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It's time to get back to Ravens Football

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After 3 weeks of watching Ravens beating themselves, it's time to return to Ravens Football. Our Offense is trying to do too much and its not getting anywhere. Keep in mind Ravens will be in playoffs, so the only question is, will it be #4 seed or #6 seed. Therefore, here is Doc Martin with the revolutionary idea game plan against Giants - RUN THE BALL ON THEM, 1st down, 2nd down, 3rd down RUN THE BALL!
I don't care if the people boo or we are down 20-0, RUN THE BALL.
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We can't run the ball either... Our oline is putrid, and it will be even harder to run when there's 8 or 9 in the box.

Idiotic game plan.

You need a healthy mix. And the oline to execute. Rice has also, minus a few plays, been the worst he's ever been in a ravens uniform.
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[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1355985986' post='1271426']
After 3 weeks of watching Ravens beating themselves, it's time to return to Ravens Football. Our Offense is trying to do too much and its not getting anywhere. Keep in mind Ravens will be in playoffs, so the only question is, will it be #4 seed or #6 seed. Therefore, here is Doc Martin with the revolutionary idea game plan against Giants - RUN THE BALL ON THEM, 1st down, 2nd down, 3rd down RUN THE BALL!
I don't care if the people boo or we are down 20-0, RUN THE BALL.
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Sorry accidentally gave you a plus, wanted to give you a neg. lol
Rice has been terrible as of late (due in part to the crappy O-line), if it's 3rd and long, you obviously need to pass. (Sorry Cam.)
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1356009917' post='1271494']
Who scares you more? Rice/Pierce/Leach or Flacco?
[/quote]right now neither.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1356012225' post='1271501']
right now neither.
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Ha, meant who scares us (the Ravens) more? Meaning who is failing at a higher rate at this time? Flacco is the answer.
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RIP to the Ravens' vaunted defense... They're going to have a lot of shoes to fill once their veterans retire in the next couple seasons. Someone will have to pick up Lewis' mantle and assume some major leadership responsibilities.
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As long as Joe doesn't turn over the ball, we will win the football; run/pass is based on what given defense. From here on, our O-line need to step up big both for the pass or run....
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1356012784' post='1271508']


Ha, meant who scares us (the Ravens) more? Meaning who is failing at a higher rate at this time? Flacco is the answer.
[/quote]but at the same time the run game won't win us a game. Our defense just isn't good enough to count on the run.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1356015820' post='1271548']
but at the same time the run game won't win us a game. Our defense just isn't good enough to count on the run.
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Cant disagree with that. Was just stating that Flacco with the ball in his hands scares me more than one of our runners with the ball in their hands.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1356017526' post='1271579']


Cant disagree with that. Was just stating that Flacco with the ball in his hands scares me more than one of our runners with the ball in their hands.
[/quote]it also excites me more, and proves our best chance of getting a score. This is why we watch and aren't coaches haha
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1356012935' post='1271510']
RIP to the Ravens' vaunted defense... They're going to have a lot of shoes to fill once their veterans retire in the next couple seasons. Someone will have to pick up Lewis' mantle and assume some major leadership responsibilities.
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They are all retired on the job now, Running around dragging their blown up arms, and shoulders collecting big paychecks.

If your hurt stay off the field, If you run out of DB's put Tyrod Taylor back there. At least he's fast enough to keep up.

Desert
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I do believe what the Ravens were trying to do was what they thought was the best direction to head but the fact is that Ravens Football is not a Flashy high scoring franchise and we never have been and we had good success and i think when we tried to be a fast paced score from any point on the field type of club we went very wrong. I might not even say wrong. We went at it at to fast of a pace not really having all the things we needed to run a successful fast paced offense.

I think we need to take a step back and get back to ball control and a sound defense which i think is a good base for any type of offense. We let our gaurd down by not keeping key players as we thought others might developer faster then they are. I hate to say it but i miss the Ground and Pound game we used to play. I love a fast paced rhythm don't get me wrong i just do not think we are that type of team.

