Bogus Call on Reed

[Corvus]

If they're going to suspend him, which they probably will, they better hurry up and settle on it for this week. It was an absolutely bogus call, his shoulder was the only thing that made any contact whatsoever with Cruz's helmet. A completely clean hit, but the NFL has the refs throwing flags at any big hit like a pavlovian dog salivates at some food. I'm hoping the NFL does their diligence and reviews the play to see what we all know, but that may be wishful thinking...

A pretty poorly officiated game on both sides, I can't believe that side judge was trying to rule that one Boldin 3rd down grab on the crossing route incomplete...after taking 3 full strides in bounds before falling to the sideline. I won't even get into the Jacoby Jones TD, at least it didn't wind up mattering.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1356318921' post='1277184']
Ball came out though as he was coming to the ground
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Yeah, doesnt matter. Again, NOT the CJ rule here. Doesnt apply and it was a bad call. Even the old head of officiating, Mike P, was amazed at the poor call. It was wrong.

[redlobster]

any links to said hit? I missed it earlier during the game

[-Truth-]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1356320916' post='1277259']
Yeah, doesnt matter. Again, NOT the CJ rule here. Doesnt apply and it was a bad call. Even the old head of officiating, Mike P, was amazed at the poor call. It was wrong.
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You are correct. The situation was different from Calvin's because he was already in the end zone at the time of the reception. This scenario is actually more similar to that of the TD by Danario Alexander against Denver. The play was originally called a TD, reviewed and confirmed. The ruling was that the reception was made before the WR was in the end zone, and that the crossing of the plane ended the play. There was a little confusion surrounding that catch, but Jones' score was clearer, in my opinion. This was one of several shoddy calls of the afternoon.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1356340801' post='1277584']


You are correct. The situation was different from Calvin's because he was already in the end zone at the time of the reception. This scenario is actually more similar to that of the TD by Danario Alexander against Denver. The play was originally called a TD, reviewed and confirmed. The ruling was that the reception was made before the WR was in the end zone, and that the crossing of the plane ended the play. There was a little confusion surrounding that catch, but Jones' score was clearer, in my opinion. This was one of several shoddy calls of the afternoon.
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Yup. Thats a perfect comparison. I was completely dumbfounded that it was overturned. Two times Jacoby has had TDs taken away by bogus calls.

[arnie_uk]

Greshams isn't even similar because he didn't have control until he was actually already across the plane so the Calvin Johnson rule applied on his catch.

Jacoby caught at the two had full control and made a football move by stretching out so the second the ball breaks the plane the play is dead. Nothing else matters. Touchdown.

[Hardbaugh]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1356311334' post='1276734']
Yeah...I have a bad feeling about Ed Reed getting suspended. He was a target before this game. They may get him here. I really hope he doesn't get suspended, but if he is suspended and it is only one game I would want this game to be it.
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Boy, there's no doubt in my mind he is being singled out. Anything close draws a flag. Not that there ever was a question but if there was any question calls on the field are dictated by the league office (see Steeler Super Bowls, Ben's fumble in Miami) it should not be any longer.

[TXRaven]

Lets hope they don't suspend him. Horrible call. No doubt it was a clean hit but unfortunately you can't hit anyone hard anymore or they will throw a flag. The officials were absolutely horrible and I am sure it is not the case but it sure seemed like they were trying to get the Giants back into the game. I have never seen so many one sided bad calls.

[fistfullwales]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' timestamp='1356312691' post='1276829']
Its funny they showed the replay and his helmet was NO WHERE NEAR cruz's helmet but the announce.. maybe aikman? or the other guy said after 2-3 replays "clearly a helment to helmet hit" me and the guys i watched it with were like.. what? Im not going to say it wasn't a shoulder to head hit but helmet to helmet?
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I noticed this too and was thinking how he could have any credibility left when he says something with so much conviction that is clearly incorrect - he must be blind. He probably glanced at the monitor and made up his mind without looking closely. Sounded like an idiot - terrible call. All shoulder.

[Militant X 1]

Reed brought the pain on that hit and made Cruz breathe out snot bubbles (reference from the movie "The Program"). lol!

~Mili

[Crabcakes&Football]

Looked perfectly legal to me. It was just a big hit is all.

[HarleypsychRN]

This was one of the worst ref crews in recent memory. So many bad calls against one team. That TD they called back was insane.

[jdynamite]

I think it's really messed up how Often Safeties and Cb are getting penalized and fined for making tackles. Watching so many games on my NFL Ticket hearing commentators say " oh his helmet is down, whether it be Ed Reed, Goldson, Chancellor etc. all of the hits really were shoulder to Body hits. But because enough force was applied that the head jerked in a direction the refs throw the flag. Well that's understandable if their not sure but maybe that should become reviewable by a side official immediately upon the flag being thrown. Because it can clearly be seen when the helmet doesn't make contact.

I like what Deion Sanders said when seeing some of those plays, he said " that's a defensive tackle, oh he lead with his head well the head is above the shoulders and the shoulders are going forward for the tackle.

Are defenders not suppose to even attempt to dislodge the ball anymore? I should defenders do like D.Hall did watch a WR make a catch wait for them to land and try to strip the ball out unsuccessfully?

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1356311610' post='1276747']
Oh add in the Jacoby Jones td recalled
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I saw helmet hit helmet in the Reed hit, but how in the world did they overturn that TD. I thought that it was a TD when he crossed the plane of the goal line with the ball. He had control of the ball, made a football move to score, and only lost the ball after he was completely across the line. In my book, this was a terrible call.

