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Your take on Harbaugh's message of hope?

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Harbaugh just had a presser talking about keeping our heads toward the furture and not to "dwell on the past". This is in some aspects a good state of mind to have, but I still can not understand some of his other points he addressed.

He mentioned "what did we play 2 or 3 teams who are fighting for there chance to get into the playoffs?" something along those lines then he talks about having "hope" that things will work out for the better.

Yes John, we did play [b]3 [/b]teams fighting for their right to get into the playoffs but WE LOST ALL 3. This isnt fantasy football where you can just plug players into a lineup and "hope" that they do good. You have to coach them and guide them towards playing good, and give them a sense of urgency. Of coarse the players have to do their part though.

Harbaugh didnt mention any of his plans or motives going into a huge game against the Giants, he just said we should have hope that the team will do good and not to look back at te last 3 games we lost, and who the hell wants to look back at those ugly losses anyway I think its a no brainer that us fans want to move on and win next week. And Harbuagh speaks of hope but he said we just lost to 3 playoff contenders in a row [b][i]how are we going to win against the playoff contending Giants then????[/i][/b]

Harbaugh didnt sound very convincing and sounded quite feebel minded IMO. If it was me I would be honest and pull a Bellicheck and say that we played like crap plain and simple...Here's what we are going to do to win next week..... With his always feeble attitude and pourous clock managment issues I question him as a head coach at times...wouldnt go as far as saying he needs to fired but it gets annoying that he never downplays a loss he always has nothing but good things to say.

Personally I really didnt care much about the Broncos game, I knew we were going to get beat, expected a blowout and we atleast held them to under 40pts. I knew that with a pitt loss we would clinch the playoffs thats why we as fans should have been a little less concerned, or atleast that was just my own point of view. But next week will tell a lot if we lose next week...Im not sure there is much else to look forward to this year.
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The thing is, coachspeak is something every coach does in press conferences. There's very little content to be gained from pressers, so take everything with a grain of salt.

That said, I'm honestly not that worried. Though my optimism is in short supply, bear in mind that this same book is written with a few playoff teams every year: regular season struggles lead to postseason concerns. However, the same cliche is spewed annually: the playoffs are a different beast entirely.

We assume that past performances indicate future success, but the future is impossible to predict. We can prognisticate all we want but this team has shown us that they can turn it up a notch in the postseason -- just look at how they killed the Patriots in New England.
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I don't care one way or another when it comes to coach speak. He just needs to make adjustments when something isn't working.
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He is not Belichek, so why try to be. If he tried to be like Bill he would come off even phonier then some of the people here think he is and that's the quickest way to lose your team.

I heard a coach that owned his teams poor performance. What exactly did you want from him, a presser that talked about how bad things have been and how his team will unleash Hell? You wanted him to give a full description of what the team will do this week to prepare for the Giants?

There is still hope for the season, so why wouldn't he give that message. Even though it didn't happen the way they wanted, the team just clinched a playoff berth, you're one win a home away from Clinching the divison and securing a home playoff game, 3 of the 4 season goal they set are still within reach.

If this team was undefeated, Harbs wouldn't be talking about how great they are, he continue to say that there are things they can improve on. So why should he talk about all the negative things can't now. I think he said it best when he said they are a 9-5 team, because thats what the record says.
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I have no time for Harbaugh or his blathering. Whatever nonsense he's spewing in press conferences these days is of little value.
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[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1355812529' post='1268860']
The thing is, coachspeak is something every coach does in press conferences. There's very little content to be gained from pressers, so take everything with a grain of salt.

That said, I'm honestly not that worried. Though my optimism is in short supply, bear in mind that this same book is written with a few playoff teams every year: regular season struggles lead to postseason concerns. However, the same cliche is spewed annually: the playoffs are a different beast entirely.

We assume that past performances indicate future success, but the future is impossible to predict. We can prognisticate all we want but this team has shown us that they can turn it up a notch in the postseason -- just look at how they killed the Patriots in New England.
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Exactly. The frustrating thing about the Ravens is that they are a really good team and the play just isn't showing that right now. Pit and Was could have easily been wins. With all things being equal, but Tucker doesn't miss a kick in Pit and Cousins gets stopped on the 2 point conversion, the Ravens 11-3 right now. Does that give the Ravens any better chance of having success in the playoffs? No.

Hell the Packers went into the playoffs as the best team in the NFL last year and got bounced by the team that backed into the playoffs. When does a team need to be playing well to ensure playoff success? My answer is whenever they take the field in the playoffs.

People always wanna talk about a team catching fire at the right time or peaking too soon. That means nothing. If the Ravens come out and blow away the Giants and then have another impressive win on the road against the Bengals, with some injured players coming back, somebody will say, the Ravens are peaking at the right time. However if they turn around and lay an egg first game of the playoffs, what did it mean?

