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Jimmy Smith (now what?)

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We have many contributors at cb excluding webb like cary, corey and chykie . That's four corners that the team has confidence in, which is just incredible. Now, we also drafted a corner in the first round named Jimmy Smith. He somewhat asserted himself last year, especially in new england. but now he has dropped off to 5th in the depth chart, assuming webb would be number one.

This is no knock on him but praise to ozzie who has turned our cb corps from pitiful(2010) to ,with webb, perhaps best in the league.


Only question now is what is jimmy's role as the presumable 5th corner.Surprising for a a corner touted as the next nnamdi
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Jimmy simply has to try and earn his spot back over the rest of this season and next off-season. It's a shame injuries have prevented him from gaining as much experience his first two seasons.

I doubt he played more snaps than Brown last night but I think he still has a chance to overtake him going into the play-offs.
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Jimmy needs time..... He is a CB, that position takes years to develop, he will be starting next year.... It's hard coming back from an injury.... He will be back.... Trust me. He looked good this year, I saw him play vs Denver basically eliminating Thomas, he shut down Ausitn. Maybe he reinsured something. He is a damn good CB, he will be fine. He will take Cary's spot next year.
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His been injured after another. Very unfortunate for him. This was a frustrating year for him. Hope he can contribute in the playoffs. We need all the help we can get.
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He's still our youngest corner and still has much to learn.

At Colorado he was a very physical corner with a lot of raw talent. Now that he is in the league he's beginning to understand that he can't bully every receiver he's matched up against. I think the sky is the limit for Jimmy as long as he's coachable.
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For Jimmy, he could be a bust. We will know that by this time next year as I have brought that up in a thread here 3 weeks ago. I hope not, but this could be the case.
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[quote name='BMORE_96' timestamp='1356386006' post='1278271']
We have many contributors at cb excluding webb like cary, corey and chykie . That's four corners that the team has confidence in, which is just incredible. Now, we also drafted a corner in the first round named Jimmy Smith. He somewhat asserted himself last year, especially in new england. but now he has dropped off to 5th in the depth chart, assuming webb would be number one.

This is no knock on him but praise to ozzie who has turned our cb corps from pitiful(2010) to ,with webb, perhaps best in the league.


Only question now is what is jimmy's role as the presumable 5th corner.Surprising for a a corner touted as the next nnamdi
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My perception on Jimmy's role is he needs to earn a spot now and if not he will be practice squad bound. He has not remained healthy in any season since he has been drafted and when he is healthy he has some very bad habits which need attention ASAP. If he does not come in and make an impression he will not be in a starters Jersey long as we need adequate corners next season.
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I wish he could just stay healthy. We've seen him play great, and we've seen him get lit up. The more expierence he gets (by staying healthy) the more comfortable he should be. And eventually be starting
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356391957' post='1278353']
My perception on Jimmy's role is he needs to earn a spot now and if not he will be practice squad bound. He has not remained healthy in any season since he has been drafted and when he is healthy he has some very bad habits which need attention ASAP. If he does not come in and make an impression he will not be in a starters Jersey long as we need adequate corners next season.
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1. No way the Ravens would just release/waive Jimmy Smith this early in his career.
2. Jimmy Smith isn't even eligible for the practice squad.

Carry on.
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Austin deserves a lot of respect for the job the Db's have done, really all year. I'm amazed at Brown at corner. I never really liked Jimmy Smith. I hope he pans out though.
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I'm not worried about Jimmy Smith's status on this team. He's been oft injured, something he needs, and I feel he will, get over. He also just needs to grow up some, which he will. He is verrrrry raw talent at the Cornerback position, he still needs time. It was too easy for him in college because he was to physically superior at his position. He's found that won't help him at this level. He will be fine in time as he becomes a true professional.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]As I said yesterday, if they cut anyone at the DB position, it'll be Williams -- he has had more than enough chances. Should be an interesting camp next season to see who gets those prestigious spots in our secondary.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]As others have stated, Jimmy is way too young to be thinking about letting him go now. Look what we put up with from Sergio Kindle...[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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They're not even going to re-sign Cary Williams at the end of the season so theres no reason this is even a topic. JSmith will be back as a starter next year until Webb is able to come back 100% off the knee. Then it will be JSmith at nickel with Webb and Graham.
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[quote name='BMORE_96' timestamp='1356386006' post='1278271']
We have many contributors at cb excluding webb like cary, corey and chykie . That's four corners that the team has confidence in, which is just incredible. Now, we also drafted a corner in the first round named Jimmy Smith. He somewhat asserted himself last year, especially in new england. but now he has dropped off to 5th in the depth chart, assuming webb would be number one.

