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So i was listening to 105.7 and they thought that if we go one and done a house cleaning would more then likely happen. I am not sure if that would be called for as we have been losing key player after key player this season and if that had not occurred we would be fine right now. What are your thoughts ?
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we're not going one and done, but there will be quite a few changes coming in the offseason
at player level we need to get younger, faster and more powerful
at coaching level, there could be some upgrades we could go for too
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356128676' post='1272885']
So i was listening to 105.7 and they thought that if we go one and done a house cleaning would more then likely happen. I am not sure if that would be called for as we have been losing key player after key player this season and if that had not occurred we would be fine right now. What are your thoughts ?
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As frustrating as this is, how much house cleaning are we talking? Like Cleveland is cleaning house, generally speaking we just need some cuts and some coaching upgrades, but housecleaning isn't the term I'd use.
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I think it meant older players (legends) and other vets (Boldin, Leach) will be gone to start a rebuild. I hope it is not a up the ladder deal and leads to staff and coach's.
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Who are we Kansas City? It's not like we have only 2 wins, we are in the playoffs and it doesn't make sense to do a house cleaning when your going to be drafting somewhere in the 20's. Now if we were in the position of the Chiefs where we only had 2 wins and picking in the first two picks, ok fine but you don't clean house on a playoff team.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356129841' post='1272901']
I think it meant older players (legends) and other vets (Boldin, Leach) will be gone to start a rebuild. I hope it is not a up the ladder deal and leads to staff and coach's.
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In this regard, yes. IF we are one and done, I want vets to retire or leave. It's time to rebuild, in my opinion.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356129841' post='1272901']
I think it meant older players (legends) and other vets (Boldin, Leach) will be gone to start a rebuild. I hope it is not a up the ladder deal and leads to staff and coach's.
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Vonta isn't going anywhere, They just paid Rice all that money so why would they take away a FB that helps his game? That's like taking T. Smith away from Flacco .
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356129841' post='1272901']
I think it meant older players (legends) and other vets (Boldin, [b]Leach[/b]) will be gone to start a rebuild. I hope it is not a up the ladder deal and leads to staff and coach's.
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Boldin I sort-of am starting to understand, although I wish not. But Leach?!?
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1356130586' post='1272917']
Oh, and, next year, the Ravens will have a healthy [b]Haloti Ngata[/b][/quote] I was feeling you up until this point... That man isn't getting healthy anytime soon.
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I am surprised at Leach but the majority think even he is gone and i believe it as the ones that believe he is gone have been more right then wrong. I love Leach leading the run but i guess a purge is a purge right.
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House Cleaning? Not exactly, because we need to draft better and get more than just a mediocre OC who lets Joe develop and reach a level that maximizes his talent. Yep. We need an OC who understands our personnel on offensive better and tailors plays that take advantage of their strong suites both in a running and passing attack. The OC will need to script an offesive gameplan better, and I argue that starts with handing off to Ray Rice more.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1356129925' post='1272904']
Who are we Kansas City? It's not like we have only 2 wins, we are in the playoffs and it doesn't make sense to do a house cleaning when your going to be drafting somewhere in the 20's. Now if we were in the position of the Chiefs where we only had 2 wins and picking in the first two picks, ok fine but you don't clean house on a playoff team.
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I think it's important to remember that most of these radio guys are just like us on the Flock. They are people with an opinion on what might happen.

If you blow the Ravens up, what exactly are you blowing up? Generally when you blow something up, it's either because of age or a steady decline in play. The Ravens have made the playoffs 5 straight years, they'll probably win their 2nd consecutive AFC North crown and if they go 1 and Done it'd be the first time under this regime.

Why are you blowing that up? Like him or not Flacco is here for a long time, Rice, Torrey, Pitta,,Doss, Dickson, Peirce, KO, Yanda, LQW, Streeter, DT, Ried, these guys aren't going anywhere. Maybe, guys like Oher, Jones, Birk might be Salary Cap casualties, but is that really blowing up? The Ravens need a few tweaks and the draft or FA can accomplish that. Can you afford a Braden Alberts? If so, you upgrade the oline a lot.

He won't be available, but a guy like Chance Warmack upgrades the guard position in round one.

On defense, studs are hurt, so you focus on getting them healthy. Webb, Suggs, Ngata, Ellerbe, Smith, Pollard, Upshaw, McPhee and Jones are going anywhere. So you have to figure out who is more important to you team between Kruger and Cary. I think it's Kruger and you hope both Jimmy and Webb return 100%, with Graham at Nickle.

Another anchor to help rotate with Cody at NT and another true 5 technique, the run defense will get back to normal. Josh Bynes looks good at ILB and before his injury McClain didn't. I like the undrafted LBs on this team, but if Ray leaves, you'll either need to trade up for Te'o or pick up a vet at LB.