Then by the same token, the Ravens could beat a young Indy team in the WC round. Then probably go onto to the Texans team who will probably have homefield locked up next week and will rest starters in week 17. With a 1st round bye, that's a 2 week lay off, if the Texans come out sluggish and Ravens jump on them early, the Ravens will probably win because the Texans aren't a good come from behind team. Now the Ravens are right back in the AFC Championship Game, who's giving a second thought to how they finished the season at this point?
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1355814226' post='1268881']
I have no time for Harbaugh or his blathering. Whatever nonsense he's spewing in press conferences these days is of little value.
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Hasn't it always been that way?
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1355812855' post='1268861']
I don't care one way or another when it comes to coach speak. He just needs to make adjustments when something isn't working.
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You mean like firing the OC?
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1355817756' post='1268906']
You mean like firing the OC?
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Exactly, but he should have been fired 2 years ago.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1355819874' post='1268926']
Exactly, but he should have been fired 2 years ago.
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Very true. Better late than never though
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I like, Harbs, but an in your face coach mentality suits the team better, Marine Drill Sergant kinda coach. Agressive. Harbs at time isn't aggressive.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1355820185' post='1268930']
Very true. Better late than never though
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Yeah at least it's something. But thats still his biggest flaw, he's loyal to his guys to the point where it can backfire and hurt the team.
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He's never going to be as outwardly fiery as his brother or as outspoken as some of his coaching mentors when he talks to the media, but I think behind the scenes, he's still both of those things. I see him as a mini Tony Dungy, but with a tad more passion on the sidelines.
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typical coach speak. i was almost able to say everything he was going to say.

~Mili
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1355814226' post='1268881']
I have no time for Harbaugh or his blathering. Whatever nonsense he's spewing in press conferences these days is of little value.
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He might be the one on the *list if we don't win the division and/or get 1 and doned in the playoffs.
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I think he might be delusional. I know it is all coach speak but don't play us like we are stupid.

Truth is this is NOT a good football team. The offense has not improved at all. The defense has regressed to one of the poorest in the league. Even though we are still decent in the red zone we can not finish games. Even when we were healthy we were not a dominant defense. Teams exploit the middle of the field and our linebackers. We have not shut down any running game.

We managed to win some close games and kudos for them getting it done but the problems we have been complaining about are still there. The record just gave the team something to hide behind.

Well, they can no longer do that. This is week 16. There is no more time to "improve", "get better every week", "have better communication".

It is all the same crap we have been pointing out all season. TIme to own it Ravens. We all heard Ed Reed after the game. He owned it. Time for the coach to own it!
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Hope is based on things unseen.

Before Sunday, I'd hoped I'd never see a Ravens team have seven three-and-outs in a game.

The common thread among the best offenses in the NFL is that they never throw with 2 or fewer fast players on the field. The Ravens do this at least 70% of the time. I love Pitta, Boldin and especially Leach. However, on passing downs with a RB in the backfield, only one of them should be out there. You don't see the Packers, Patriots, 49ers, Saints, or Cowboys keeping their speed on the bench unless they are getting great blocking along the O-line and/or they are executing a designed play.
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You take anything Harbaugh says as a coach with a grain of salt. He is a politician in the NFL. He states of issues and endeavors that by luck he may achieve. Everyone in the NFL knows we are the luckiest team in the league this season where we should be less then 500 but we caught every break and our defense, special teams and Tucker have carried us through. Joe has been a coach riding on the defense and this year the defense is not able to carry the team so Joe needed to step up and he has not. I never listen to his talks as you know it is just crap to appease the fans. Wonder what he would do if we stopped supporting his less then stellar leadership.

Even though we are stuck with him and Flacco for some reason there is always a bright side and it finally will be shown to us just how average they are. This year the defense was not strong and He and Joe needed to carry the team and i know some users here say Joe does not have a lot of tools but in reality he does. It has been up to Flacco to win now and we will see just how far he can carry us. He might want to send Big Ben a Thank you card or something because he did not win his way into the Play offs. And now that Torrey is on the sideline hopefully not long we will get to see Joe at his best.

The numbers will probably look like this
Passer Rating around 40 to 45 %
2 turnovers per game
1 TD per game
3rd down conversions 30%

Now that is something to look forward to huh
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1355815556' post='1268890']
Exactly. The frustrating thing about the Ravens is that they are a really good team and the play just isn't showing that right now. Pit and Was could have easily been wins. With all things being equal, but Tucker doesn't miss a kick in Pit and Cousins gets stopped on the 2 point conversion, the Ravens 11-3 right now. Does that give the Ravens any better chance of having success in the playoffs? No.

