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Once again the Oz has found a gem that was on no ones radar. I am of course talking about Pierce. The guy has feature RB potential. He is not afraid of contact and i think he likes the contact. Oz has came through yet again and we are so blessed to have him. Pierce you are a BEAST and are a "True Raven" in every sense of the title. Play hard, punish the opponent and gain yards. Now that's Ravens Football my friends.
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Oops we did it again!

Pierce is a beast though, but I think he was on quite a few radars. I think the biggest knock on him was the amount of mileage he had coming out of college.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356385038' post='1278257']
Once again the Oz has found a gem that was on no ones radar. I am of course talking about Pierce. The guy has feature RB potential. He is not afraid of contact and i think he likes the contact. Oz has came through yet again and we are so blessed to have him. Pierce you are a BEAST and are a "True Raven" in every sense of the title. Play hard, punish the opponent and gain yards. Now that's Ravens Football my friends.
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We seem to have done a nice job. Though, we could have had Alfred Morris too... I do realize the draft is a funny thing and not all players work in all systems. Pierce has been a nice player for us this year.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356385038' post='1278257']
Once again the Oz has found a gem that was on no ones radar. I am of course talking about Pierce. The guy has feature RB potential. He is not afraid of contact and i think he likes the contact. Oz has came through yet again and we are so blessed to have him. Pierce you are a BEAST and are a "True Raven" in every sense of the title. Play hard, punish the opponent and gain yards. Now that's Ravens Football my friends.
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I might get some crap for this But i think B.P can/does run better than Rice.

Rice is more dangerous with the Check downs, i don't think anyone Has,Can or Will do it better.
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[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1356385286' post='1278261']
Oops we did it again!

Pierce is a beast though, but I think he was on quite a few radars. I think the biggest knock on him was the amount of mileage he had coming out of college.
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I wasnt really impressed when we drafted him and then they showed the Highlights after the Draft pick on him but watching him in the Preseason , i realized the dude can ball.
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He's especially great to watch when he goes up the guts, like that really big run towards the end of the game. He's another one of these guys that complements Rice really well.

What surprised me against the Chargers was on that failed 4th and 1, since I just expected Flacco to hand him the ball and let him run at someone. A RB that can slog it up the middle for an almost guaranteed yard or two is nice to have.

[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]We seem to have done a nice job. Though, we could have had Alfred Morris too... I do realize the draft is a funny thing and not all players work in all systems. Pierce has been a nice player for us this year.[/font][/color][/quote]
I'll admit that I haven't watched a lot of Morris (and I was on the train home when we played the 'Skins so I missed that game), but I'd imagine Pierce could be just as good if he were the feature RB at a team like the Redskins. Every subsequent thought about the draft is always going to be speculation, though.
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I hate to say I told you so, but I did. I loved Pierce as a prospect and was thrilled when we took him while everyone else was questioning the move. He had doubters throughout TC and preseason but I repeatedly told everyone he would be a great compliment to Rice. It looks like we have quite the tandem moving forward at RB.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1356389919' post='1278331']
I might get some crap for this But i think B.P can/does run better than Rice.

Rice is more dangerous with the Check downs, i don't think anyone Has,Can or Will do it better.
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I was thinking the same think but they have 2 different running styles. BP is a more of a run over you guy and Rice makes some ridiculous cuts. They accentuate each others style very well. Come the 3rd and 4rth quarters and BP pounds right through you it can break spirits. I love this tandem.
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And he's only a rookie. He's been great for us this year, and it's super important for our offense to have somebody like him who can give Ray his breaks.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356385038' post='1278257']
Once again the Oz has found a gem that was on no ones radar. I am of course talking about Pierce. The guy has feature RB potential. He is not afraid of contact and i think he likes the contact. Oz has came through yet again and we are so blessed to have him. Pierce you are a BEAST and are a "True Raven" in every sense of the title. Play hard, punish the opponent and gain yards. Now that's Ravens Football my friends.
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Pierce was a great find. I would almost add Anthony Allen to that as well. He's been a great special teamer and decent 3rd back all for a 7th round pick.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356391753' post='1278349']
I was thinking the same think but they have 2 different running styles. [b]BP is a more of a run over you guy and Rice makes some ridiculous cuts. They accentuate each others style very well.[/b] Come the 3rd and 4rth quarters and BP pounds right through you it can break spirits. I love this tandem.
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B.P. will make some cuts too though.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1356393221' post='1278372']
B.P. will make some cuts too though.
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Yeah Pierce is one-cut and gone type of guy. Rice makes people miss multiple times.
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Hopefully, this will motivate Rice to play better, knowing that he has competition in the backfield!
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A beast, just like the other BP on defense and he looks like an everydown RB. His smooth runningstyle kinda reminds me of Matt Forte.
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Peirce is on pace to have the best season of any backup RB for the Ravens since 08'. Now obviously he won't have as many TDs as Willis did in 09', but he's definitely ballin.

