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Been hearing a lot of people throwing out the term "True Fan" around here lately.

Which to me begs the question, what is a true fan?

Let's not even get into Super Fans here. Those guys are on another level entirely. We aren't talking about Captain Defense, or the Ravens Maniac. I mean to talk more about the average fan.

I get that people are frustrated too, but that's no reason to call out someone's "fandom." The argument also seems to swing both ways whether you're being optomistic, pessimistic, or flat out realistic the catch et al is always, "well your just a bandwagon fan."

Now let me set the record straight here. I think the idea that there is a large group of NFL fans that just jump from team to team just sounds ridiculous. Seriously, does anyone know anyone that does this at all? I may play fantasy football, and I may like other teams (just that I don't like them when they play us.) But by no means does that mean that my opinion, positive or negative have any basis on how much of a fan I am or am not.

Furthermore, (and last I checked) it's against forum rules to really call someone's fandom into question. I think we can all agree that if you're on the site that you are a football fan. So maybe this isn't being caught by the mods, or reported enough but it starts with us reflecting on our responses a little better before posting them.
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[quote name='Dudeman' timestamp='1355864616' post='1269695']
Been hearing a lot of people throwing out the term "True Fan" around here lately.

Which to me begs the question, what is a true fan?

Let's not even get into Super Fans here. Those guys are on another level entirely. We aren't talking about Captain Defense, or the Ravens Maniac. I mean to talk more about the average fan.

I get that people are frustrated too, but that's no reason to call out someone's "fandom." The argument also seems to swing both ways whether you're being optomistic, pessimistic, or flat out realistic the catch et al is always, "well your just a bandwagon fan."

Now let me set the record straight here. I think the idea that there is a large group of NFL fans that just jump from team to team just sounds ridiculous. Seriously, does anyone know anyone that does this at all? I may play fantasy football, and I may like other teams (just that I don't like them when they play us.) But by no means does that mean that my opinion, positive or negative have any basis on how much of a fan I am or am not.

Furthermore, (and last I checked) it's against forum rules to really call someone's fandom into question. I think we can all agree that if you're on the site that you are a football fan. So maybe this isn't being caught by the mods, or reported enough but it starts with us reflecting on our responses a little better before posting them.
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Firstly, yes I do know bandwagon fans. It's funny to see, they are always called out for it but they don't care. I have a uncle that bounces between New England, New York Giants, and The Green Bay Packers... I'm waiting for him to buy a Texans jersey if they start doing well.

And to get to your "True Fans" concept, everyone on this board is a fan one way or another. We just have different personalities. The pessemistic fans often come off as "Fair Weather Fans" but they just want the team to do well, there's the optomistic personalities, and you mentioned. And there are people in the middle, what you called realisitic. But niether one of those people are more "True Fans" than the next, they are just different people.
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Excellent post. Very excellent. I will not say much else, but other than this thread could be used as a learning experience for some.

We all as fans have the right to express our concern and frustration. Doesn't make us any less of a fan.

Thank you though for providing a learning thread.
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Some people on this forum say you aren't a fan if you have anything negative to say about the Ravens. They like to drink the "everything is fine" koolaid that Harbaugh is constantly handing out.
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good post Dude. however, i let no one question my "fanhood." i've poured too much money into buying tickets, hotel rooms, gas and food to drive up from Chesapeake, VA to baltimore for 3 home games a year. i have purchased waaaay too much Ravens gear (i.e. 5 coats, numerous hats and caps, gloves, pajama pants, shirts, jerseys, socks, clocks, watches, trash cans, lamps, pictures, scarfs, blankets, rain coats, pillows etc.) to allow anyone to make me feel that i'm not a fan. they are my team! i cheer them when they do well...and i smoke them when they play poorly. why? because i want them to win! i see their potential and i want to see them achieve it. they are my team! i am a Ravens fan! period!

~Mili
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To me a fan is a person that has an almost investment in the team and is competitive by nature and wants to win every game no matter what and when we lose the fans feels it. You invest your time, emotions and money to show your loyalty to your team. And when your team fails it hurts bad. Of course you want to win so you point out what is wrong in your mind whether it be good or bad at the time it makes sense to you.