Stay Strong, Play Tough and Go Get Em Guys !!
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356018934' post='1271613']
I do believe what the Ravens were trying to do was what they thought was the best direction to head but the fact is that Ravens Football is not a Flashy high scoring franchise and we never have been and we had good success and i think when we tried to be a fast paced score from any point on the field type of club we went very wrong. I might not even say wrong. We went at it at to fast of a pace not really having all the things we needed to run a successful fast paced offense.

I think we need to take a step back and get back to ball control and a sound defense which i think is a good base for any type of offense. We let our gaurd down by not keeping key players as we thought others might developer faster then they are. I hate to say it but i miss the Ground and Pound game we used to play. I love a fast paced rhythm don't get me wrong i just do not think we are that type of team.

Stay Strong, Play Tough and Go Get Em Guys !!
[/quote]stats are on the side of the fast paced up tempo offense. The difference is light and day. Tds scored, turnovers, yards per play, first downs etc are all better in the no huddle offense.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1356019225' post='1271620']
stats are on the side of the fast paced up tempo offense. The difference is light and day. Tds scored, turnovers, yards per play, first downs etc are all better in the no huddle offense.
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I am not saying the offense did not perform but we went all in and were just a couple of players being hurt to what we have today. We let our gaurd down on defense and played it way to thin. We put faith in draft picks that have not progressed yet while we let go of proven players and that left our defense vulnerable.

I am not trying to argue or even piss and moan i just think we could have did a bit more planning to see where our picks were before allowing vets to leave and then make a change. We just got caught with our pants down and now we pay the price buy not being able to get the defense off of the field because both sides are weak in key areas due to playing with a thin talent pool and a lot of injuries that took us all by surprise.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1356020450' post='1271656']


I am not saying the offense did not perform but we went all in and were just a couple of players being hurt to what we have today. We let our gaurd down on defense and played it way to thin. We put faith in draft picks that have not progressed yet while we let go of proven players and that left our defense vulnerable.

I am not trying to argue or even piss and moan i just think we could have did a bit more planning to see where our picks were before allowing vets to leave and then make a change. We just got caught with our pants down and now we pay the price buy not being able to get the defense off of the field because both sides are weak in key areas due to playing with a thin talent pool and a lot of injuries that took us all by surprise.
[/quote]we really had no choice, our hands were tie with rice being on the tag. I think Grubbs and redding have hurt us the most.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1356021082' post='1271667']
we really had no choice, our hands were tie with rice being on the tag. I think Grubbs and redding have hurt us the most.
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I kind of thought that but did not want to say it as i am still trying to get a real grip on cap stuff etc. I guess my whole point is mute and you are right. We have really been beaten up by the cap the last few years and maybe another year of the painful cap limitation. But i guess either have a cap or have the same bad issues that plague the MLB.
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Sad to say "Ravens football" has been absent just about all season long. We've seen glimpses of "Ravens football" this season but not on a consistent basis.

We need our o-line to be great against the best front 4 in all of football and we need our front 4 to generate some type of pressure on manning. It all starts up front in the trenches and our o/d-lines need to get it together.

Lastly we need a balanced attack. Not Joe trying to match eli throw for throw but we need Rice to have 22-27 touches and Joe 25-30 pass attempts.
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Despite our bad run blocking is recent weeks, and arguably bad running by Rice and Pierce, I want to see a game plan this week that outs the game in the hands of the running backs. I have more faith in them right now than I do in Joe. That dline can rush the passer like nobody's business, but I don't think they're the best run stopping line. We'll be able to eat those guys up with screens and draws. I hate draws more than anything but I want to see some this week.
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When was the last time anyone won a Super Bowl that way? These days you need an explosive offense, that simple. With all of the rule changes to benefit guys like widdle Tom Bwady you need to figure out a way to take advantage of them. Sucks, but true.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355999836' post='1271464']
We can't run the ball either... Our oline is putrid, and it will be even harder to run when there's 8 or 9 in the box.