If the Ravens stick with this pass to get the lead and run to win the game approach, both Rice and Peirce will have many games like they did Sunday. Spread people out, run against light front, pass when they stack the box. The no huddle uptempo approach will tire defensive fronts and thats when you play power football to pound away at guys.

I love the idea of keeping Rice fresh because, he tends to slow down come playoff time. His lack of postseason production has more to do with defenses not wanting him to beat them, but you still want him fresh.

Ray shouldn't be a every down back like, AP, Foster, Jackson and Drew. Having another back that defenses have to account for will only make Rice and the offense that much more dynamic. Peirce seems to be that guy.

I think AA might be used as a HB/FB in the coming years, with either Berry or Rainey as #3. I look at the versatility of Leach and feel the Ravens will look to become even more dynamic by using AA. A guy who can take that FB dive and gain separation really good yards. Remember he did it in college. I'm not saying the Ravens get rid of Leach, but next year is his last and I don't think they'd be willing to pay big bucks to a FB anymore.

AA won't crush people like Leach, but he's plenty physical enough. Add about 8-10 pounds, he'd be 6'1" 230-235Lbs. I think he'd manage.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1356396575' post='1278400']
Peirce is on pace to have the best season of any backup RB for the Ravens since 08'. Now obviously he won't have as many TDs as Willis did in 09', but he's definitely ballin.

If the Ravens stick with this pass to get the lead and run to win the game approach, both Rice and Peirce will have many games like they did Sunday. Spread people out, run against light front, pass when they stack the box. The no huddle uptempo approach will tire defensive fronts and thats when you play power football to pound away at guys.

I love the idea of keeping Rice fresh because, he tends to slow down come playoff time. His lack of postseason production has more to do with defenses not wanting him to beat them, but you still want him fresh.

Ray shouldn't be a every down back like, AP, Foster, Jackson and Drew. Having another back that defenses have to account for will only make Rice and the offense that much more dynamic. Peirce seems to be that guy.

I think AA might be used as a HB/FB in the coming years, with either Berry or Rainey as #3. I look at the versatility of Leach and feel the Ravens will look to become even more dynamic by using AA. A guy who can take that FB dive and gain separation really good yards. Remember he did it in college. I'm not saying the Ravens get rid of Leach, but next year is his last and I don't think they'd be willing to pay big bucks to a FB anymore.

AA won't crush people like Leach, but he's plenty physical enough. Add about 8-10 pounds, he'd be 6'1" 230-235Lbs. I think he'd manage.
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I like that last idea. I know Allen added some weight before this season. Maybe they are planning to put him at FB when Leach is gone. I read a few reports saying that he was a great blocking back in college. He could end up being the prototypical fullback in this era. These days, fullbacks are expected to run the ball and receive just as much as they are expected to block. I'd support this idea if the coaches did it.
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Wasn't Pierce a guy people knew about? I didn't think he was a 'come from nowhere' pick.
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Pierce needs to work on his cardio.
I was SO disappointed when he ran out of gas on that big run on sunday.
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[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1356404164' post='1278465']
Pierce needs to work on his cardio.
I was SO disappointed when he ran out of gas on that big run on sunday.
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He's a pro athlete. His cardio is fine.