I agree with you, i just don't see where or why the Ravens would blow things up. Yea, so big name Vets might not be back, but that's probably gonna happen regardless of the outcome of the season.

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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Offense:
QB: The reality is this: like him, love him or hate him -- he'll back for a 2013, either franchised or a new contract. The Ravens aren't letting him hit the open market without a better option available to them.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]RB: Rice, can't say that I'm overly impressed. Especially considering he was just paid a ton of money and he's about to have his worst year as a RB (save for his rookie season). If he's not careful, Pierce could take the starting job away from him. I know it sounds impossible, but Pierce has a 1/3 of the carriers and 1/3 of the yards as Rice. (Rice 4.48 yds per carry / Pierce 4.44 yds per carry --- yes, I had to out two decimal places.)[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]FB: Leach's job is a complete mystery, depending on what kind of team the Ravens want to be in the near future. If the Ravens want to remain a smashmouth, run-first type team; then I think he'll be brought back.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]WR: We had a consistent #1 in Boldin. We've now got a consistent #2 in Smith. Everything else is a carousel. Will Boldin be brought back? I believe so.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]TE: We're solid. Pitta & Dickson are going nowhere at this point.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]OL: Honestly, I don't see a reason to keep any of the starters, save for Yanda. Sorry Oher, and it's not his fault, but if he could just STAY on the right-side he'd be fine. It's just bound to happen, he'll always wind up watching Joe's blindside and we've all seen how well he is at doing that.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Defense:[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]MLB: As much as I love Ray, the words he spoke in the Byrne interview pretty me sold me on the fact that he's not coming back next season. Is McClain our guy? Hard telling. Bynes, the fact I had to look up his name should speak for itself. Honestly, not sure what we're going to do here.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]OLB: Sizzle, if he stopped worrying about what Skip was saying and he stayed healthy, he is still a premier OLB. Kruger, this guy has really impressed me when his number is called. Him & Sizzle side-by-side for an entire season would be monstrous. As for McClellan, Bynes and McClain; I think you start fishing for talent in the draft or free agency.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]S: Reed started out hot this season but was merely a flash in the pan. Sure he comes up with an INT every once in awhile, but not near premier as he used to be. Webby, nuff said. Just stay healthy. Pollard is personification of this team, just needs to stay healthy as well. Other than that, not sure who else you'd keep.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]CB: I think we need balance here. We seem a little young. I think a free agent vet that could make a big impact and coach up these younger guys would be a tremendous help.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Special Teams:[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]K: Tucker more than proved himself from the word "go" this off-season, training camp, pre-season and regular season. It's time to see how clutch he really is as I'm sure we're going to need his leg in January and hopefully February.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]P: Koch, is there really any question.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Returner: Oh that's right, we may not need one after this season...[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Those are my thoughts.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1356131163' post='1272925']
Boldin I sort-of am starting to understand, although I wish not. But Leach?!?
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We pay him a lot, and use him a little. Especially if the offense is being geared towards a spread pass-first offense, there is little need for a traditional fullback.

Personally, I love the guy and I wish we could keep him around, but he's not worth what we are paying him and I doubt he'd take a pay cut.
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1356134275' post='1272969']


Haha; well, at least that was the second-to-last sentence of a long post, so that's good. Either way, a long, off-season rest is better than no rest, at all. Although, you have a point of Haloti Ngata always taking a toll on his body...

Anyways, as for Vonta Leach, I still think he gets released, but is brought back at lower price; thus, he basically has his contract restructured. The thing is, no other NFL team really uses a fullback, any more. Some teams just have a bigger running back, like the Baltimore Ravens use to have with Le'Ron McClain, at the fullback position, or teams like the New England Patriots use Aaron Hernandez and/or Rob Gronkowski as their "fullback".

As a result, I believe Leach understands football is a business and a fullback, like him, can no longer be offered a "huge" contract. However, I feel Vonta Leach likes playing in Baltimore and he will comeback.
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I think it all depends on who runs the offense and if Leach is willing to take that cut. I can see Leach being phased out of the offense as the Ravens look to open things up more. If Caldwell stays, i think Leach leaves because Caldwell will focus on putting more weapons on the field for Flacco. Most of the power run game will come from 2TE sets imo.

If a guy like Norv comes in, maybe Leach stays and is asked to take a cut. I think Norv would use more of a power run game.
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If we get rid of Harbaugh and find someone to push Joe for the starting job i would be fine with that.

Here come the Negs........lmao
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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1356140035' post='1273028']
If we get rid of Harbaugh and find someone to push Joe for the starting job i would be fine with that.