This is no knock on him but praise to ozzie who has turned our cb corps from pitiful(2010) to ,with webb, perhaps best in the league.


Only question now is what is jimmy's role as the presumable 5th corner.Surprising for a a corner touted as the next nnamdi
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Sorry bud, didn't even read your post but i read you Thread title. NOW WHAT ????

You want to know what i think, Cut him and cut our Losses. Our Secondary is as good as its going to get, and i actually think its going to be or is better without him honestly. Cut our losses NOW , don't let this be another Kindle. If we were to trade him for a draft pick, i dont think we could get more than a 3 rd and 5th pick at best.
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He and Chykie are the youngest corners on the team but Chykie didn't suffer the string of injuries Jimmy had. Also Chykie has made some mistakes as well but they aren't highlighted because he was coming in on 4 WR sets.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1356407253' post='1278489']


Sorry bud, didn't even read your post but i read you Thread title. NOW WHAT ????

You want to know what i think, Cut him and cut our Losses. Our Secondary is as good as its going to get, and i actually think its going to be or is better without him honestly. Cut our losses NOW , don't let this be another Kindle. If we were to trade him for a draft pick, i dont think we could get more than a 3 rd and 5th pick at best.
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I agree that he's been a disappointment thus far, but I just don't see them cutting him while he's playing under his rookie deal. If anything I'm sure they'll wait untill he's up for an extension and then make their decision.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1356386892' post='1278286']
Jimmy needs time..... He is a CB, that position takes years to develop, he will be starting next year.... It's hard coming back from an injury.... He will be back.... Trust me. He looked good this year, I saw him play vs Denver basically eliminating Thomas, he shut down Ausitn. Maybe he reinsured something. He is a damn good CB, he will be fine. He will take Cary's spot next year.
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He needs time, yes, but he has played pretty terrible for being a 1st round pick thus far.
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[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1356409816' post='1278529']
He needs time, yes, but he has played pretty terrible for being a 1st round pick thus far.
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No, not really
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I'm glad most of you aren't running the team. Get rid of Jimmy? Really? He's a 1st round pick with tremendous tools that he has yet to put together. While he's had some rough games, he's also had some really good games.

And to take Chykie Brown over him? Yeah, he played well yesterday. Are we really going to base his skill off of one game? I think he has potential, but to get rid of a 1st rounder because he had one good game? Ridiculous.
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[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1356410784' post='1278539']
Yes, really.
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Nope, sorry
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1356410950' post='1278541']
Nope, sorry
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I assume you mean he doesn't need more time, because he hasn't been productive at all so far. ...sorry
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[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1356411172' post='1278542']
I assume you mean he doesn't need more time, because he hasn't been productive at all so far. ...sorry
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Really? Guess you haven't watched him much.
He hasn't been knock your socks off great, but to say he has played terribly for a first rounder is one hell of a stretch.
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[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1356409816' post='1278529']
He needs time, yes, but he has played pretty terrible for being a 1st round pick thus far.
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Simply not true. Carry on though.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1356411592' post='1278544']
Really? Guess you haven't watched him much.
He hasn't been knock your socks off great, but to say he has played terribly for a first rounder is one hell of a stretch.
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You guessed wrong.
To say he has played anywhere close to the word great is laughable. He was getting beat on double moves all the time, commiting penalties, and when he did make plays it looked like he was getting away with holds and illegal contact. I think he has the potential to play well, but his Chris McCalister style of play is harder to get away with nowadays since the league doesn't allow touching. His ball awareness hasn't been impressive either.

