Jim Caldwell / Offense Week 16 Thread

[Sizzlebshu]

What I liked
The receivers used the entire route tree
The playcalling varied
The above took immense pressure off the o-line
Ray Rice got 25+ touches

What I didnt like
We pretty much solely threw at Webster (while this is good strategy, its situational and we won't be facing him every week)
The Giants pass rush flat didnt show up today. I didnt see any extraordinary blocks
Joe's deep ball placement still needs some work.

[Bravens292]

this was what i wanted all into 1 game. he gave joe easy throws to get him going, always considered Ray, and gave some really impressive wrinkles like the PA rollouts and more back shoulder throws. Also, he was aggressive even when penalties backed us up. Joe made some great throws, Wr's made some really nice catches, and the oline (outside the penalties) played a really solid game. Best game we've played in a long time. i'm hoping this wasn't one of those deals where the offense makes you encouraged by what you see, then the next week rolls around and its back to normal. i want this offense to stay.

[flaccopoe]

I like that Caldwell actually decided to utilize the Ravens' backs! Bernard Pierce is on fire right now and Rice is starting to get back on his Crimson Knight groove. I look forward to seeing much more from Pierce and Leach, as well.

[flaccopoe]

I hope BAL's offense becomes like DET, where there are several great backs who complement each other, fulfilling different roles, both on the ground and in the air. BAL has a better version of DET's tight end corps and a dynamic receiving corps- though not Megatron, obviously. Let's see if Caldwell can keep BAL''s ball rolling!

[omar586]

this is probably the only game this season where we had a almost 40 minutes of TOP. when u give your D that much time rest on the sideline thats great game.

[flaccopoe]

BAL had 553 yards! Now that's what I called a high-powered offense! Hopefully, it's not a fluke and will continue into the playoffs, like the Giants did last year on their path to the Lombardi Trophy.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1356323740' post='1277358']
What I liked
The receivers used the entire route tree
The playcalling varied
The above took immense pressure off the o-line
Ray Rice got 25+ touches

[b]What I didnt like
We pretty much solely threw at Webster (while this is good strategy, its situational and we won't be facing him every week)[/b]
The Giants pass rush flat didnt show up today. I didnt see any extraordinary blocks
Joe's deep ball placement still needs some work.
[/quote]Why didn't you like how we were taking advantage of bad CB?? We surely didn't play against Webster every week, but there are a lot of Webster kind of play out there. We have Webster on our team too like Cary or something....I like how Caldwell and Joe were taking advantage of the Giants' weaknesses...

[Bravens292]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1356325208' post='1277412']
Why didn't you like how we were taking advantage of bad CB?? We surely didn't play against Webster every week, but there are a lot of Webster kind of play out there. We have Webster on our team too like Cary or something....I like how Caldwell and Joe were taking advantage of the Giants' weaknesses...
[/quote]

exactly, i saw that as a positive. if caldwell goes with favorable matchups then i'm all for that !

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1356325208' post='1277412']
Why didn't you like how we were taking advantage of bad CB?? We surely didn't play against Webster every week, but there are a lot of Webster kind of play out there. We have Webster on our team too like Cary or something....I like how Caldwell and Joe were taking advantage of the Giants' weaknesses...
[/quote]
Again I said it was good strategy but Webster was having a really terrible game where everything you threw at him was a completion. Teams with two passable corners (something Webster really isn't) that likely wont work and teams will make adjustments to prevent that by throwing a safety over there to take pressure off.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356309545' post='1276587']


Why Zorn friend, seems like Joe has found a groove and needed no hand holding. He was the QB we all knew he could be and finally it has shown through.
[/quote]

Ha ha haaaa! That's the funniest thing I have seen in a long long time. Oh dear sweet lord, bless you. I haven't laughed that hard in years.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1356325621' post='1277429']
Again I said it was good strategy but Webster was having a really terrible game where everything you threw at him was a completion. Teams with two passable corners (something Webster really isn't) that likely wont work and teams will make adjustments to prevent that by throwing a safety over there to take pressure off.
[/quote]
The point is if 80% of your completion going to an X corner, you should attack that corner like he just robs your paychecks....Even a good CB has a bad day, so if Joe and Caldwell adjust in game to which they should attack, I'll be ecstatic like a little 10 year old kid who is allowed to play video game all night....Even they put a safety over the top of a weak CB, they'll be exposed to other position like in middle, one on one for Torrey, Pitta, Rice, Pierce, Jacoby.......adjustment is the key....

