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Offensive Line (key to our Superbowl berth)

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I am a firm believer that the offensive line is the key to us succeeding in the playoffs. For example, this past win was dominated by our offensive line albeit Oher had another bad game.

In the denver game, we did not have yanda and we suffered with inside and outside pressure, which pretty much harassed flacco all game(still no excuse for that pick-6).

I know we can rely on marshall yanda, but everybody else is unproven. Jah Reid is doing an average job at lg, but for a newcomer he is exceptional. Is that enough against J.J Watt or Wilfork(still get bad memories from AFCG). Kelechi is as inconsistent as flacco(perhaps there is a trend there), but shut down JPP last game. Matt has underwhelmed but has been serviceable. He consistently loses one on one blocks and concedes pressure up the middle. This could mean another dominant showing by Wilfork if we make it that far in the playoffs.

And now we come to Oher, people may say that pressing needs lie in the dline or ilb or even free safety, but I believe Oher has lost us 3 games blatantly: strip fumble at eagles, strip fumble at pittsburgh, and strip fumble at redskins. This has resulted in scores and has impeded our offense.

For now, lets hope that the oline dominates after last sundays game. Because this is our only hope, if we want the Lombardi trophy. Do you guys think the Oline is as important?
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The offensive line is the MOST important position group on offense. Period. Even more important than the quarterback in my opinion. Even the best QBs looks like trash when they don't get protection. You can't run the ball with a bad line. You can't pass safely and efficiently with a bad line. You [u]need[/u] a strong offensive line.

If our line plays the rest of the season the way they did Sunday, we'll be okay.

I gotta say, Caldwell's play calling helped the line. The diversity and balance in the play calls really helped the line get in a rhythm and play a great game as a unit. Did Joe even get sacked? I can't even remember!
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the O line is most essential to Joe being able to play the game he has the ability to do.
Bottom line - he needs protection = time.
Let's hope they all show up big for the rest of the way!
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356550820' post='1279427']
The offensive line is the MOST important position group on offense. Period. Even more important than the quarterback in my opinion. Even the best QBs looks like trash when they don't get protection. You can't run the ball with a bad line. You can't pass safely and efficiently with a bad line. You [u]need[/u] a strong offensive line.

If our line plays the rest of the season the way they did Sunday, we'll be okay.

I gotta say, Caldwell's play calling helped the line. The diversity and balance in the play calls really helped the line get in a rhythm and play a great game as a unit. Did Joe even get sacked? I can't even remember!
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The only sack came when he tried to do a play action on 3rd and goal from the 1 and the Giants had 8ish guys hitting the line.
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http://russellstreetreport.com/filmstudy-bullies-empowered/

This should give you some food for thought.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356550820' post='1279427']
The offensive line is the MOST important position group on offense. Period. Even more important than the quarterback in my opinion. Even the best QBs looks like trash when they don't get protection. You can't run the ball with a bad line. You can't pass safely and efficiently with a bad line. You [u]need[/u] a strong offensive line.

If our line plays the rest of the season the way they did Sunday, we'll be okay.

I gotta say, Caldwell's play calling helped the line. The diversity and balance in the play calls really helped the line get in a rhythm and play a great game as a unit. Did Joe even get sacked? I can't even remember!
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You are right on the money .The Giants game proved to me that Joe can make all the throws and take us to a Super Bowl if
our oline protects him well .

And Caldwell using the middle of the field was spectacular! Rice and Torrey both got td's this way.
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[quote name='CptJesus' timestamp='1356555818' post='1279490']
http://russellstreetreport.com/filmstudy-bullies-empowered/

This should give you some food for thought.
[/quote]Very fun read, a little disheartening to see our left side of the line being graded so poorly.
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[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1356556585' post='1279500']
Very fun read, a little disheartening to see our left side of the line being graded so poorly.
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The upside being that our rookie had a hell of a day. Flattening JPP is hardly something to sneeze at, and he did it all night pretty much.
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[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1356556585' post='1279500']
Very fun read, a little disheartening to see our left side of the line being graded so poorly.
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Disheartening, yet expected. Its never good to have to look back and say you had three different starters at one position throughout the season (at LG), when none of them went down due to injury. They just sucked.

Oh yeah, and Michael Oher is on that side too...
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Nahh it's definitely important. The only QB in the league that doesn't need an offensive line to be productive is Big Ben. Joe especially needs our O-line to play well because he loses confidence very quick.

But Birk seemed lost at times as well too.