Idiotic game plan.

You need a healthy mix. And the oline to execute. Rice has also, minus a few plays, been the worst he's ever been in a ravens uniform.
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Rice has been the worst... But Pierce always seems to get 3+ yards on his runs except the dumb sweeps to the outside.

Give Pierce the Roc!!!!!!!
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We just need a better oline for Rice to run through, he's like a little mouse that can find his way through small holes, but with our oline, there's just a giant wall of nothing it seems like :( but when he does break through it's like ZOMG, HELLZ YEAH!!! I usually yell that at the TV
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[quote name='i82much' timestamp='1356030125' post='1271860']
[b]When was the last time anyone won a Super Bowl that way?[/b] These days you need an explosive offense, that simple. With all of the rule changes to benefit guys like widdle Tom Bwady you need to figure out a way to take advantage of them. Sucks, but true.
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Are you referring to the OP's idea of running on every down or the idea that the offense should be run first/"ground and pound"?

Either way, I think it's important for us to establish the run to get a rhythm going, especially this week since it seems the Giants have a weaker run D. I think overall though, we need to be a balanced offense. It seems like there are teams that get the pass going to open up the run game and there are teams that get the run going to open up the pass game. I think we're the latter with the potential to do both.

With that said, none of it matters if the oline doesn't create lanes for the RBs or protect Joe.

Not saying that you, i82much, didn't know that already.
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[quote name='big hits and ball hawks' timestamp='1356059502' post='1272310']
Are you referring to the OP's idea of running on every down or the idea that the offense should be run first/"ground and pound"?

Either way, I think it's important for us to establish the run to get a rhythm going, especially this week since it seems the Giants have a weaker run D. I think overall though, we need to be a balanced offense. It seems like there are teams that get the pass going to open up the run game and there are teams that get the run going to open up the pass game. I think we're the latter with the potential to do both.

With that said, none of it matters if the oline doesn't create lanes for the RBs or protect Joe.

Not saying that you, i82much, didn't know that already.
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I agree that a balanced offense is important, but in today's game if I had to pick I would pick passing as more important.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1356017526' post='1271579']
Cant disagree with that. Was just stating that Flacco with the ball in his hands scares me more than one of our runners with the ball in their hands.
[/quote] I hope you are being sarcastic?
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[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1356032321' post='1271891']
Rice has been the worst... But Pierce always seems to get 3+ yards on his runs except the dumb sweeps to the outside.

Give Pierce the Roc!!!!!!!
[/quote]I have to agree with this. He is a beast with the Roc.
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Next games are just practice for us, we better fix whats wrong with our offense in the next two games.

(OR) off season will start early and we will be looking to replace a lot of people. No one will be safe from criticism.
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[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1356032321' post='1271891']
Rice has been the worst... But Pierce always seems to get 3+ yards on his runs except the dumb sweeps to the outside.

Give Pierce the Roc!!!!!!!
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Ray Rice Stats:
SPLITS ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST December 44 237 5.4 46 2 7 23 3.3 9 0 0 0 In Wins 161 653 4.1 37 7 37 339 9.2 43 0 1 0 In Losses 69 378 5.5 46 2 18 88 4.9 37 0 0
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Besides carries there is nothing wrong with Ray Rice
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[quote name='calculator' timestamp='1356098999' post='1272493']




Ray Rice Stats:
SPLITS ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST December 44 237 5.4 46 2 7 23 3.3 9 0 0 0 In Wins 161 653 4.1 37 7 37 339 9.2 43 0 1 0 In Losses 69 378 5.5 46 2 18 88 4.9 37 0 0
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Besides carries there is nothing wrong with Ray Rice
[/quote]how does he have an over 5 average in wins and losses yet only average just over 4 in total. Something is wrong there unless I've mis read that mess
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