Not many guys out there don't run out of gas on a 70+ yarder.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356404494' post='1278467']
He's a pro athlete. His cardio is fine.

Not many guys out there don't run out of gas on a 70+ yarder.
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He is right..... Pierce would be starting on most teams. I like him... Only teams he would not be starting on
Vikings
Titans
Texans
Browns
Ravens
Seattle
Buffalo
Philly
Tampa

That is about it.....
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356404494' post='1278467']


He's a pro athlete. His cardio is fine.

Not many guys out there don't run out of gas on a 70+ yarder.
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Yeah I know. He was SO close.
I wish he would have out run those goons.
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[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1356405262' post='1278475']
Yeah I know. He was SO close.
I wish he would have out run those goons.
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I wish man. Would've been great.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356402802' post='1278452']


I like that last idea. I know Allen added some weight before this season. Maybe they are planning to put him at FB when Leach is gone. I read a few reports saying that he was a great blocking back in college. He could end up being the prototypical fullback in this era. These days, fullbacks are expected to run the ball and receive just as much as they are expected to block. I'd support this idea if the coaches did it.
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Yea he was the lead back in the option offense at GT. Some reports said the reason he wasn't drafted higher was because teams didn't know how he'd adjust to reading block 7 yards of the LOS instead of 3-4 yards like he did at GT.

So he's used to lining up at the FB position and that would be a way to get another weapon on the field.
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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1356393597' post='1278376']
Yeah Pierce is one-cut and gone type of guy. [b] Rice makes people miss multiple times.[/b]
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Yea but at the same time, Rice will trip over his own Shoe laces. lol
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[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1356403846' post='1278462']
Wasn't Pierce a guy people knew about? I didn't think he was a 'come from nowhere' pick.
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It was a bit of a surprise to trade up to take a RB, but he was definitely a player on a lot of people's radar. Looking back it makes a lot of sense, considering Ricky Williams retired out of the blue and there was a bit of a contract situation with Rice.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1356407310' post='1278490']


It was a bit of a surprise to trade up to take a RB, but he was definitely a player on a lot of people's radar. Looking back it makes a lot of sense, considering Ricky Williams retired out of the blue and there was a bit of a contract situation with Rice.
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That's why the Ravens needed to trade up, because enough people knew about him, that they thought he would be available.

It was a really strong pick.

I'lll also give Harbs so props here, a lot of people questioned going with a RB backup to Rice after having veteran guys the last few years.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1356390312' post='1278338']
I hate to say I told you so, but I did. I loved Pierce as a prospect and was thrilled when we took him while everyone else was questioning the move. He had doubters throughout TC and preseason but I repeatedly told everyone he would be a great compliment to Rice. It looks like we have quite the tandem moving forward at RB.
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I remember agreeing with you on draft-day because we had to explain that Pierce was drafted as a complementary back, not a starter.

I don't think Pierce would've had an immediate impact as the lead back this season, but his effectiveness off the bench is why he's produced. In time, he may eventually justify more carries than Rice -- and frankly, this wouldn't be the worst problem to have.
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Bernard Pierce is a beast. I remember when we were all complaining when the FO traded up to pick a RB when we had Ray Rice. Looks like they know 10x better than we ever did. I like the Pierce has had a fairly heavy workload with Rice even sitting out for long stretches. If the guy is successful they let him ball. Great find.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1356408166' post='1278497']


That's why the Ravens needed to trade up, because enough people knew about him, that they thought he would be available.

It was a really strong pick.

I'lll also give Harbs so props here, a lot of people questioned going with a RB backup to Rice after having veteran guys the last few years.
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Pierce has been a fantastic pick for the Ravens. I think there is enormous value in the selection. You have a guy who can complement Ray Rice and they can keep each other fresh. You also have a guy who can have time to learn and develop if there are areas in need of development. And finally you have a player who can eventually replace your Ray Rice. The nice thing is when Rice's contract is up Pierce should have more tread on his tires from the complementary use he is receiving.

Also, I agree with all your points once again regarding Allen. I think he can be an effective FB. Supposedly, he has good hands. The only thing Leach seems to have over him is being straight-up nasty. Hopefully AA can develop that nasty, hard-hitting attitude because I love it.