I think all the problems I mentioned above will be solved with health and a little more regular playing time. It hasn't just hasn't happened yet.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1356412012' post='1278549']
Simply not true. Carry on though.
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Will do. The fact that he hasn't seen the field much since being a Raven speaks volumes for me. Thanks
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[quote name='BaltimoreBean' timestamp='1356408901' post='1278515']
I agree that he's been a disappointment thus far, but I just don't see them cutting him while he's playing under his [b]rookie deal. If anything I'm sure they'll wait untill he's up for an extension and then make their decision.[/b]
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No bud , this his second yr. Sorry to bust you bubble. lol Its his second yr.
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[quote name='ravensfan2430' time[b]stamp='1356412430' post='1278551']
You guessed wrong.
To say he has played anywhere close to the word great is laughable. He was getting beat on double moves all the time, commiting penalties, and when he did make plays it looked like he was getting away with holds and illegal contact. I think he has the potential to play well, but his Chris McCalister style of play is harder to get away with nowadays since the league doesn't allow touching. His ball awareness hasn't been impressive either.[/b]

I think all the problems I mentioned above will be solved with health and a little more regular playing time. It hasn't just hasn't happened yet.
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Couldn't have agreed more, this kid just plains sucks. Lets be real, if your getting beat the way you are ( one juke every time) really??? I dont care if you are a rookie or not, you shouldnt be getting beat every SINGLE time with the round you were picked, Just feel ashamed. J.Smith. Nuff said.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1356413077' post='1278558']
Couldn't have agreed more, this kid just plains sucks. Lets be real, if your getting beat the way you are ( one juke every time) really??? I dont care if you are a rookie or not, you shouldnt be getting beat every SINGLE time.
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If he was getting beat every single time he probably would let up a lot of TDs right? Oh wait, Cary is too busy doing that.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1356412012' post='1278549']

Simply not true. Carry on though.
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Yes CARY on......
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[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1356410784' post='1278539']
Yes, really.
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No, really not really.
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[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1356414683' post='1278567']
No, really not really.
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Lol... at least everone that disagrees has a really strong arguement. Absolutely nothing. Good talk
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[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1356414917' post='1278571']
Lol... at least everone that disagrees has a really strong arguement. Absolutely nothing. Good talk
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He's my argument: First, he was great last year so that in itself should speak volumes about his potential. He has shown what he is capable of. Second, he has been plagued with injuries so it's impossible to say anything conclusive about his play because he hasnt been able to string together anything close to a full season. Third, he has often been asked to play out of his element in zone coverages and off-man. He is better when he can be physical and press.

Now for the negatives. He has accrued too many pentalties this season. Some of them have been sketchy which often comes from being a young player. He cant get away with the tricks that vets like Revis and Webb get away with. He has had some issues with tackling in run-support. This is something I am more concerned with because there is no reason for this at all. Easily fixable though. Finally, he has gotten beaten badly on the double moves on at least 3 occassions. It's a problem, but it's something that can be easily corrected.

He has all the tools to be a shut-down corner, and he has shown flashes of that potential this season and last. His play has been inconsistent this year, but he has not been picked on like Cary.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1356415796' post='1278577']

He's my argument: First, he was great last year so that in itself should speak volumes about his potential. He has shown what he is capable of. Second, he has been plagued with injuries so it's impossible to say anything conclusive about his play because he hasnt been able to string together anything close to a full season. Third, he has often been asked to play out of his element in zone coverages and off-man. He is better when he can be physical and press.

Now for the negatives. He has accrued too many pentalties this season. Some of them have been sketchy which often comes from being a young player. He cant get away with the tricks that vets like Revis and Webb get away with. He has had some issues with tackling in run-support. This is something I am more concerned with because there is no reason for this at all. Easily fixable though. Finally, he has gotten beaten badly on the double moves on at least 3 occassions. It's a problem, but it's something that can be easily corrected.

He has all the tools to be a shut-down corner, and he has shown flashes of that potential this season and last. His play has been inconsistent this year, but he has not been picked on like Cary.
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This.... All our CBs should be playin man to man anyway
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1356412883' post='1278557']


No bud , this his second yr. Sorry to bust you bubble. lol Its his second yr.
[/quote] what was wrong with his statement? jimmy is still playing under his rookie deal.
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In no way shape or form had Jimmy ever shown himself to be anywhere near great..