Here come the Negs........lmao
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This year we played like crap and still made the playoffs. Harbs aint going anywhere...
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1356140160' post='1273031']
This year we played like crap and still made the playoffs. Harbs aint going anywhere...
[/quote]I would trade Harbs for any coach that can coach offense right now. Since that is where all of our talent is at this point in the franchise. Thanks for the neg also, i love it, keep em coming.
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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1356140356' post='1273034']
I would trade Harbs for any coach that can coach offense right now. Since that is where all of our talent is at this point in the franchise. Thanks for the neg also, i love it, keep em coming.
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I would trade Harbs for Belechick and thats it :)
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1356140739' post='1273041']
I would trade Harbs for Belechick and thats it :)
[/quote]Harbs has played against a division that is rebuilding. Cleveland and Cincy are getting there ,and Pittsburgh is falling off. Please. He has not been all that impressive if you add in all the miscues. You will agree with me later. Thank god i can always bring this back up. So neg all you like, and ill bring it back up for you later.
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Ravens need to draft interior linemen. Cody gets pushed around so easy. They need a better rotation in there.
They also need ILBs.
Safety

Draft or trade needs :

DT
ILB
OL
S

Probably a WR in the later rounds and an undrafted FB. But I can't see a powerful team getting beat by inside runs in their mouth and our DT doing nothing Ngata needs help. I love the way Upshaw has played against the run this year. Him and Kruger will do a good duo to complement Suggs. Arthur Jones must be back him and McPhee are solid. We need a Vince Wilfork but every teams need one.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]It all starts with the line. Belichick knew this, still knows it and look at his QBs. Why do you think Cassel was so successful there and has stunk it up in KC? The line.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]If we could just get five talented, durable linemen that can play a full sixty-minutes -- we could put anyone back there and they'd look Brady-esque. That's why when I get the "Brady or Manning?" question; it's always Manning cause his line never did him any favors.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Get the line fixed and all of our troubles would cease on offense.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1356142046' post='1273064']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]It all starts with the line. Belichick knew this, still knows it and look at his QBs. Why do you think Cassel was so successful there and has stunk it up in KC? The line.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]If we could just get five talented, durable linemen that can play a full sixty-minutes -- we could put anyone back there and they'd look Brady-esque. That's why when I get the "Brady or Manning?" question; it's always Manning cause his line never did him any favors.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Get the line fixed and all of our troubles would cease on offense.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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I would like to agree with you
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[quote name='Grendelwulf21' timestamp='1356143330' post='1273078']
I would like to agree with you
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Thanks! See you're new to the boards. Welcome![/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1356144159' post='1273087']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Thanks! See you're new to the boards. Welcome![/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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Thank you :) Yeah, a recent Ravens fan as well, I picked them as my team last year, my family's never really been a sports type besides my mom(She's a 49ers fan) but I've been watching for a few years and the Ravens just drug me into loving them but anyways, sorry for this off-side post haha
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1356142046' post='1273064']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]It all starts with the line. Belichick knew this, still knows it and look at his QBs. Why do you think Cassel was so successful there and has stunk it up in KC? The line.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]If we could just get five talented, durable linemen that can play a full sixty-minutes -- we could put anyone back there and they'd look Brady-esque. That's why when I get the "Brady or Manning?" question; it's always Manning cause his line never did him any favors.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Get the line fixed and all of our troubles would cease on offense.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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Bingo! You've hit the nail on the head. We need to build the core, and everything else should fall in line. We're in pretty good shape at all other O positions and it would seem that Flacco would thrive if given some protection and a reliable run game.

As someone else mentioned, Yanda is our only real asset on the O line. Maybe Oher playing on the right.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1356145796' post='1273101']



Bingo! You've hit the nail on the head. We need to build the core, and everything else should fall in line. We're in pretty good shape at all other O positions and it would seem that Flacco would thrive if given some protection and a reliable run game.

As someone else mentioned, Yanda is our only real asset on the O line. Maybe Oher playing on the right.
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I think its hard to just rule out KO as a asset. He's a rookie and could be hitting that rookie wall. I think it'll be tough to go into next season with Oher at LT, but it'll be hard to cut him as well. Ideally for me we sign a Brenden Alberts to a nice deal, his your LT, move KO to guard. If Oher isn't traded, he's your RT or he Reid and a rookie compete.

I think that'd be a pretty good oline. Not sure what Gino has.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1356145796' post='1273101']
Bingo! You've hit the nail on the head. We need to build the core, and everything else should fall in line. We're in pretty good shape at all other O positions and it would seem that Flacco would thrive if given some protection and a reliable run game.

[b]As someone else mentioned, Yanda is our only real asset on the O line. Maybe Oher playing on the right.[/b]
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]And I honestly can't stand Belichick, but I do respect what he has done for New England. He TRULY understands the game and how it should be played.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I said the same thing in the "Cleaning House" thread; if Oher could stay on that right-side, he would be worth keeping. Yanda is the only guy I see who was holding his own. Some of the younger guys, I wouldn't sell them out just yet but they still need to prove their readiness.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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