Having Allen definitely makes it easier to release Leach, but that is assuming we believe AA can actually be a FB. I'd like to see him actually take a few snaps before doing such a move.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1356408879' post='1278514']

Pierce has been a fantastic pick for the Ravens. I think there is enormous value in the selection. You have a guy who can complement Ray Rice and they can keep each other fresh. You also have a guy who can have time to learn and develop if there are areas in need of development. And finally you have a player who can eventually replace your Ray Rice. The nice thing is when Rice's contract is up Pierce should have more tread on his tires from the complementary use he is receiving.

Also, I agree with all your points once again regarding Allen. I think he can be an effective FB. Supposedly, he has good hands. The only thing Leach seems to have over him is being straight-up nasty. Hopefully AA can develop that nasty, hard-hitting attitude because I love it.

Having Allen definitely makes it easier to release Leach, but that is assuming we believe AA can actually be a FB. I'd like to see him actually take a few snaps before doing such a move.
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I agree, I actually think you could put Rainey in that develop role as well. Was highly impressed with his speed and quickness in the preseason. Not sure where he stands in coaches eyes.

Yea you definitely want to see AA in that FB role before committing. I've seen AA blow some guys up on ST blocks, but it takes a certain type of guy to be nasty like Leach. Not sure if AA has that, yet, but maybe he can develop it like you said.

I really like the offense moving forward and think the only area of concern is oline. Upgrade the LT position with a "proven" guy like Albert and the rest falls in place. Oher goes back to RT, KO goes to LG and Gino/upgrade at Center. But that's another topic.

I think in a ideal world, the Ravens would like to run about 70 plays per game. A balanced mix of 40 pass 30 run would keep everyone involved. With 30 rush attempts, i'd like to see Peirce get about 10 touches. I could see Peirce racking up close to 800 yards next seasons. With Rice still having his 1,200 yards or so. I think the Ravens will be one of the truly balanced offenses, with both explosive passing and running.
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My earlier post wasn't to discredit Pierce or his involvement with the offense this year, only to point out that it's not like the kid was a diamond in the rough or anything, he was a known commodity we traded up to snag. Great value though when you think about it. It's no small thing to note that while in gamethreads we were wondering, 'Where the heck is Rice?!,' and he was on the sidelines..where he put himself numerous times when he himself has called Pierce in :lol:. It's pretty awesome though to see Rice's FRESH ([b]FRESH!!) [/b]legs because of earlier spelling by Bernard. In at least that way, Cam and Rice helped us.
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His starting to grow on me. Its unbelievable how fortunate we are lately in getting solid group of weapons for offense. Torrey(a hit), Dennis Pitta(a hit), Pierce (a hit)

If only they can grow from here on out...they can be one of the premier players in NFL.
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I dont want this to turn into a Rice vs. Pierce thread as they both bring a different skill set to the table, but man, I really really like Pierce. Second running back in the second round that Ozzie hammered home.

What share of the carries would you want Pierce to get? I say around 40% at a minimum. I am a big fan of keeping Rice fresh for the long haul. We signed Rice for 5 years, I want to get max value out of that deal.

Thoughts?
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Lets be glad that we got him ozzie jumped up to get him cause the steelers wanted him. They were high on him would have taken him in the second likely if adams didnt fall
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Young fresh legs this time of year headed toward the playoffs has to be a plus. Now if his blitz pickup is okay,then we're really onto something.
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[quote name='krrock10' timestamp='1356443923' post='1278652']
[u][i][b]I dont want this to turn into a Rice vs. Pierce thread [/b][/i][/u]as they both bring a different skill set to the table, but man, I really really like Pierce. Second running back in the second round that Ozzie hammered home.

What share of the carries would you want Pierce to get? I say around 40% at a minimum. I am a big fan of keeping Rice fresh for the long haul. We signed Rice for 5 years, I want to get max value out of that deal.

Thoughts?
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then don't! lol!