You get very upset with a loss and want to point out what or who went wrong and almost need to have it fixed. For me when i see the same mistakes week after week of course it is obvious to me as i blow things way out of proportion but do not think i am at the time. I just want to see a win and improvement NOW. LOL

That to me is a true fan. You hurt when the team loses, you want a win every week and when you do not get the win it is actually painful. I may be a bit obsessed but i do mean well i promise.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355868814' post='1269832']
Good post man! I remember the Boller days.... Ugh.
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Ackkkkkkkkk !! horrible memories. Poor Todd Heap.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355869024' post='1269838']
Ackkkkkkkkk !! horrible memories. Poor Todd Heap.
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Yeah it cost Todd another 3-4 years in the NFl.
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True fan cares about the [b]team[/b]. You are not here just as fan of a single player... But the whole team.

You stick with the team through [b]thick and thin[/b], and you[b] [/b]never give up on the team.

That is a true fan.
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A true fan, is one who sticks with the their faltering(bad) team, and enjoys the beast mode times...

I was a Redskins fan, until '96. However I had to support the local team. We all came from some other team, and now the Ravens are ours.

back when 9 points or less would win a game, or when 30+ can not. When you have to roll into work on Monday or Tuesday and face steeler fans, or skins fans, and you still defend your team. When you have that sinking feeling that they will lose, but the moment you wake up on Sunday your fired up, because you have faith they will win.

When you wear your Jersey into work on Friday, even though you lost the past 3 games. When after a heartbreaking turnover , you still get loud for our defense.

Just a few things that make you a true fan... to me...
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1355866273' post='1269752']
Some people on this forum say you aren't a fan if you have anything negative to say about the Ravens. They like to drink the "everything is fine" koolaid that Harbaugh is constantly handing out.
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Quite the contrary. True fans are ones who stay at the blowout loss in the rain because they love their team. True fans can criticize or praise the Ravens without being irrationally fatalist or optimistic. True fans get upset because they know this team's potential and see it, week in and week out, fall well short of that potential.

I'd love to say we all love the Ravens, but when you see posters wishing for failure just to prove a point is where I personally start questioning their fandom.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Fine post, Dude. Real fine post.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
[center][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i] :th_thKumbiyah: [/i][/font][/center]
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True Fans criticize their team to other Ravens fans and defend those same players and coaches when some other team says anything bad. It's like being a brother; "Dude, Ed Reed is slacking" "Yeah he is". But when it's other team " watch your mouth, that's a hall of fame safety!"
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1355866273' post='1269752']
Some people on this forum say you aren't a fan if you have anything negative to say about the Ravens. They like to drink the "everything is fine" koolaid that Harbaugh is constantly handing out.
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So if you still have confidence in your team, you drink the "everything is fine" koolaid?

And no, its actually not that some people say you aren't a true fan if you say something negative about the Ravens. Its the way some people say it. "Oh i'm done watching this team" or "This team freaking sucks" or the best one, "Why don't we just lose out, and go 1 and out in the playoffs, so we can get a higher draft pick?". THAT in my opinion, makes you not a true fan.

Not saying you said those things, but i did see them in the game-day thread.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355873417' post='1269963']
True Fans criticize their team to other Ravens fans and defend those same players and coaches when some other team says anything bad. It's like being a brother; "Dude, Ed Reed is slacking" "Yeah he is". But when it's other team " watch your mouth, that's a hall of fame safety!"
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Lol, exactly. Ain't nobody allowed to talk about our boys but us.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]The only thing I'm tired of is the "fire so-and-so" discussions. If it were up to some people, we wouldn't see anyone on this roster here next year.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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I like all the replies, and in my best Mr. Burns all I can say is excellent.... :D

When I think about it true fans still wear their colors no matter what. Just for the record, I think if you're even wearing purple and black then you're in pretty good company to me. At least whenever I tailgate everyone is super friendly. Now I did go the the Eagles game this year, and their own fans were fighting each other...after they won, so talk about stupid. Anyways I digress....

I also don't think it's really fair to question someone's fanhood based on their comments, but I have also found it easy to do. I have done it before, and I am not totally proud of it in hindsight, I was just upset that i couldn't change their minds.

So yeah, all in all it's a lesson to learn that sometimes you just got to let it go. No sense of taking someone's comments personally. In fact some trolls are just dying to get a rise out of someone.
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I am so glad I read this whole thread. It made me realize as "A Raven's Fan" I should appreciate what this team has accomplished this year and in the past four.