Hell the Packers went into the playoffs as the best team in the NFL last year and got bounced by the team that backed into the playoffs. When does a team need to be playing well to ensure playoff success? My answer is whenever they take the field in the playoffs.

People always wanna talk about a team catching fire at the right time or peaking too soon. That means nothing. If the Ravens come out and blow away the Giants and then have another impressive win on the road against the Bengals, with some injured players coming back, somebody will say, the Ravens are peaking at the right time. However if they turn around and lay an egg first game of the playoffs, what did it mean?

Then by the same token, the Ravens could beat a young Indy team in the WC round. Then probably go onto to the Texans team who will probably have homefield locked up next week and will rest starters in week 17. With a 1st round bye, that's a 2 week lay off, if the Texans come out sluggish and Ravens jump on them early, the Ravens will probably win because the Texans aren't a good come from behind team. Now the Ravens are right back in the AFC Championship Game,[b] who's giving a second thought to how they finished the season at this point?[/b]
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Yep, media and fans only remember who is the ultimate winner in the end, so I hope our team wil bouce back and play with fire......
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If we can't beat 3 teams fighting for the playoffs, while we're in the position to clinch our division and be able to rest a banged up team down the strech, how do we expect to win a playoff game?
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I think Harbs is an honorable man and a coach that players respect. I personally don't want some fire and brimstone coach always yelling at players or airing out the team business to the media. I am confident that he is passionately coaching this team and they understand the urgency. He certainly is plenty vocal on the sidelines with the refs. He is not perfect....but aren't you glad you don't have a bunch of idiots at your work telling you how to do your job and how bad you are at it?? I find many folks on this board on the edge of ridiculous sometimes. This team is in the playoffs for the fifth straight time! We were a Lee Evans drop away from the SB last year! Do you think 3/4 of the fans around this country would like to trade teams....because I know they would! RAVENS NATION!!!
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1355815556' post='1268890']
Exactly. The frustrating thing about the Ravens is that they are a really good team and the play just isn't showing that right now. Pit and Was could have easily been wins. With all things being equal, but Tucker doesn't miss a kick in Pit and Cousins gets stopped on the 2 point conversion, the Ravens 11-3 right now. Does that give the Ravens any better chance of having success in the playoffs? No.

Hell the Packers went into the playoffs as the best team in the NFL last year and got bounced by the team that backed into the playoffs. When does a team need to be playing well to ensure playoff success? My answer is whenever they take the field in the playoffs.

People always wanna talk about a team catching fire at the right time or peaking too soon. That means nothing. If the Ravens come out and blow away the Giants and then have another impressive win on the road against the Bengals, with some injured players coming back, somebody will say, the Ravens are peaking at the right time. However if they turn around and lay an egg first game of the playoffs, what did it mean?

Then by the same token, the Ravens could beat a young Indy team in the WC round. Then probably go onto to the Texans team who will probably have homefield locked up next week and will rest starters in week 17. With a 1st round bye, that's a 2 week lay off, if the Texans come out sluggish and Ravens jump on them early, the Ravens will probably win because the Texans aren't a good come from behind team. Now the Ravens are right back in the AFC Championship Game, who's giving a second thought to how they finished the season at this point?
[/quote]I absolutely agree with this.

Too bad this logic isn't commonplace in sports fandom. Too many people that just take what is reads to them by the talking heads and go with that.

Heck half our fanbase is made up of "knee-jerk" reactors that happen to last more than a typical knee-jerk would. :lol:
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The other team is always great and they had a fantastic game.

I'm ready to buy a jersey and tickets for one of these fantastic teams for awhile until this nonsense gets straightened out around here.
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1355874676' post='1269996']
I absolutely agree with this.

Too bad this logic isn't commonplace in sports fandom. Too many people that just take what is reads to them by the talking heads and go with that.

Heck half our fanbase is made up of "knee-jerk" reactors that happen to last more than a typical knee-jerk would. :lol:
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Yea then they bash guys like Harbs and Ozzie for not being knee-jerk. This franchise has done some great things because Ozzie isn't a knee-jerk reaction guy. Does it mean sometimes this team doesn't address positions of need? Yea, but for the most part staying patient has worked well.

That is exactly what Harbs does. So it sometimes lead to his team becoming complacent, because they have the feeling that regardless of what goes wrong, everything will work out? Yea, but for the most part that works. People say Harbs has rode the Defense to all his success, forgive me for mocking a 10 year old girl, but duh!!! All coaches ride their stud players to success and they develop the role players to build up the entire team.

You don't think a guy like Tomlin rode a already established Steelers team. He didn't have to develop a QB or change a defense, just don't screw it up.

Really take a close look at the Pats draft classes over the years. Most of them suck, yet Bellechik is praised for his drafting, why? Because he has Brady. That team is nowhere as great without Brady and I actually feel Bill is a great coach.