[akacrow]

Ravens offense ran 81 total plays! 45 rush and 36 pass. The game was a bit run heavy since we were ahead, to start the game the calls were very balanced.

Flacco was under center for most of the game with a few shotgun plays mixed in the only time the shotgun was utilized more than under center was the end of the second half with 4 minutes to go, 4 out of 7 plays on the scoring drive were from shotgun.

Caldwell understands the type of Quarterback Joe is, and plays to his strengths. Joe is a great intermediate passer, his stats in these situations are as good a Tom Brady.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1356323465' post='1277350']
No, no....Flacco sucks and we shouldn't pay him at all, right?
[/quote]

Sweet.

[flaccopoe]

I knew Caldwell would be good money; never mind Norv Turner! That's what happens when you're around Peyton Manning for so long. Pierce is a real hidden gem. I hope Caldwell makes him a regular feature in the backfield, like the Joique Bell to DET's Mikel Leshoure.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356309545' post='1276587']


Why Zorn friend, seems like Joe has found a groove and needed no hand holding. He was the QB we all knew he could be and finally it has shown through.
[/quote]
Flacco didn't make nearly as many mistakes with Zorn at the helm....

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1356314419' post='1276950']


that it does! that it does! Merry Christmas to all of my Flock brothers and sisters! we got the W tonight....we're the AFC North Champs AND the steelers (and their obnoxious fans) got bounced out of the playoffs altogether! how sweet it is! lol!

~Mili
[/quote]And to all a good night

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1356330039' post='1277522']
Flacco didn't make nearly as many mistakes with Zorn at the helm....
[/quote]
He also improved each year with Zorn at the helm. I would love to get him back as either OC or QB coach.

Any real shot at either?

[flaccopoe]

I wish I had seen more of Leach yesterday, he probably would have blown up too!

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[Gordo52]

I think it's worth acknowledging that the whole offensive line played GREAT yesterday vs the Giants. But K.O. really stood out to me. He did fantastic vs JPP. Especially in pass protection.

Leach was his usual beastly self. What he does is amazing, and I feel alot of people miss it, or don't pay attention to it. Play after play he blows up defenders and makes way for Ray. The man is a one of a kind.

Big Mac looked really good when we used him on the goal line.

Flacco looked extremely comfortable and relaxed. I don't know if I ever seen him so poised.

Also, someone who no one is really talking about is Ray Rice & Benard Pierce. Rice had 158 total yards today, and it seemed like it was only the Joe show!

Oh, and another couple things! When Dickson caught that ball (which I believe was called back) didn't he look abnormally fast? I don't know if it's just me or not. Also Torrey & Boldin did work today! They were used properly and I think they really shined for us vs them.

[PolishRifle]

I think this season disproved the theory of the QB that can carry a team on his own. Rodgers made a remark about the running game being unimportant last season ("it's a passing league now") and then paid the price when his Packers got off to a rocky start (because unlike last season he actually had to throw against a couple good pass defenses O.O ), the Saints tried to fix the loss of Sean Payton with even more passing and then had to get the running game into the mix to save the season, heck, even the Pats run the ball nowadays.

The people, who criticize Flacco, because [i]"he can't do it on his own"[/i] are somewhat delusional to what other QBs are capable of in this league and just think that "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence". Not to say Flacco is as good as Brees, Brady or Rodgers (right now ), but they are not those self reliant superstars everyone hypes them to be either.

If you take the final quarter of the last game out of consideration (when we started playing save because we were so far ahead), we didn't run more then we passed or passed more then we ran, it was fairly evenly divided between Joe vs Ray/Bernard.
Just running or just passing just doesn't work. We had plenty of games, where Joe had to save our offense because the RBs couldn't get it done, just as much as we had games where running the ball was the crucial element for the victory.

As long as we strike a good balance and don't demand Rice or Flacco to win games for us on their own, which is an unrealistic notion spread by ridiculous sports analysts, who fall in love with "their" QB, we will be as good as any offense in the NFL. The problem never was that Flacco can't play at an "elite" level (whatever that means) or that Rice "started the season slow" (can't believe people actually complained about that), but the fact, that the Ravens still haven't figured out "what kind of offense" they are, which explains temporal flashes of greatness followed up by total disappointment. Hopefully Caldwell becoming the OC marks an end to that saga.