I always take very much pride in wearing any purple and black, especially in the past few years when we have consistently proved many in the media wrong.

Win or lose the rest of the year it has been a bumpy ride, with Ray Lewis, Suggs , and Webb out of the picture I thought we were done. Somehow we have made it to the playoff's once again, and for that I am happy.

It has been nice at work , surrounded by Steeler's fans not hearing them most of the year, They all predicted last winter we would be in last place in the division by now after seeing our 2012 schedule.

So with that all I can say is I Love My Team, GO RAVENS!!!!

Desert
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A true fan sticks with his team through thick and thin. For example, I've been a Knicks fan for quite some time, even though they've been suspect at best ever since the Ewing era. A fan can criticize their team, but it should be constructive, not mindless banter like "This team is garbage: fire everybody!"
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Odd how fans who are optimistic are drinking the koolaide and pessimistic fans are realistic . and since when are the rules of this forum ever followed. ie 100's of threads turned into fire cam rants, now every thread is bench flacco.......i think the rules are a suggestion and nothing more . it takes all kinds even in the online world . flaccopoe got it right .
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A fan is a fan.

I can tell you thou when I saw players in the 4th QTR QUIT PLAYING. That was when it was time to leave.

If you have paid for Season tickets from day one and not CORP. bought. NOBODY has the right to judge your fandom.

When the players quit playing it is time to go. By the 5 min mark left in the 4th qtr they had all but just flat out quit. I know, they know, and the COACHES know it. Period.
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I am a fan with a different kind of personality. I want them to win and I am disappointed when they do not. At the same time I realize that these games represent players at work; it’s their job and is what they do to make a living.

Players put their future on the field in each and every game whether thru risk of injury, or risk of being cut or benched. So, I try to keep it real. These games have to mean more to players and coaches than to me. Still, I get disturbed when I see boneheaded mistakes repeated with a nonchalant approach. But, when or if I feel myself being more bothered than coaches and players by their actions, it’s a sign to me that it’s time for an attitude adjustment on my part.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1355910185' post='1270387']
A true fan sticks with his team through thick and thin. For example, I've been a Knicks fan for quite some time, even though they've been suspect at best ever since the Ewing era. A fan can criticize their team, but it should be constructive, not mindless banter like "This team is garbage: fire everybody!"
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I was a Colts fan and remember games where we would play the Jets and they outnumbered us and tried to run us out of our own stadium. Those were cold sad days indeed.
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A fan sits and watches their team play- good or bad. They do not boo their team or display middle fingers to their quarterback.
That to me is NOT a fan. That is an [not nice person].

I stick by my team good or bad. I enjoy the good A LOT more than the bad. But I still hang my jersey with pride after every game regardless of the outcome.
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[quote name='PurpleCorsair' timestamp='1355872307' post='1269925']
Quite the contrary. True fans are ones who stay at the blowout loss in the rain because they love their team. True fans can criticize or praise the Ravens without being irrationally fatalist or optimistic. True fans get upset because they know this team's potential and see it, week in and week out, fall well short of that potential.

I'd love to say we all love the Ravens, but when you see posters wishing for failure just to prove a point is where I personally start questioning their fandom.
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I agree with staying at a blowout in the rain. I cannot fathom the type of person who spends that much on a ticket and then doesnt stay for the whole game. Even if they are losing. As far as fatalistic or optimistic, that may just be that true fan's personality. Just because they are annoyingly opptomistic, or foolishly fatalistic doesn't mean they are not a true fan.
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[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1355937307' post='1270620']
[b]A fan sits and watches their team play- good or bad. They do not boo their team or display middle fingers to their quarterback.
That to me is NOT a fan. That is an [not nice person].[/b]

I stick by my team good or bad. I enjoy the good A LOT more than the bad. But I still hang my jersey with pride after every game regardless of the outcome.
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This!
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A true fan wears the jersey and hat....flies the car flags...does not take off the licence plates and decals when the team has had a bad game or a dismal season. A true fan supports the team color regardless of wins or losses. I see it all the time here with Raider and Charger fans "more so Charger fan". I see those car flags just a flyin the first few weeks then after a few losses they are back in the trunk of the car...that is not a real fan.
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