~Mili
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I really like him as well. He is pretty good using the edge and when he finds the hole he doesn't hesitate and hits it full speed. He is really piercing the defence! I'll show myself out now. Sorry!
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[quote name='krrock10' timestamp='1356443923' post='1278652']
I dont want this to turn into a Rice vs. Pierce thread as they both bring a different skill set to the table, but man, I really really like Pierce. Second running back in the second round that Ozzie hammered home.

What share of the carries would you want Pierce to get? I say around 40% at a minimum. I am a big fan of keeping Rice fresh for the long haul. We signed Rice for 5 years, I want to get max value out of that deal.

Thoughts?
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1356389825' post='1278328']


We seem to have done a nice job. Though, we could have had Alfred Morris too... I do realize the draft is a funny thing and not all players work in all systems. Pierce has been a nice player for us this year.
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I had this same thought. Alfred Morris does run really hard but Shanahans zone running scheme has always been well for one-cut backs with even less talent such as Orlandis Gary, Mike Anderson. ( there is a laundry list of 1,000 backs in his system. Even Kubiak has had this in Houston D.Davis, S.Slaton , now Foster ).

Pierce runs extremely hard I like his running style a lot, he doesn't usually waste time shaking laterally, he tries to hit the hole and go.

At times this season I've wondered how B.Rainey might have ran too.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1356389919' post='1278331']
I might get some crap for this But i think B.P can/does run better than Rice.

Rice is more dangerous with the Check downs, i don't think anyone Has,Can or Will do it better.
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Why would you get crap? He is a rookie and been averaging more yards per carry even if you take away his big break away run. Rice is definitely the man on the check downs though. Catching the ball is why I love Rice.
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[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1356404164' post='1278465']
Pierce needs to work on his cardio.
I was SO disappointed when he ran out of gas on that big run on sunday.
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That DB had some wheels, so don't be disappointed, he was slowly gaining on him the whole play.
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Pierce was on eople's radars for sure. He was a Hiesman prospect before. He also had some monstrous numbers. Look forward to seeing him do some more work. He's my favorite runner on the team by far
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[quote name='krrock10' timestamp='1356443923' post='1278652']
I dont want this to turn into a Rice vs. Pierce thread as they both bring a different skill set to the table, but man, I really really like Pierce. Second running back in the second round that Ozzie hammered home.

What share of the carries would you want Pierce to get? I say around 40% at a minimum. I am a big fan of keeping Rice fresh for the long haul. We signed Rice for 5 years, I want to get max value out of that deal.

Thoughts?
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Pierce was drafted in the third round not the second
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[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1356450284' post='1278722']
I had this same thought. Alfred Morris does run really hard but Shanahans zone running scheme has always been well for one-cut backs with even less talent such as Orlandis Gary, Mike Anderson. ( there is a laundry list of 1,000 backs in his system. Even Kubiak has had this in Houston D.Davis, S.Slaton , now Foster ).

Pierce runs extremely hard I like his running style a lot, he doesn't usually waste time shaking laterally, he tries to hit the hole and go.

At times this season I've wondered how B.Rainey might have ran too.
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Don't we run some of Houston's zone blocking? There was that whole list of pieces about how Leach was basically teaching us how to do it right.
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[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Pierce, to me, is a hybrid between a Ray Rice & Willis McGahee... great downhill runner but can elude tackles.[/font][/i]

[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Cannot believe we didn't punch him into the endzone with 1st & Goal.[/font][/i]

[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]~ Cosmic[/font][/i]
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[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1356405262' post='1278475']
Yeah I know. He was SO close.
I wish he would have out run those goons.
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lol! i wanted him to score too but he doesn't have the speed of Rice. and besides...i believe that defender was running a good angle to catch up to him. the whole time he was running i was shouting...[i]"score pierce! score pierce! score pierce!"[/i] lol!

~Mili
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1356476625' post='1278935']
lol! i wanted him to score too but he doesn't have the speed of Rice. and besides...i believe that defender was running a good angle to catch up to him. the whole time he was running i was shouting...[i]"score pierce! score pierce! score pierce!"[/i] lol!

~Mili
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The good news is Pierce DOES have a TD this season. ( although I cant not recall which game )
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