[RedFire]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356315395' post='1277000']
Best play calling I've ever seen by a Raven OC. EVER!
[/quote]

It's the 2008 offense with a better flacco skill-wise and a more experienced flacco that is not a liability throwing over the middle as in the 09 AFC tile game against the stillers.

Cam outsmarted himself over the yrs.....

[MsMarvel73]

No idea where to put my question and didn't want to start a thread (but since this is a thread about the offense and my questions concerns a particular member of the offense...)..

I was deliberately hiding from the football world this past week (can anyone blame me?).....I never heard any status reports on Marshal Yanda and that ankle. Did he play yesterday?

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='INRavensgirl' timestamp='1356358050' post='1277719']
No idea where to put my question and didn't want to start a thread (but since this is a thread about the offense and my questions concerns a particular member of the offense...)..

I was deliberately hiding from the football world this past week (can anyone blame me?).....I never heard any status reports on Marshal Yanda and that ankle. Did he play yesterday?
[/quote]

[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]He played. [/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]~ Cosmic[/font][/i]

[K-Dog]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1356358190' post='1277722']


[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]He played. [/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]~ Cosmic[/font][/i]
[/quote]

And it was great!

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1356358376' post='1277724']
And it was great!
[/quote]

[size=4][b][i][font='trebuchet ms', helvetica, sans-serif]Great?... I wouldn't say it was great... it was [i]super[/i]-spectacular, extra-[i]magical[/i], extra-[i]fantastical.[/i][/font][/i][/b][/size]

[b][i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font][/i][/b]

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1356358190' post='1277722']
[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]He played. [/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]~ Cosmic[/font][/i]
[/quote]
[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1356358376' post='1277724']
And it was great!
[/quote]

SWEET!!! I think only DEATH would keep my favorite big guy from playing!! Thanks, guys. The grin on my face is even huger now!

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1356323740' post='1277358']
What I liked
The receivers used the entire route tree
The playcalling varied
The above took immense pressure off the o-line
Ray Rice got 25+ touches

What I didnt like
[b]We pretty much solely threw at Webster (while this is good strategy, its situational and we won't be facing him every week)[/b]
The Giants pass rush flat didnt show up today. I didnt see any extraordinary blocks
Joe's deep ball placement still needs some work.
[/quote]

i thought it was a brilliant game plan for THIS game. obviously our coaches looked for and found the "weak-link" in the giants defense....Webster! and they attacked and exposed him over and over and over! i would have done the same thing! IF the defense has a problem with defending something....expose it early and often UNTIL they prove that they can stop it. sure, this strategy will vary from team to team but against the giants? it worked to perfection!

~Mili

[flynismo]

Let's show some love to Oher. He is easily the best mediocre LT in the league.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1356361985' post='1277781']


i thought it was a brilliant game plan for THIS game. obviously our coaches looked for and found the "weak-link" in the giants defense....Webster! and they attacked and exposed him over and over and over! i would have done the same thing! IF the defense has a problem with defending something....expose it early and often UNTIL they prove that they can stop it. sure, this strategy will vary from team to team but against the giants? it worked to perfection!

~Mili
[/quote]

This is what frustrated me about Cam. I really like his offensive mind, but when people say he never took input, this is where i think it showed the most. There were so many games where lesser DB did great against the Ravens WRs, only because the offense didn't gameplan to beat them.

It doesn't matter if it's a DB or a LB, every defense has a weakness, you just have to be good enough to attack it. Will you always have success? No but it gives you a better chance.

It's like Cam took the approach of, no matter who or what, the offense will work against any defense.

The Ravens did a great job of attacking Webster and forcing the Giants to adjust. Once they Adjusted, Caldwell did what a good OC needs to do. Make his own adjustments. No matter where Webster lined up, Joe found him. Then when they gave him help, it opened up other areas of the field.

I believe Cam's downfall was lack of game plan. His play calling suffered, because defenses adjusted and Cam rarely did. Caldwell must continue to be good at this. I think him being in the booth helps even more. It's easier to make quicker adjustments when you can see the entire field.