It's a game of inches and games are won and lost in the trenches
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I think the best part about the Giants game is realizing that Joe doesn't need A LOT of time, just more than what our line had been providing as of late. Caldwell obviously said at some point last week, 'Damn, this line sucks, how can we circumvent that?,' and pretty much did what everyone in Baltimore has been clamoring for all year: quick passes to get Joe into a groove.
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I wish we had a 500 pounder for center with a perfect snap every play. If the guards put forth a little effort I think we can get enough time against most with what we have. And if the recievers just put in a little effort to get open , and if Joe can forget about the 120 yard Air Coryell crap....maybe we can at least show up to a game on offense.
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Ive been thinking this whole year that our biggest priority in the off season needs to be the o line.I watch alot of other games and since the main part the camera shows is the qb I look at the type of pocket some of the better qbs in the league get.Our o line isnt even in the top 10 in the league.We need to work on that if we want Joe to become an elite qb.We gotta stop building these run oriented o lines and think about Joe since hes about to become our highest paid player.
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]I totally agree that the o-line is very important. It seems to me to be our weak point. Our defense is getting better every week. All our injured players are healing up. And Joe, recievers and running backs looked great last week with the adjustments that were made. Let's hope for a miracle that the o-line will hold in the play-offs. It will be the only way to win it all.[/font]
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The Giants are walking wounded. JPP has been missing weeks of practice due to a bad back. Tuck wasn't even playing. I'd be careful about getting too excited about Ravens OL because of Giants game.
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[quote name='rayrayven' timestamp='1356585928' post='1279876']
The Giants are walking wounded. JPP has been missing weeks of practice due to a bad back. Tuck wasn't even playing. I'd be careful about getting too excited about Ravens OL because of Giants game.
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Yes, but the Ravens were the pinnacle of health, right?

What's your point?
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[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1356586077' post='1279878']
Yes, but the Ravens were the pinnacle of health, right?

What's your point?
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Giants have had no pass rush all season - nor have they been able to stop the run. They are probably out of the playoffs. If people want to say how Ravens OL improved (and they are in this thread) the Giant game is no test. There are reasons they've crashed and burned since Atlanta game. RBs hurt, DBs hurt, two best DEs hurt, LB out = Giants are a shell. Lets see Ravens handle a team likeTexans - who made them look like a mediocre college OL last year.
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[quote name='HomeoftheBRAVENS' timestamp='1356577585' post='1279807']
Ive been thinking this whole year that our biggest priority in the off season needs to be the o line.I watch alot of other games and since the main part the camera shows is the qb I look at the type of pocket some of the better qbs in the league get.Our o line isnt even in the top 10 in the league.We need to work on that if we want Joe to become an elite qb.We gotta stop building these run oriented o lines and think about Joe since hes about to become our highest paid player.
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This. Flacco gets a lot of crap despite eating turf faster than all who are ranked above him. Give us some quick footed pass blockers and see how Joe performs. I'd get one of the premier LTs in FA and draft someone like Wagner in maybe the third for RT. I've had enough of Oher and I'm sure Flacco has too. Those two, moving Osmele to LG and promoting Grad to C well accend us.
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"Flacco gets a lot of crap despite eating turf faster than all who are ranked above him"

Raven's OL is also why Rice gets pounded in Playoffs when the better defenses are still playing. If the other team is in your backfield when the ball is snapped not much good will come of it. Rice is first guy teams aim to stop. Only a good OL can stop that. Raven's aren't there yet.
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[quote name='rayrayven' timestamp='1356596445' post='1279953']
"Flacco gets a lot of crap despite eating turf faster than all who are ranked above him"

Raven's OL is also why Rice gets pounded in Playoffs when the better defenses are still playing. If the other team is in your backfield when the ball is snapped not much good will come of it. Rice is first guy teams aim to stop. Only a good OL can stop that. Raven's aren't there yet.
[/quote]At least, Rice is shielded by Leach....
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More short routes, especially at the very beginning to get Joe in rhythm. It was nice to see Caldwell calling some nice drive starters with high percentage passes, I hope he continues to work the middle of the field to set up those big plays, then our O-line will have a much easier time keeping our QB upright.
Joe on the other hand looked a little bit better as well. He certainly was much more aware of pressure in the pocket, which is an area he could improve for sure. Plus, that pass to Pitta was sweeeet.
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Pierce might be the weapon of choice for the running game throughout the playoffs. One cut and through which suits are line's ability a lot more then blocking while Rice makes multiple cuts.
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[quote name='Juviebest' timestamp='1356627430' post='1280133']
Pierce might be the weapon of choice for the running game throughout the playoffs. One cut and through which suits are line's ability a lot more then blocking while Rice makes multiple cuts.
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Yeah, im actually starting to think Pierce is the better pure runner.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1356632659' post='1280198']
Yeah, im actually starting to think Pierce is the better pure runner.
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Me too. As much as some people don't want to hear it, I agree. The cool thing is, we might have two elite backs on our hands. I much prefer the - lets keep both fresh approach as opposed to the - lets run our guy into the ground approach.

I think they compliment each other very well and Rice's receiving capabilites brings alot to the table.

Overall, very happy with the RB situation. With a little growth from our o-line in the coming years, we could be nasty at running the ball. However, if we regress, no one will be able to run behind them.
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[quote name='krrock10' timestamp='1356636441' post='1280258']
Me too. As much as some people don't want to hear it, I agree. The cool thing is, we might have two elite backs on our hands. I much prefer the - lets keep both fresh approach as opposed to the - lets run our guy into the ground approach.

I think they compliment each other very well and Rice's receiving capabilites brings alot to the table.

Overall, very happy with the RB situation. With a little growth from our o-line in the coming years, we could be nasty at running the ball. However, if we regress, no one will be able to run behind them.
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See I don't think Rice is an elite runner, he's elite because of how good he is in the backfield. But just in terms of handing the ball off he's not great. Maybe top10-15 ish.
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