When Bill Parcels has talent he wins, when he doesn't he's run out of town. So why is Harbs any different. Imo the greatest coaches are really good facilitators of men. You gotta have the pluse of your team, know when to push, and when to step back. When to grab a young guy like Ellerbe up in the preseason and say that's not how we do things. But also let a vet like McKinnie know that he's not happy.

It's time for Harbs to do exactly what he's doing. Let his team know that every goal they had to start the season is still reachable, but the recent play won't get it done.

2 years ago the Jets backed into the playoffs and even with a loss, Rex pounded his chest about making the playoffs. If that was Harbs, some people hear would have killed him. However the same people would love Rex as the head coach.
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Harbaugh is a walking hot windbag. I can't stand to hear his generic unmoving speeches after these losses. He's so disingenuous. I see what everyone meant now about not having the guts to make necessary change. Boy we got the name right just picked the wrong one.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1355856617' post='1269450']
If we can't beat 3 teams fighting for the playoffs, while we're in the position to clinch our division and be able to rest a banged up team down the strech, how do we expect to win a playoff game?
[/quote]Great point. i thought everyone was sold on Harbaugh. I can't stand the guy.
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355844606' post='1269114']
typical coach speak. i was almost able to say everything he was going to say.

~Mili
[/quote]Don't you get tired of this? Why not play back ups in blow out games? It's just the little things that irk me.
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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1356071718' post='1272422']
Don't you get tired of this? [b]Why not play back ups in blow out games?[/b] It's just the little things that irk me.
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Because they are starting for us...
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[quote name='Bobby' timestamp='1355865601' post='1269726']
I think Harbs is an honorable man and a coach that players respect. I personally don't want some fire and brimstone coach always yelling at players or airing out the team business to the media. I am confident that he is passionately coaching this team and they understand the urgency. He certainly is plenty vocal on the sidelines with the refs. He is not perfect....but aren't you glad you don't have a bunch of idiots at your work telling you how to do your job and how bad you are at it?? I find many folks on this board on the edge of ridiculous sometimes. This team is in the playoffs for the fifth straight time! We were a Lee Evans drop away from the SB last year! Do you think 3/4 of the fans around this country would like to trade teams....because I know they would! RAVENS NATION!!!
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this. I've always had nothing but respect (and sometimes a little frustration, but mostly respect) for Harbs.
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[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1355846615' post='1269143']
I think he might be delusional. I know it is all coach speak but don't play us like we are stupid.

[i]I think calling Harbaugh delusional is a little far fetched. Coach speak is what it is, that's why I rarely even watch those things. They aren't going to spill any info that you don't already know or could guess with sheer common sense. [/i]

Truth is this is NOT a good football team. The offense has not improved at all. The defense has regressed to one of the poorest in the league. Even though we are still decent in the red zone we can not finish games. Even when we were healthy we were not a dominant defense. Teams exploit the middle of the field and our linebackers. We have not shut down any running gam[i]e[/i][i] [/i]

[i] The Defense has not been healthy since Suggs got hurt last spring. Also two big pieces of our run defense left town after last year. Cory Redding and JJ. I stressed that we had to find a way to keep one if not both of them if we didn't want our defense to regress. Too many injuries, too many first time starters.[/i][i]On Offense, I'll agree with you. We didn't address the writing that was on the wall..We needed answers on the Oline, not more questions. I was actually astonished that we didn't address really anything outside of signing Williams, and drafting Osemele. Our starting LT is barely passable and should ONLY be at RT where he is decent. Our Center is 60 years old and gets bullied by large 3-4 DT's. Our starting RG/ RT is a rookie, Yanda is a beast but is hurt.. then there's Jah Reid who is a project player pressed into service out of desparation and Bobbie Williams who was merely the best FA option out there. You can't run the Ravens style of offense without being able to MOVE the ball, and then give the QB enough time to find deep targets after that. Speaking of Flacco, he just needs to play better. Period. Then there's the WR's. They just still struggle to get open even though we have two speedsters now, David Reed made a nice catch last week..maybe he gets another chance or two moving forward. Nice to see Doss getting more and more time, he could be next in line to be the Raven's go to possession receiver. [/i]

We managed to win some close games and kudos for them getting it done but the problems we have been complaining about are still there. The record just gave the team something to hide behind.



Well, they can no longer do that. This is week 16. There is no more time to "improve", "get better every week", "have better communication".

It is all the same crap we have been pointing out all season. TIme to own it Ravens. We all heard Ed Reed after the game. He owned it. Time for the coach to own it!
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I just don't see where Harbaugh isn't owning the losing streak and current problems. All he's saying is that you can either feel bad for yourself and keep apologizing for what has already happened, or you can shake it off..and put everything you've got into figuring this thing out and winning the last two games we have.
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