.

[Ngata Chance]

My point is last year, the Steelers ended up taking a lot of the talent we as fans wanted (Decastro, Adams, Rainey etc...). Not saying Ozzie would have grabbed them, but our draft last year was not exactly phenomenal.

Upshaw has played well
Osemele has been a bit of a roller coaster
Pierce was the steal of the draft for us

and everyone else was a bit of a disappointment (except for maybe our 7th round pick but the jury is still out)

So would you like to throw a season just to get a better pick than the steelers? And was it Ozzie telling you that they took picks we wanted, or is it your opinion?

Upshaw played through some early season injuries and has progressed each game. He looks good.

Osemele played some of the best defences in the league, and while he has had some misses, he has been pretty good. Great learning experience being thrown into the fire like that.

Pierce looks great. Nuff said.

Gino hasn't started, but has been active each game. He had a great block on the fake punt. His strength needs to improve, and I trust he is working with the staff to do just that. Disappointment?

Thompson was spoken of by Ed Reed. He is now on IR. hard to gauge his value yet.

Jackson. I wouldn't write him off yet, as I don't know the actual story of what happened. I heard the media opinion, but that's not always 100% accurate. Time will tell.

Streeter couldn't crack a crowded WR roster in his rookie year. On IR. 6'5 220 with blazing speed. I'm willing to wait.

Tyson. A 7th rounder that's contributed. How is that disappointing?

I don't know how that's really called a weak draft. We have veterans who have locked up positions. Should we move them out to make room for rookies?

[black blood purple passion]

Its not a huge need for the Steelers but its a need nonetheless and with boldin likely gone it may become a need as we are still in need of a true number one.

If you want to make this team as good as possible with the # of draft picks we have, we need to spend the high ones on linemen.

[Sizzlebshu]

So would you like to throw a season just to get a better pick than the steelers? And was it Ozzie telling you that they took picks we wanted, or is it your opinion?

Upshaw played through some early season injuries and has progressed each game. He looks good.

Osemele played some of the best defences in the league, and while he has had some misses, he has been pretty good. Great learning experience being thrown into the fire like that.

Pierce looks great. Nuff said.

Gino hasn't started, but has been active each game. He had a great block on the fake punt. His strength needs to improve, and I trust he is working with the staff to do just that. Disappointment?

Thompson was spoken of by Ed Reed. He is now on IR. hard to gauge his value yet.

Jackson. I wouldn't write him off yet, as I don't know the actual story of what happened. I heard the media opinion, but that's not always 100% accurate. Time will tell.

Streeter couldn't crack a crowded WR roster in his rookie year. On IR. 6'5 220 with blazing speed. I'm willing to wait.

Tyson. A 7th rounder that's contributed. How is that disappointing?

I don't know how that's really called a weak draft. We have veterans who have locked up positions. Should we move them out to make room for rookies?

No genius I am saying the Steelers losing and having a higher pick than us makes our lives a bit harder especially since we are a team that will be in transition soon (The Ray Lewis Ed Reed Era is ending people).

Upshaw I said has made moderate contributions, but like I said he couldnt beat Kruger out and wasn't even starting when Suggs was out if I remember correctly. So how you call that great is beyond me. Its good and he will likely develop into a very good linebacker but right now has made only moderate contributions. Not to mention that we are taking Suggs with one arm over him (I will acknowledge a Suggs with one arm is probably better than most tho).

Osemele has been a roller coaster which I have said and you are acknowledging. Its a learning experience yes, but still he has been very up and down as a rookie at tackle. Nothing wrong with that, but by no means is he great. He may develop (you never know with tackles), but I dont see anything that separates him from Mike Adams at tackle right now other than value (Adams was terrible on the left and has been basically like Osemele on the right). Who knows who we would have take should Adams have dropped, but I have to wonder if the Ravens really would have passed on him if it werent for his character concerns (his value would have been first or second rounder at tackle then, I dont even remember hearing about Osemele at all during the draft until we picked him.)

Pierce has been great

Gino couldnt win an empty guard spot over jah reid, bobbie williams, ramon harewood etc.... Thats not a knock on him as a center but it is a slight disappointment that with basically an open tryout at guard everyone beat him out.

Asa Jackson is a complete disappointment given what we know so far.

Thompson - jurys out on.

Streeter - he was slated as a project when we picked him, and was projected to go in the 3rd. WE got him in the 6th telling me he needs a lot of work. For a 6th its worth it, but remember how many udfa beat him out for roster spots (williams, deonte, etc...)

Tyson wasnt bad and like for a 7th you may have found an okay rotational player but nothing to write home about either.

So really you got moderate contributions from your 2 second rounders, great contributions from your third and then almost nothing from the others.

All I'm saying is that all of the higher rated talent was basically taken by our rivals ahead of us and that without a deeply talented draft or exceptional scouting by Ozzie (like with pierce) it creates problems for us when our rivals are picking ahead of us and the next few drafts are critically important to making sure our team stays competitive as we transition from the Ray Lewis Era to the Joe Flacco Era.

Edited by Sizzlebshu, 27 December 2012 - 06:16 PM.

[Sizzlebshu]

If you want to make this team as good as possible with the # of draft picks we have, we need to spend the high ones on linemen.

Agreed, but I have a feeling the Steelers will do the same and roll with Sanders and Brown which makes life harder for us as less talent will drop. If the choice is between a talented wideout or below average o-linemen though we gotta take BPA.

Edited by Sizzlebshu, 27 December 2012 - 06:10 PM.

[Mt. Crushmore]

are you talking about Alameda Ta'amu ? because last i knew he wasnt dropped to practice squad he was cut after racking up quite a few felonies. Three charges of felony aggravated assault -- all for allegedly fighting with police -- were withdrawn, but 18 other felony, misdemeanor and summary citations are now headed to Allegheny County Common Pleas Court.

They cut him, and signed him to the practice squad.