How much should we pay Flacco?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1356271542' post='1274101']

Even though the Ravens franchise suffered through years of sub-standard QB play, it doesn't mean Flacco is a once-in-a-lifetime talent; he's not. Look at the number of QBs taken just over the last 2-3 years, that have skills sets comparable to Flacco: Luck, RG3, Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Ryan Tannehill, and Colin Kaepernick. Perhaps we can include Brandon Weeden, Christian Ponder, Nick Foles, Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett... My point is, it's not [b]impossible[/b] to find a franchise QB, so drastically overpaying Flacco is not our[b] only [/b]choice.

I want the FO to resign him, just not break the bank, and sign him to a 7 year, $105 Million deal. Jamison Hensley agrees, in this article:

[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/61539/joe-flacco-should-still-be-in-ravens-future"]http://espn.go.com/b...n-ravens-future[/url]
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Luck has almost as many INTs as TDs. You could make an argument that RGIII is already injury prone. Colin Kaepernick hasn't had enough of a sample size in the least to say anything and cannot take a snap from Center to save his life. Yeah, Newton sure is saving the Panthers isn't he? lol I'm sorry, but finding a good QB with Flacco's skill set, durability and tough skin is NOT that easy.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1356283947' post='1274284']
I dunno. If he's not a Raven I'd bet he goes to Kansas City. Solid defense. Good running game. Great oline. In regards to personnel, all they need is a QB.
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Only if Dwayne Bowe stays.

[mhead66]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1356284227' post='1274288']
Luck has almost as many INTs as TDs. You could make an argument that RGIII is already injury prone. Colin Kaepernick hasn't had enough of a sample size in the least to say anything and cannot take a snap from Center to save his life. Yeah, Newton sure is saving the Panthers isn't he? lol I'm sorry, but finding a good QB with Flacco's skill set, durability and tough skin is NOT that easy.
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Yes, I'm sure you're right, I'm certain Indy regrets drafting Luck because of that... just like they regretting drafting Peyton Manning, who had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year. What a colossal mistake.

And Cam Newton - Rookie of the Year and a Pro-Bowl rookie... he shouldn't have been drafted, because the team isn't a playoff team.

Okay.

[Xelfer]

What ever it is (and I'm thinking 14m or more), I hope it's enough to sign him! Heaven forbid he walks off our field and onto Cleveland's, or, dare I say it, The Jets field . . . scary thought.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Xelfer' timestamp='1356287242' post='1274335']
What ever it is (and I'm thinking 14m or more), I hope it's enough to sign him! Heaven forbid he walks off our field and onto Cleveland's, or, [b]dare I say it, The Jets field . . . scary thought[/b].
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I'm in favor or resigning Flacco... he's the best QB in our franchise history.

But I seriously don't think the Patriots are thinking, regarding the Jets' offense, "God forbid, they sign Flacco."

[Xelfer]

I was thinking of us, the Ravens & fans, seeing him go there woulld be a mistake all around.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1356283529' post='1274273']
Marshall Faulk hit the nail on the head with Flacco on NFL Gameday morning. If the Ravens drop a good QB in Flacco (his words, not mine) and become obsessed with finding that "franchise QB," they might end up as one of the teams with no QB at all. Bisciotti has to be careful.
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That's an excellent point.

[flaccopoe]

Looks like Flacco will have a much better platform for negotiating! AFC North Champion again!

[jimmypowder]

25 million a year each of the next 25 years

[jaege]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1356206686' post='1273669']
[b]Premier QBs[/b] usually don't ever switch teams, while they're in their prime. An exception was Drew Brees, who had a shoulder injury, and San Diego had Rivers behind him. [b]Flacco is going for his biggest career contract, and he hasn't shown the ability to turn a floundering franchise around - not enough talent to be that one key-piece, to make a lousy team into a playoff contender. KC, Arizona, the Jets... do you think the addition of Flacco will make them SB contenders[/b]?

Cause no one will pay the 14th ranked QB top-5 money - $15+M per year - unless he can turn them around. It's MUCH cheaper for up-and-coming franchises to draft a young QB - you get to mould him, and pay him less, as he turns a team around - look at Indy, Washington, Miami, Seattle, Cleveland this year, Carolina, Cincinnati, Minnesota, Jacksonville and Tennessee - they've all gone with cheaper youth.

Not many teams want to spend top money for a 27 year old QB that's never been a top-5 QB...
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So which is it? Is he premier or so poor that he cannot turn around a foundering team? He cannot be both. Either he is premier and all the other teams would want him or he is not, which means, by your standards that he [u]would[/u] switch teams.

I agree that an up and coming team would rather grab a young QB, but where are all those young, up and coming QBs that are not already on a team and under contract? Is there a big pack of them hiding under a rock somewhere? Can you even name three? There are certainly a lot more than three teams that are looking for them. More like 20. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Cards wish they had our record for just this year, not to mention the last five. They pray for that problem. You see there doesn't have to be many teams that will pay for a mature QB that has never been top five. There only has to be one, and then we risk losing our franchise QB.

What about the Raiders? They shelled out a heck of a lot of money for an aging QB, with a poor record and happily for the mere glimmer of a successful season. And look at the Jets. They boosted the salary of a bottom 20 QB in the hopes that he may turn it around. Look what Tebow generates in dollars and interest and he isn't even a real QB, much less top 14. Teams do and will pay big dollars for any QB or anything that even smells like a QB, and they would open the check book for a QB that has proven himself to be a perpetual playoff contender.

I am not pushing Flacco here. I agree that he is no better than top 15 or so. He may never be better than that. But he does have a winning record. He is playoff proven. He will generate a big contract, either from us or from someone else. And if someone else does grab him, we will be left with nothing. We go to the bottom of a long list of teams that are hoping to find an RG3 or Luck.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1356286513' post='1274327']


Yes, I'm sure you're right, I'm certain Indy regrets drafting Luck because of that... just like they regretting drafting Peyton Manning, who had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year. What a colossal mistake.

And Cam Newton - Rookie of the Year and a Pro-Bowl rookie... he shouldn't have been drafted, because the team isn't a playoff team.

Okay.
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Never said they should not have been drafted. But this " these QBs who have very little playing time are all equal to Flacco" line is inaccurate and old. Talk to me when they have all taken their teams to the playoffs each of their first 4 years and won at least one playoff game each of their first four years.

Edit: Correction, taken their team to the playoffs each of their first 5 years.

[Malkavian Raven]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]His stock went up this afternoon.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I'd put him in a $80 Million for 5 Years category. That's only a $2 Million/Year jump from my last assessment.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]

[edreedfromtheu]

If you pay for one game, instead of 5 years... you're asking for it. Let's see if he can string together another game like the one he had today? And maybe REALLY carry this team in the playoffs instead of being carried?

[Gordo52]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1356316253' post='1277052']
If you pay for one game, instead of 5 years... you're asking for it. Let's see if he can string together another game like the one he had today? And maybe REALLY carry this team in the playoffs instead of being carried?
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So another game like this one would convince you?

Joe is not like the QBs who carry there teams. Rodgers, Brady, Brees, ect. But we couldn't of done all we did the last 4 years without him. You win as a team, and thats that.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1356316253' post='1277052']
If you pay for one game, instead of 5 years... you're asking for it. Let's see if he can string together another game like the one he had today? And maybe REALLY carry this team in the playoffs instead of being carried?
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Well he may not even play much against Cincy