[jdynamite]

I could understand if players were making ( Spear-like hits ) similar to how Aeneas Williams & Rodney Harrison. They really use to go airborne helmet to helmet on players. Kill shots

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1356314943' post='1276976']
Gosh, my buddy and I were almost ready to leave the stadium once that bogus unnecessary roughness call on Ed Reed was called, seeing how the game was over by that point. Clearly, at no point, did Reed's helmet come anywhere close to touching Victor Cruz's helmet. That "penalty" was shown over-and-over, again, on the jumbotrons and Ed Reed only lead with his shoulder. If the game was pretty close, at that moment, I'm 100% positive the crowd would have started another "coo manure" chant because every member of The Flock was ticked!

I mean, as others have pointed out, the referees [i]definitely [/i]called a lot of ridiculous penalties against the Ravens, today: Ed Reed's unnecessary roughness penalty, Torrey Smith's blindsided block, Terrell Suggs' [i]phantom [/i]offsides penalty (when Dannell Ellerbe nano-blitzed Eli Manning on the Giants first drive), and even that penalty were the offensive line got in trouble, even though New York's defensive line jumped offsides first.

Just crazy; sometimes, as it has been said before, it seems like one team, more often-than-not, actually has to play both the opposing team and the zebras. The one positive, if Ed Reed gets suspended, is that this Ravens/Bengals game is meaningless, for the most part. Hey, at least that means Ed Reed is going to be angry, come playoff time!
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I really see Reed getting suspended for this because the league wants to make a statement and he's this year's goat. He is coming back in time for the playoffs. I really think that he will consider retirement after playing under the microscope this year.

[jdynamite]

I think at times the crowd ( ooooo awwww) dictates if it was a big enough hit for flag.

Next season I'm sure WRs will began to practice and perfect the James Harden head flop ( that he uses in the NBA to get fouls ) so that every time they are hit it gives the look of a helmet to helmet because their head is bobbling all over.

With such quick reaction time refs would be forced to just throw the flag.

[Bobby]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1356367549' post='1277910']
I think at times the crowd ( ooooo awwww) dictates if it was a big enough hit for flag.

Next season I'm sure WRs will began to practice and perfect the James Harden head flop ( that he uses in the NBA to get fouls ) so that every time they are hit it gives the look of a helmet to helmet because their head is bobbling all over.

With such quick reaction time refs would be forced to just throw the flag.
[/quote]

THIS^ NFL is gonna start looking like soccer (and I love soccer)...where everyone flops to get a call....

[reediddy]

ER and Chancellor are both probably going to draw the short end of the stick this week...it's really a shame because those are the types of hits most true fans miss. That Chancellor hit was GREAT. And the one Ed laid on Cruz, that's what you do to WR's, that's how you intimidate. Even Torrey's block falls under the same category. It's freaking football!!! Loved all three of those plays

[nextgen_RavensFan]

He put his shoulder into his chest, legal as it can be. First we turn QB's into queens you cannot even lay a hand on and now they are turning receivers into princesses. Pretty soon we will actually be playing 2 hand touch football but do not touch them to hard. What has happened to football ?

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1356311827' post='1276762']
That one was iffy, Calvin Johnson rule applied and it wasn't a TD.
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I honestly don't know if that was the correct call because Joe and Troy thought it should've been a TD, but I would compare the Jacoby play yesterday to the Gresham no TD against us last year.

But during the game, I was PISSED about it, even when we were up 24-7. I didn't really get over it until we put it away in the 2nd half

[RavensAllTheWay]

And yes, the penalty on Reed was BS to say the least.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1356367391' post='1277908']
I really see Reed getting suspended for this because the league wants to make a statement and he's this year's goat. He is coming back in time for the playoffs. I really think that he will consider retirement after playing under the microscope this year.
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I doubt there is a suspension or even a fine. I just watched the play a couple of times and it's apparent that he led with his forearms and not his helmet. Their heads bumped but that was incidental to the hit. Total knee jerk reaction to the violence of the hit.

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1356375596' post='1278074']
I honestly don't know if that was the correct call because Joe and Troy thought it should've been a TD, but I would compare the Jacoby play yesterday to the Gresham no TD against us last year.

But during the game, I was PISSED about it, even when we were up 24-7. I didn't really get over it until we put it away in the 2nd half
[/quote]Like I said it is very similar, the problem is he spun while holding the ball, if he would have maybe been able to spin and make just a step with his foot in bounce and dive into the end zone it would have been a TD. I mean it definitely looked like a TD as it happened.

[rlh445]

Eh also, the guy with the ball was sandwiched in between Reed and another defender which is why their helmets ended up touching. Ed even tried to help the guy up, what more do you want?

[Ed_Reed20]

Sounds like he probably [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/24/report-reed-unlikely-to-be-suspended/"]won't be suspended[/url].

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1356367175' post='1277900']


I saw helmet hit helmet in the Reed hit, but how in the world did they overturn that TD. I thought that it was a TD when he crossed the plane of the goal line with the ball. He had control of the ball, made a football move to score, and only lost the ball after he was completely across the line. In my book, this was a terrible call.
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Well remember the Torrey td in the Championship game last year ?

He caught the ball streaked down the sideline and stretched out ,the ball touched the pylon and fell to the ground .

Touchdown . Same scenario ,Jacoby reached out and ball crossed the plane . Two moves . Those refs should
be fined for overturning that Td .