He has the tools to be a great CB and made a few nice plays last year but his overall body of work has been rather disappointing considering his status coming out of college..

He needs more time and needs a chance to play healthy over a period of time before anyone could accurately say bust or not
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[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1356412500' post='1278555']
Will do. The fact that he hasn't seen the field much since being a Raven speaks volumes for me. Thanks
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Um, he's been injured a lot. That's why he hasn't been on the field. o,o

I honestly don't think he's had enough time to develop. When drafting someone, you have to realize that EVERY person is different. You can't expect everyone to come in the league and play lights out. Some people take years to develop. When you're constantly getting injured, it's hard to develop. I don't really think it's fair to call him terrible. Yes, he does need to mature and he does need to improve, but it's only his second year riddled with injuries. Too many fans throw our players under the bus these days.
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It's laughable that people are already ready to name Jimmy Smith a bust or practice squader so soon.

Chykie did have a good game and I he had another good game earlier this season can't remember if it was vs Oakland or San Diego but I remember he and Corey Graham were very impressive.

But one or 2 good games aren't enough for him to just automatically be above a Healthy Jimmy. Last season with limited playing time jimmy displayed his potential make plays. Jimmy needs to stay healthy and get more film study in so that he stops trying to jump on every double move.

Honestly last season Danny Gorrier played very solid in about 3 or 4 games, decent coverage, deflected passes, and he somehow didn't even make the team this year.

The Fact that Cary Williams had a streak of INTs, has made some people forget how badly Cary has performed at times.

But also before last season Cary had never seen significant Game time also. So both he and Jimmy can still improve greatly. However I think Cary Wiliiams will be gone to another team because the InTs may lead to him getting so mid-level offers from Lions, Vikings, Colts, Chiefs, Raiders( so many corners injured Safety Huff switched to CB ), Bucs, Saints, Dolphins are among teams that could offer him a contract.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1356412883' post='1278557']


No bud , this his second yr. Sorry to bust you bubble. lol Its his second yr.
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He is playing under his rookie deal. What are you contesting here?
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Wow. Jimmy, a second year corner, is being called a bust and "terrible." We Ravens fans are so spoiled by the sheer dumb luck we had with Webb that we think Smith is a bust.

Let me make this clear; the success we had with a 3rd round pick turning into the best cover corner in the game is not the norm! Jimmy is doing as well as other second year corners. He does even better when he's in press.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356483430' post='1278976']
Wow. Jimmy, a second year corner, is being called a bust and "terrible." We Ravens fans are so spoiled by the sheer dumb luck we had with Webb that we think Smith is a bust.

Let me make this clear; the success we had with a 3rd round pick turning into the best cover corner in the game is not the norm! Jimmy is doing as well as other second year corners. He does even better when he's in press.
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I'm shocked people are so negative towards Smith. He's been injured. What do people expect. Perhaps he can train a little better to avoid injuries, but if I am not mistaken his injuries an ankle (due to freak conditions more than poor training) & a hernia, which is rather difficult to train for except for abdominal exercises and even then that can cause hernias as well. His injuries aren't from poor technique or conditioning as in lack of strength. Smith's a very physically gifted CB, actually.

I'm getting a little tired of people so down on Smith. Brown and Gorrer looked good but look at the whole picture. Who did they play? Who beat them? Smith has everything on Brown except that he keeps biting on those double moves. That needs to stop. Other than that, he's good.
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[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1356418053' post='1278591']
what was wrong with his statement? jimmy is still playing under his rookie deal.
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Oh, i must have read it wrong then. I thought you said his Rookie yr.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1356455783' post='1278768']
He is playing under his rookie deal. What are you contesting here?
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Must have read it wrong, thought he said Rookie Yr.
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wow.

I don't have a problem with Jimmy. I think he would be much better at this point if it were not for injuries but I think he will pan out in the end.
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[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1356528309' post='1279160']
wow.

I don't have a problem with Jimmy. I think he would be much better at this point if it were not for injuries but I think he will pan out in the end.
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I agree
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I think the issue with smith is , beyond his constant injuries , is at Colorado he probably got away with things because of his physical skills . In the nfl you need to mentally abd physically be competent , he is learning that he can't get by on just talent alone .
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